gamerboy Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 http://kotaku.com/5149074/epic-considers-r...nking-structure Finally. This was really needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanManIt Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Never played it online. Always nice to see a company trying new approaches though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 They lost me at the rank like RPG part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR3AMxCATCHER Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 If they make it like CoD4/Cod5/Halo 3 and fix the host stand-bying that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 If they make it like CoD4/Cod5/Halo 3 and fix the host stand-bying that would be great. I'm hoping that's what they do. Except Halo 3 operates on the same TrueSkill ranking as Gears does at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted February 9, 2009 MVC Share Posted February 9, 2009 If they make it like CoD4/Cod5/Halo 3 and fix the host stand-bying that would be great. Host stand by is in almost every game including COD4 and Halo 3. I don't think they can fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR3AMxCATCHER Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Host stand by is in almost every game including COD4 and Halo 3. I don't think they can fix that. Incorrect. In Gears of War you had the connection error message which you never saw kills like that happening. In Call of Duty 4 I've never ran into a standby game at all just lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Why would they replace trueskill which matches up players of equal/similar skill with a lame CoD/BF style level system where everyone can hit lvl 99 if they play enough. Trueskill isn't a level thing you don't have to compete to have the highest trueskill, trueskill is there to match you with people who won't obliterate and and who will give you a worthy match without you walking right over them. sometimes that includes mixing up a team with both good and low players though. The only reason to have a RPG like level system like CoD is the artificially extend play time by requiring you to play for ridiculous amounts of time to reach the highest level, something you have to do to play competitively in multiplayer, since in order to get the good guns, you not only need to be good but you have to play for a long time to get the necessary levels and points. they're stupid systems. And they don't achieve what Epic says they want to achieve, it only achieves that everyone can get max score with enough time, and artifically extending game time through cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted February 9, 2009 MVC Share Posted February 9, 2009 Incorrect. In Gears of War you had the connection error message which you never saw kills like that happening. In Call of Duty 4 I've never ran into a standby game at all just lag. Bit confused by what you are saying. When somebody is stand bying me in the game (GOW), I lagged insanely or don't even make it out of our base and get killed. You can tell when one guy has ALL the kills, just the same as COD4. Not sure what connection error message you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR3AMxCATCHER Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Bit confused by what you are saying. When somebody is stand bying me in the game (GOW), I lagged insanely or don't even make it out of our base and get killed. You can tell when one guy has ALL the kills, just the same as COD4. Not sure what connection error message you are talking about. In Gears of War 1 when lagging occurs or when some is quitting you get the network connection error. You can always tell who host is in Gears of War but as for Call of Duty 4 I rarely see someone exactly knowing they are host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Why would they replace trueskill which matches up players of equal/similar skill with a lame CoD/BF style level system where everyone can hit lvl 99 if they play enough. Trueskill isn't a level thing you don't have to compete to have the highest trueskill, trueskill is there to match you with people who won't obliterate and and who will give you a worthy match without you walking right over them. sometimes that includes mixing up a team with both good and low players though. The only reason to have a RPG like level system like CoD is the artificially extend play time by requiring you to play for ridiculous amounts of time to reach the highest level, something you have to do to play competitively in multiplayer, since in order to get the good guns, you not only need to be good but you have to play for a long time to get the necessary levels and points. they're stupid systems. And they don't achieve what Epic says they want to achieve, it only achieves that everyone can get max score with enough time, and artifically extending game time through cookies. I completely disagree with this statement. Trueskill does absolutely nothing in gears for sure. It prevents people that should be a higher rank from getting there because you never seem to level. Therefore people who are truly a level 1-2 are getting paired with people who should be level 3-4 but because of this "ranking skill" they are only level 1-2 and destroy everyone they play. @UND3RxOATH press the back button and whoever has green ping first is host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 If they make it like CoD4/Cod5/Halo 3 and fix the host stand-bying that would be great. Oh god no! That would be terrible! I hate the CoD ranking system! It shows no representation of skill, just how long you've been playing it for. Halo 3 does it similarly as well, but not as bad. Use the traditional TrueSkill rank. Nothing wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted February 9, 2009 MVC Share Posted February 9, 2009 In Gears of War 1 when lagging occurs or when some is quitting you get the network connection error. You can always tell who host is in Gears of War but as for Call of Duty 4 I rarely see someone exactly knowing they are host. You don't need an error message in GOW2 to tell you who the host is. I either have playable games or the rare occasion where something is completely laggy except for one player (the host) who gets all the kills. How can you not tell in COD4 if somebody is standbying? When everybody has yellow/red and one guy has 3 bars or full bars, he is standbying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0m8er Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'd actually like CoD like rating system! I've played Gears for about 2 months now, and still didn't rank up - I may suck at it, I admit that, but I'm getting better - show me something to motivate me to play more! I need some appreciation of time I spent playing the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Oh god no! That would be terrible! I hate the CoD ranking system! It shows no representation of skill, just how long you've been playing it for. Halo 3 does it similarly as well, but not as bad. Use the traditional TrueSkill rank. Nothing wrong with it. please tell me how the Trueskill rank has any relation to ta players skills. I got friends who should be 3-4 ranks that win all the time yet they are 1-2 ranks because it never levels them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey, it works in Rock Band 2. I'm about 25 in there. It's basically like the Halo 3 system, but it's intented to be implemented across more than one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey, it works in Rock Band 2. I'm about 25 in there. It's basically like the Halo 3 system, but it's intented to be implemented across more than one game. Are you serious? You are comparing a musical rhythm game ranking system to a FPS. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Yuo are looking at two totally different genres of games there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Are you serious? You are comparing a musical rhythm game ranking system to a FPS. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Yuo are looking at two totally different genres of games there. Wrong. It doesn't matter about the genre. Rock Band 2 isn't the only game that uses the TrueSkill ranking. Table Tennis, Forza Motorsport 2, and actually, I just found out that Halo 3 uses it as well, so there's your FPS game. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Wrong. It doesn't matter about the genre. Rock Band 2 isn't the only game that uses the TrueSkill ranking. Table Tennis, Forza Motorsport 2, and actually, I just found out that Halo 3 uses it as well, so there's your FPS game. :p I wasn't saying that Rock Band is the only one that uses that but you can't you the example of Rock Band when comparing it to the COD4/COD5 ranking system. There are very different ways of measuring success between the two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I wasn't saying that Rock Band is the only one that uses that but you can't you the example of Rock Band when comparing it to the COD4/COD5 ranking system. There are very different ways of measuring success between the two games. Yeah, but the TrueSkill ranking shows how good you are, not how long you've been playing, which is what the CoD system does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Yeah, but the TrueSkill ranking shows how good you are, not how long you've been playing, which is what the CoD system does. I completely disagree. Trueskill can just as easily shows who plays more the same as the COD ranking. Someone who plays 5 games and wins all of them will still have a lower ranking than someone who plays 10 games everyday and has the same number of wins and losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 please tell me how the Trueskill rank has any relation to ta players skills. I got friends who should be 3-4 ranks that win all the time yet they are 1-2 ranks because it never levels them. Your friends aren't actually as good as you or they think they are. Though it seems as if GoW doesn't do TrueSkill very well, and bases it on team skill rather than player skill which isn't really how TrueSkill is supposed to work. either way people put too much into trueskill, it's not a Rank or level as such, you don't need to be a high number or whatever. and trueskill measures a lot more than just win and loss, or kills and death ratios. in any case trueskill done right is great, CoD type levelig has NO purpose whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted February 9, 2009 MVC Share Posted February 9, 2009 Your friends aren't actually as good as you or they think they are.Though it seems as if GoW doesn't do TrueSkill very well, and bases it on team skill rather than player skill which isn't really how TrueSkill is supposed to work. either way people put too much into trueskill, it's not a Rank or level as such, you don't need to be a high number or whatever. and trueskill measures a lot more than just win and loss, or kills and death ratios. in any case trueskill done right is great, CoD type levelig has NO purpose whatsoever. I had been playing for about a month and was over at a friend's house. He had never played the game before and leveled up in two matches even while I (level one just like him) was playing with him! Two weeks later I finally leveled up, but was just as confused. I just assume I will never level up to 3 even when I win constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Your friends aren't actually as good as you or they think they are.Though it seems as if GoW doesn't do TrueSkill very well, and bases it on team skill rather than player skill which isn't really how TrueSkill is supposed to work. either way people put too much into trueskill, it's not a Rank or level as such, you don't need to be a high number or whatever. and trueskill measures a lot more than just win and loss, or kills and death ratios. in any case trueskill done right is great, CoD type levelig has NO purpose whatsoever. It is really just simple math that no matter what game you play with whatever ranking system, the more you play the higher lvl you will be. It is as simple as that. Doesn't matter if it is Trueskill or COD style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Actually it's not that simple, trueskill is as I said, a lot more than time played, kd ratio or win loss ratio. You can play for ages and never "level" up in trueskill, ince it's not a level, it's an indication of "your" skill, and behind the scenes it's a lot more than a single number. and in fact trueskill will lower your number if you're not good enough, if you where able to see the full number, (like what is behind the invisible comma after your ts rank) or the complex hidden formula behind the number, you'd see the number going up and down after every match you do in minor or larger increments depending on the "skill" you've shown during that game. yeah, sure theoretically, you should be increasing in skill the longer you play, except not all people are that good learner and some just never get past being crap or being merely decent or good. It takes more than just playing the game 8 hours a day for 6 months to get a high trueskill, you need to actually be good as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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