Star Ratings need to go


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I use the star ratings as they're intended. An interesting or correct thread usually gets 5, a stupid or blatantly incorrect thread gets a 1.

Too bad the morons don't.

Honestly, just learn to ignore it. I think the sarcastic tone of someone up the Neowin ladder is more concerning.

But I guess there are no rules against a-holes.

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Joel,

You really dont seem to be helping matters with your attitude. In fact, it seems near on trolling!

Most people would say, if you cant bring anything constructive to the actual discussion at hand, then dont post at all. Innstead you seem to be trying to stir up negative emotions, by openly being rude to and about members.

Anyway, im sure i will get told again that im also trolling and am also steering the topic offcourse, even though, i am actually stating the obvious, which it seems others agree with.

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Honestly, just learn to ignore it. I think the sarcastic tone of someone up the Neowin ladder is more concerning.

But I guess there are no rules against a-holes.

Mate, have some faith. The guys at the top on Neowin are good guys and im sure will do their most to ensure their staff dont step out of line.

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So much hard work goes into neowin by the staff for free, but down rating a good written article on the main site for no valid reason seems like a slap to the face for the news writers. That drives me nuts.

Down rating user members is just stupid unless there a valid reason, but who cares in the end? All that matters is you show the community of neowin what you can contribute. That is more important then your own user ratings and will get you respect from the more mature members here.

As for topic ratings, I really never pay attention and find it entertaining to see them down rated. In the end I never really base any topic just on some rating. If i see a topic that interests me I will view it.

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So much hard work goes into neowin by the staff for free, but down rating a good written article on the main site for no valid reason seems like a slap to the face for the news writers. That drives me nuts.

Down rating user members is just stupid unless there a valid reason, but who cares in the end? All that matters is you show the community of neowin what you can contribute. That is more important then your own user ratings and will get you respect from the more mature members here.

As for topic ratings, I really never pay attention and find it entertaining to see them down rated. In the end I never really base any topic just on some rating. If i see a topic that interests me I will view it.

Thats the thing people need to remember also, each person has different likes and dislikes. Something someone would find really interesting, the next person would find boring and pointless, so the ratings are somewhat flawed.

However, if people want to use them as a guide, then so be it, i just dont feel that there is a need to complain about them.

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Because, the member base is, at heart, a bunch of whiners. "Give us ratings, but if people use them, we'll complain it's abuse." Seriously? What a crock. People bitched for this stuff and now complain that people are using it in a manner they don't like. Find a real problem in this forum, and I'll be so happy to help you. This section has become less about suggestions and more about making the smallest thing for a few members the next great debate.

You find it sarcastic; I find it enlightening. No one can actually answer what the ratings do that make them feel so strongly. But we'd better change them, before someone's feelings get hurt.

Woah, cmon dude.

You burnt out with Neowin or something?

I know you guys put up with a lot of crap, but seriously that kind of managerial - member relationship bashing is not going to go down well [there ARE lots of great members on the board]. You're quite a snappy guy at times Joel, sometimes it's funny, other times it's just stupid and/or borderline OTT.

If administration/moderation has made a decision on star ratings, please just lock these topics rather than letting them spring up and ravage on for 5-6-7 pages. You have the power to close topics in this section, no? It's clear nothing is planned to change, would be wise to start telling members that convincingly and locking topics so as the people that don't already get the drift, do.

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Woah, cmon dude.

You burnt out with Neowin or something?

I know you guys put up with a lot of crap, but seriously that kind of managerial - member relationship bashing is not going to go down well [there ARE lots of great members on the board]. You're quite a snappy guy at times Joel, sometimes it's funny, other times it's just stupid and/or borderline OTT.

If administration/moderation has made a decision on star ratings, please just lock these topics rather than letting them spring up and ravage on for 5-6-7 pages. You have the power to close topics in this section, no?

He is a super, so he has the power. Its almost like he is enjoying upseting the general member base or something. None the less, i think discussion of Joel's manorism has been done now..

Ontopic anyone? :p

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It's only when someone rates an article that I've spent a good 30 minutes on at least a 1/5, that I feel a little bit disheartened.

My profile rating has gone from 4, down to 2, since becoming a news poster, but I could care less. Could be because I now show my age without giving a damn, could be because all my articles are terrible, could be anything - doesn't bother me what other people think anymore.

All in all, I'm not bothered on the ratings thing. If it goes, I'll be pleased, if it stays, it will keep (some of) the members happy.

And of course, what I say here is just my own opinion.

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I appologise on behalf of Neowin for Joel's rash comments.

Neowin has a code of conduct for its staff that we take very seriously. On this occasion Joel fell below that level, and for that im sure he will issue his own personal appolgies to the members concerned.

As for ratings, I'm happy to bring this issue up with the other staff and dev team and see if there is anything that can be done, or whether it should be removed.

Dan

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I appologise on behalf of Neowin for Joel's rash comments.

Neowin has a code of conduct for its staff that we take very seriously. On this occasion Joel fell below that level, and for that im sure he will issue his own personal appolgies to the members concerned.

As for ratings, I'm happy to bring this issue up with the other staff and dev team and see if there is anything that can be done, or whether it should be removed.

Dan

Good to see the admins are still working toward keeping Neowin a friendly place (Y) You may want to check some of the other threads in this area for his comments. Some rather sarcastic ones there also.

To be honest, i wouldnt worry about removing the stars, you would upset another group of people then. Maybe just pina closed thread saying that if you dont like the stars.. ignore them... if you like the stars... use them... dont however create threads moaning about them, as its been endlessly discussed with no outcome.

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For what it's worth, Joel is right. Not the best phrasing in the world but he's right. We (the members) ask for something, which then doesn't work like we hoped it would, and so we want rid of it. The star ratings might as well stay, if it can be shown that people don't read 1 star topics because they are rated 1 star (and not because they are worthy of said rating) then get rid of the system totally. I can imagine trying to 'police' the ratings would be too much work for not a lot of point.

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even though i usally don't pay attention, its plain annoying, i hate random bored people walking by, just rating randomly, most people who rate probaly don't even enter the topic.

maybe make like 10 sec in the topic before you can rate? and no rating from outside, that is just PLAIN STUPID, i think either take rating, or make it availble to rate from inside the post.

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For what it's worth, Joel is right. Not the best phrasing in the world but he's right. We (the members) ask for something, which then doesn't work like we hoped it would, and so we want rid of it. The star ratings might as well stay, if it can be shown that people don't read 1 star topics because they are rated 1 star (and not because they are worthy of said rating) then get rid of the system totally. I can imagine trying to 'police' the ratings would be too much work for not a lot of point.

Thats just it though. Its been discussed time and time again and nothing ever came of it, so im sure it would be best off just closing the threads that are created relating to this surely?

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even though i usally don't pay attention, its plain annoying, i hate random bored people walking by, just rating randomly, most people who rate probaly don't even enter the topic.

maybe make like 10 sec in the topic before you can rate? and no rating from outside, that is just PLAIN STUPID, i think either take rating, or make it availble to rate from inside the post.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think the only way to rate a topic is to be in the topic. You can't rate it from the board index.

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You know, ultimately if you guys don't agree with a thread rating...rate it differently. You don't them useful, then ignore them. I like them...I tend to agree that 5-star topics deserve 5 stars. If something is rated a one, rate a five and go from there.

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Guys, Joel's comment wasn't really that bad. I think everyone's just overreacting.

Yes mate it was an over reaction alone, however, it was a combination of that comment mixed with the other more sarcastic and trolling comments that made it more of an issue.

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Earlier in the thread I said I didn't like the stars or the ratings on both profiles and threads, but now I'd just like to point out that I've changed my mind and really don't care about them.

They can be a good indicator and as Triliaeris said, if you don't agree with a rating, you can always rate it to what you think it should be. If every member who uses the ratings did that, it would reflect what the thread/member deserves much more than it would otherwise.

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Something I'd like to see: "rating history"

  • Click on my rating to see who rated me one way or the other.
  • Click on a forum thread to see who rated it up or down.
  • Somewhere in the profile show the frequency of ratings of each type given

As a rule the people that take enough time to rate a topic are going to have a strong opinion one way or the other so I think simplifying the ratings from a "1-5 stars" to a digg-style "thumbs up/down" might work.

Somewhatrelated: where the heck is my star rating (or any other user for that mattter)?

The little ones under my name are based on post-count (6.gif).

I'm assuming I have a personal star rating like form threads; is it buried in my profile

somewhere, and if so: who cares? Nobody sees it except for somebody that:

  • 1) Thinks I'm an asshat and is going there to rate me 1 star
    2) Thinks I'm god's balls and is going there to rate me 5 stars.

I can't imagine a realistic situation where somebody stops reading a post, goes to check my

personal rating, decides based on that arbitrary number whether I'm worth loving or hating,

and finally goes back to reading that thread.

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I think that would only cause arguments evn. If you seen who voted for or against you, it could cause a lot of back and forth battles between PM's...

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I think that would only cause arguments evn. If you seen who voted for or against you, it could cause a lot of back and forth battles between PM's...

Taking away anonymity is the biggest way to put off bad voters - Especially any bigger board members who're voting threads down discretely. I'm sure at the end of the day they'd value their reputation more than being found out a jackass. I don't believe we're just seeing cases of newbies voting down, there's probably some larger members doing it also.

However it also has the potential for a large backlash if you get the hot headed "I don't give a ****" members who just want to cause trouble and will probably revel in the idea people will be starting arguments with them.

I think the staff at least, if possible, should be able to see who's voted what from a drop down menu - Therefore at their own discretion they can see if trends exist. I only have to keep mentioning the time I had someone voting all my topics down and the staff found out who it was. Unfortunately for the devs it was a messy process of digging through code, which is not worth the hassle at the end of the day when moderation can just say "ignore ratings when abused, case closed".

I'd hope the staff come to a final conclusion eventually though, so we can stop seeing these topics cropping up every few weeks.

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