.KICK Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Been reading the official forums, apparently the lag is still there! It can corrupt your save and the shotgun still has extreme delay. But I'll see how it is later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Hmm, I'm glad they added in all those extra fixes but the only one I ever saw in say 10 matches was the shield glitch but that would only be about 1 round. Fixing issues that rarely happen are great, just making it air tight, but not seeing how it is warranted as broken. By that logic, Gears 1 was also broken (as I explain below). Definitely had fun before, so I will probably have even more now. Gears 1 had a pretty substantial update with similar fixes but I figured that this was coming regardless of what people said (broken or not). The cover system adds a whole lot of ambiguity not found in Halo/COD which is a nightmare for coders. Kick not sure how you can argue the gameplay factor, because this game is no doubt harder. There is a reason you don't see more cover based games, but you refuse to debate that. Edit: Just looked back and noticed something. In this post there was one person from California that said they were having slow problems, but the only other people that really replied were Drunkn, .Kick, etc. all from Europe. I know Europeans normally get by ok in most XBL games, but there are usually a decent number of people from that region playing because they were were mainstream games (H3/COD). I wonder what the sales figures for England/Europe for Gears is. If they are lower, people probably have trouble finding local players if they are complaining about the lag. I'm not saying there is any direct correlation, but just took a quick look through the post and noticed that. Edited January 21, 2009 by Mystic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2009 Honestly I don't know what tree you are barking up here. The gameplay doesn't matter, Gears 1 was on top for a year regardless of the difficulty and there was other titles like COD2 & 3 / Rainbow Six out on the market. So your arguement really is falling flat on its face here. The reason its 4th is because of the damn flaws, deal with it. If Epic has made a good enough effort with this patch also, you can be sure that the population will rise for Gears 2 and we could see it at #3 or #2 in the coming weeks. I suppose it would just be coincidence eh? Nothing at all to do with the patch.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 Honestly I don't know what tree you are barking up here. The gameplay doesn't matter, Gears 1 was on top for a year regardless of the difficulty and there was other titles like COD2 & 3 / Rainbow Six out on the market. So your arguement really is falling flat on its face here. The reason its 4th is because of the damn flaws, deal with it.If Epic has made a good enough effort with this patch also, you can be sure that the population will rise for Gears 2 and we could see it at #3 or #2 in the coming weeks. I suppose it would just be coincidence eh? Nothing at all to do with the patch.. Because Rainbow Six had the staying power of Gears? There was nothing out at the time and Halo still dominated it because it was hands down easier. Since you don't really play the game, I wouldn't expect you to hear complains from friends about how good people are. We have played COD4 together, we all know how much easier it is for everybody. Besides that, games take twice as long on Gears. For example, I could get in almost two full matches on COD before I'm done with one match on Gears. Apparently like you said, that doesn't matter. Larger multiplayer types (more than 5 people) also have an option that isn't there for Gears. Just not sure how you can argue against some of these points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 :rofl: I love how no one noticed almost all of the "broken" parts of the game, but now that Epic fixed them everyone takes note since it helps their point. Have you people ever seen a Blizzard patch? You wouldn't know 99.9% of the "broken" parts even existed. :laugh: Oh, Neowin, you continue to bring me amusement at the very least :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm all but ready to give up talking about this with you Mystic, you really have your head in the sand over it. The difficulty of Gears 1 is not turning people away, just like it's not the reason people aren't playing Gears 2. We're talking about the end of 2006 and 3/4's of 2007 when Gears of War 1 was out. There was plenty of games out in that period which could have easily taken all the popularity away from it by your definition of "easier" games. I've already listed Call of duty 2 (released in 2005) and Call of Duty 3 (released in 2006), both those games meet your arguement criteria of "large" teams and longer matches. Gears 1 dominated both of them for well over a year until Halo 3 came out. Everybody rushed to Halo 3 because it was a hugely anticpated game, not because it was "easier". People had been waiting for the game for 3 years ffs. Then there was Call of Duty 4 which took the top spot because it was another highly anticipated game, arguably harder than Gears 1 and Halo 3 when you can die with one shot in hardcore game types (something I remember you b****ing about the past month or so when we were arranging games for Insomniacs clan). I'm not saying Gears isn't a difficult game to master, in some ways it is, because it's so much different from the rest of the competition, what I am saying is the reason its not #1 on MN is because of the flaws. It's not because the game is harder than the competition, the very fact it shot straight to #1 in 2006 should be evidence enough to rubbish that claim. People had never played it before and it managed to keep the top spot for nearly a year. It would be a completely different story if it dropped to #4 in 2006 because people found it too hard. But it didn't. I'm done with this arguement though, it's quite clear the flaws are the reason people aren't playing the game, if you want to believe otherwise go on ahead. I bet we will see it climb at least one position in the coming weeks, and like I said, it'll be because of this patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Munky, all due respect, but a game having less players does nothing to prove that it has problems or is anything like that. Your argument is entirely qualitative, just as Mystic's is. My only beef was that NONE of you mentioned ALMOST ANY of these bugs, but now that you see they were there you have a problem with them. My God man, every game has bugs. The fact that Epic fixed all of them and is still fixing all of them should make you happy, not upset. I also never said the game didn't have flaws. I said that I, PERSONALLY, only take 2 minutes to get into a game. Every single game on the face of the earth is flawed in some way. I just don't have the same problems as you. Excuse me, Munky, for not lying to you and telling you I had problems I did not :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2009 What the heck are you babbling on about? I have been talking about these glitches for months with people from Neowin, in particular .Kick with regards to GoW2. I've done the same with Call of Duty 5 and Habnad. I'm sorry I didn't bring our conversation to Neowin everytime it came up, was I supposed to do that? God damn...talk about clutching at straws Ayepecks. ps: ftr, I am happy it's fixed, hence why I have arranged to play Gears 2 later tonight with Robpears from NW (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 The expression is grasping at straws, and I'm doing no such thing. The recent posts in this thread are taking note of the list of fixes, but you have only mentioned a few specifically -- the wall glitches, I believe. Which is ironic, because by your own admission you don't even play the game to have experienced absolutely any of it, so even if it did "break" the game as you claim, you wouldn't know! If anything, it is you who is grasping at straws with statements like calling the game broke and using things you've never even seen happen as justification. As for the match time -- that has been your biggest complaint of all against Gears 2, no? And as I said, I haven't had those issues since the last patch. I'm not going to lie to you and tell you I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2009 I said I haven't played the game since November, that doesn't mean I never witnessed any of the glitches. In fact I played it for almost the entire month before getting tired of finding matches before they either closed or were filled with glitching. One of the very first matches I played there was glitching! Also, I've heard clutching and grasping being used in that phrase, so yeah, what does it matter :) Ayepecks, you're asking me to remember almost 3 months worth of conversations I've had over MSN with NW members. I'm not about to do that and waste my time. If you really want to believe we didn't know of these porblems before the patch details were released, then go ahead, knock yourself out (Y) I'm not a liar and there is plenty of members on here, who I had the conversations with, that can back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 Drunkn I'm sad to hear you must be some sort of glitch magnent. Out of all those glitches I have only seen two actually used. Like I posted before even out of 10 matches yesterday, one round in one match a guy used the shield glitch. You see people rampantly glitching the first week just to try it, but after that I can't say it has been like your experience for me. I'm not saying its like that for everybody so don't jump me again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 The update is awesome. My search times still stayed the same (around a minute). We were having such a good time that my friend even tried to use the shield glitch to see if it was really fixed, and it actually is. You pick up the shield and a two handed weapon but the second you fire, the shield drops, making the glitch effectively useless. Really had a fun time today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameOverRob Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 The update is bullcarp is fixed jack, there is still loads of problems and the lag is pretty much unbearable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 The update is bullcarp is fixed jack, there is still loads of problems and the lag is pretty much unbearable! Were you playing against Americans? What kind of connection are you on? Let me know when you and Drunkn are getting on next and we can go as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2009 On our team was 5 brits, no idea about the other team. It doesn't excuse the problems if they were American, especially when most subscribers to XBL are from America, we're going to play them more often than anyone else typically. I'm on 8MB ADSL. Not that my connection is the problem either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.KICK Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Were you playing against Americans? What kind of connection are you on?Let me know when you and Drunkn are getting on next and we can go as a group. That should have no issues with it. Simply put the lag is still there but I expected it to be. They have not changed anything about the netcode or sorted out the selection of who is host etc. They only fixed glitches and exploits and changed some of the gameplay. Other games can manage games across the pond pretty fine! So Gears can't use that excuse. But I was just playing with a bunch of British people and it still lagged! Not as much though I have to say but it is still there :( They really really need to remove the start up time at the beginning of the match, I want to just play, not wait 30 seconds. The same goes for it at the end, I don't want to hang around for 30 seconds so I can let it register the game stats and finish the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 On our team was 5 brits, no idea about the other team. It doesn't excuse the problems if they were American, especially when most subscribers to XBL are from America, we're going to play them more often than anyone else typically.I'm on 8MB ADSL. Not that my connection is the problem either.. Well let me know next time you guys are on, I want to see this first hand. Please don't get mad, I don't want to start anything again since we got everything to a simmer. I just want to see if I can get a taste of what you guys mean. Honestly, lag has been less of a problem then glitching, and glitching as I mentioned before has been getting scarce. +.KICK: Isn't the inital loading up time for the graphics and destructible environment not seen in Halo/COD? That was always my guess along to make sure everybody has a fair shot at starting the game. Otherwise Epic would get yelled at for not letting everybody connect before starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2009 I don't know why you can't just take my word for it? Do you really think I have nothing better to do than lie on NW? Within 10 seconds of the first round tonight I was lagging. But fine, if you want to experience it with us, you're welcome to. I'm giving the game another chance tomorrow before I'm done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 21, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 21, 2009 I don't know why you can't just take my word for it? Do you really think I have nothing better to do than lie on NW? Within 10 seconds of the first round tonight I was lagging.But fine, if you want to experience it with us, you're welcome to. I'm giving the game another chance tomorrow before I'm done with it. Sounds good, just let me know. When you say lag, how severe do you mean? I know some people who say it lags because "they shot somebody" but watching them shoot, they shot everything but the person. :p One time though one I did have a game lag, my team's movements were so far behind the other team, we got killed trying to get out of our base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habnad Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Let me know when you're both going to be on. I'll join in as well, and be a third set of eyes for this lag issue. I've played enough MP games with Munky/EU/UK guys to know if/when they lag out or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well Munky, we're just going to have to agree to disagree again (Y) You say it's broken, I say there are some minor problems (referring to before this patch), but I never had any major problems like you seem to be having. I'm not going to lie and tell you I think it's broken, and you're not going to lie and tell me you think it isn't. But here's the thing: not everyone is in the same situation. You can insist it's broken and I can insist it's not, but it comes down to different experiences. I have yet to encounter any major glitching or anything like that. Before the first patch I think I was the most adamant person here about the match finding times, but since the patch I've had no issues. I still don't like the lack of a server finding option, but that's a personal preference and most games now do a similar system to what Gears of War 2 and Halo 3 have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_c_b Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I have to say the patch resovled my matchmaking lag, hadn't really experience too many other issues with the very limited amount I have played so far. I'm not very good, but I don't see much in the way of severe bugs or glitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 I've been playing online the past 4 hours or so and the speed is amazing. It takes me less than a minute to find a party and matches, and I have yet to experience even the slightest bit of lag... and, again, I'm at my dorm which doesn't have the best connection. It's wireless, too, so not as fast as wired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted January 22, 2009 MVC Share Posted January 22, 2009 I've been playing online the past 4 hours or so and the speed is amazing. It takes me less than a minute to find a party and matches, and I have yet to experience even the slightest bit of lag... and, again, I'm at my dorm which doesn't have the best connection. It's wireless, too, so not as fast as wired. I only got in two hours total today, but my friend played on my 360 for about an hour, he and I echo your sentiments. Had a pretty fun time today, we will have to get some Neowin people together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheee Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I did test out the new patch, had a little lag, some minor jerking. It was much faster to find a match, before I could wait upto 5 minutes or so if I was lucky, now I kind of blinked and before I knew it I had a match. I am not sure if I like the MP of Gears yet, I gave Gears 1 a go, and hadnt really got to play MP of Gears 2, but I want to give it a go at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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