Smashing Pumpkin Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I know they ban for a number of things, I meant that I would mod in a HDD if I knew that they would never ban for that in the future. I'm sure they would be bothered, not that I blame MS, but they ban over other issues. And any good company would try to put people off modding in a HDD even if it just ate into their profits a little. Rogue modders like ourselves may not think it's fair but at the end of the day, it's just business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 Well they could've shipped every 360 with a hard drive casing (in the cores case have no hard drive in it), and allowed you to use your own 3rd party hard drives. That would've solved things if hard drives are really the most expensive component, and made upgrading easy, but that's a whole other argument we'll just need to sweep under...:p Thank goodness we can mod our own hard drives in though (Y) Arcade owners with some basic computer skills when they want to upgrade should just snatch a 20GB for cheap, then buy a 120GB drive. I helped my friend put a 120GB in his 360 after I done it to mine, worked fine. I just hope MS never find a way to ban consoles for modded hard drives :laugh: Don't think it's possible though... They ban consoles for modification of the DVD firmware.While modding a hard drive into your 360 isn't as badly looked upon as using custom firmware (seeing as it's only use is for pirated games), it's still modification of MS hardware which they can ban your console for under the EULA I believe. However as I said, I don't think it should ever be possible to trace modded hard drives, nor do I think they'd care that much, even although it's eating into their profits a little. Oh...trust me, it's VERY easy for Microsoft to detect the modified Hard Drives. Every Hard Drive has a "drive signature" on it, in fact every 360 and every gamertag has one as well and all content downloaded can be locked to one or more of these signatures (So Arcade games can be locked to a console, saves can be locked to a profile and Installed 360 images are locked to a Hard Drive afaik). In other words, Microsoft easily knows which HDDs are "fake" ones because they all show up on Live with the same signature, but they simply have no reason to ban them. It's not really costing them a huge amount of money (If they ban the console, the user isn't likely to buy a replacement, legit, HDD and of course, not likely to buy more games), plus it means they'll be more likely to download more from the Marketplace. Plus, I'm not even sure it'd be legally sound for them to ban the console - the console itself has not been modified, just the Hard Drive. The most they could do, without really facing potential legal trouble, is disable the Hard Drive somehow but that still wouldn't really make them any more money, it'd just **** off the user. Now, if someone finds a way of using these modified drives (And only the modified drives) to pirate content, then I'd expect a massive ban wave sooner or later, but since that content is locked to either a Profile or a Console, it's not likely to happen (And the tools used to read the modified hard drives can also read legit ones, so if such a thing were possible, the modified drives would not be any different). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 4, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted January 4, 2009 Yeah good point, the one signature has basically been passed around the whole internet :laugh: I'd actually want to see the chaos banning consoles due to modifying the hard drive would cause, then rewind back in time. It would be funny :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 I doubt there'd be much "Chaos" at all, I think less people have modified Hard Drives than modified DVD drives and the ban waves there haven't really caused much of an uproar...for legit users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 4, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted January 4, 2009 I doubt there'd be much "Chaos" at all, I think less people have modified Hard Drives than modified DVD drives and the ban waves there haven't really caused much of an uproar...for legit users. Many legit owners mod their hard drives though. 99.9% of people who modify their DVD firmware do it to play copies - So what can they really have an uproar about!? They're pirates :laugh: Complaining you've been banned for modifying your DVD firmware just makes you look like a douche. However if legit peoples consoles ever got banned for the hard drive, you'd have an army of "but I buy all my games" comments. I also believe that modding in your hard drive won't be as popular as DVD firmware modifying but it's sure gotta be quite popular amongst the internet crowds. You don't void the warranty on your 360, and you save quite a bit of money. Look at how much interest the one or two big topics in here about it got! Especially when NXE installs hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 4, 2009 I helped my friend put a 120GB in his 360 after I done it to mine, worked fine. If Soniqstyle is reading still..."I told you so!" Friends talk about this sort of stuff and if they can't do it themselves they will ask someone they know to do it for them :yes: Thank you AB for help proving my point :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wow this topic quickly went off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) No no no no no, I never said the decision not to include a Hard Drive in the Arcade was purely to reduce the cost of the console at that point, what I said (or rather, what I meant to say) was that it was decided so that the cost of the console could more easily be reduced over time.Yeah sorry, I know you didn't say that I was just saying generally.Anyway as before I'd imagine next gen the hard disk will be in EVERY xbox and to combat costs after time they will move from a mechanical to a solid state drive mid way into the life of the console if and when it becomes more cost effective to do so. With MS placing more emphasis on DLC than it was 2-3 years from now and by all accounts we can assume they will not want that trend to stop, I'd say it's looking good for HDD's in all consoles. Over the same period even more people will be in a position to hook the console up to Live also. What I also would LOVE for the XBox/Live to support for the 720 in regards to storage would be something akin to SteamWorks where users can save games remotely and retrieve save data when logging into another console. Would be a nice thing to have even if they make it a gold subscriber feature. Edited January 5, 2009 by Smigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiracyX Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 When the 360 first launched and they split the Console to either Core or Premium i got very worried if that was the right move. Initially i think the Core was a joke as it had no Memory card to save games so you had to spend extra just to save or you could just of got the Premium (which was ?70 extra as i recall) and you got the HDD. When i got my first 360 i choose the Pro obviously due to Live, DLC and saving games. We now have the Arcade console as the low end model which is a much better deal since you get the Wireless controller and a 256MB memory card to save games without buying extra items so its ready to go and use. I can't really say the Arcade is a waste since my personal usage and opinion will always lead me to the best model there is to offer purely on the way i play. Its like people will settle for nothing less than the best. That said, I brought my sister a Arcade unit for Christmas for playing games, watching DVDs/DivX etc and since she will never touch Live, i thought it was the best option. I would class her as very casual and it seems to be the best choice i made for her and she is loving it. Most games are less than 1-2MB and i installed the NXE no problems with just over 100MB left for saves with NXE on it. If it wasn't for my love for Live or DLC, I would settle for the Arcade aswell since being the cheapest option to just play games, which is the primary mission the 360 does. It's not as if the games run all that much better with the HDD since the DVD drive is pretty fast anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coresx Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I thought it was a joke at first and didn't like going backwards from the first Xbox with no hard drive in every SKU but it happened so lets just get on with it. Now, the Core when it first appeared was a total waste. Arcade improved it tremendously and makes it a viable option. For me, I would never consider buying it until now because it didn't come with extras like the headset, hard drive which it still doesn't but Microsoft released the Xbox Live Starter Pack which comes with a 60Gb hard drive and headset. Brilliant, just like that, you have a Pro. I would buy an Arcade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addc182 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Theres nothing wrong with the machines :o. Mines only broken once since the console was released, which is about the same as my PS2s lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKer Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't think it is a scam - I know a few people who could barely afford the arcade. However, I couldn't live without the 'Install to hard disk' option now, playing games without any noise from the drive makes my 'box 100% better, and the quicker loading times are a bonus. Now, if I could only have more than 120 GB storage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flash Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I bought an arcade about four days ago with the 60gb live starter kit. I could have bought the pro if I wanted to, but Im saving money by getting an ethernet cable, headset and 3 months xbox live Gold bundled in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argote Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 couldn't care less about the hard drive or network card the main thing that ****es people off is the lack of hdmi support :p we had to stick with poor resolution from the xbox because we didn't have microsoft overpriced cable to convert to hdmi where as the premium ones do have a hdmi port (which we have spare cables for) and don't cost as much as microsoft like to sell theirs for...so yeah scam for the misinformed Umm the Arcade DOES have an HDMI port, also, you can play on live with a memory card it's a perfectly usable gaming platform. The X360 Core did suck as that did not have an HDMI port and came with a 64mb card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 The X360 Core did suck as that did not have an HDMI port and came with a 64mb card. As far as I am aware, the core did not come with a memory card, you had to buy one separately. That's pretty ****ty, but every console from the last generation (With the exception of the Xbox, I suppose) worked exactly the same way, so it's nothing new and I don't get why MS got such a bad rep for it, but there you go. And the "premium" 360 did not have an HDMI port at the time, either, it was only around when Microsoft released the Arcade that the HDMI port became standard (I think there may have even been the odd arcade without one, but I'm not sure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 14, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 14, 2009 HDMI wasn't introduced to the Arcade and Pros until roughly September/October 2007, so that was around the same time as the Arcade yeah. I think there may even have been a slight gap between when the Arcade had HDMI and the Pro didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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