mclaren05 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hey I have a feeling this will get closed as Neowin doesnt even accept constructive criticism but oh well... In my opinion, year after year Neowin is starting to decline. The staff warn for the smallest thing. Members (myself included) argue about (example) if a pie should be blueberry or apple. The news on the frontpage keeps getting worse and worse, both written and quality. The site (with the new skin) is just horrible (thank god you can still change it to the old version). I dont think this will become 4chan thanks to Neobond but it just wrong to come here anymore :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd21 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 they sure like giving out warnings for minor things, absolute joke really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealexweb Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 The staff are very critical of minor offences and are very harsh. They also like to filter out things they don't like to get mentioned like Adblocking for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren05 Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 they sure like giving out warnings for minor things, absolute joke really I understand that staff have to keep a authority position but warn members because they are arguing (without any personal insults thrown back and forth) is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonySterling Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 In my opinion, year after year Neowin is starting to decline. But you only joined in October '08. :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazenga Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) The only thing that is bothering to the extreme is that everyone in here is so consumed with company x better then company y et al. You can't make a joke about anything related (read Microsoft, Apple ... etc ...) and everyone jumps on calling it flame bait and start requesting to remove it just because it's related to a company. It's pathetic. I still remember the most hilarious JOKE I have ever read in my life time (The one about the Senior developer or something at Microsoft trying to come up with something similar to the iPod), and it was closed, why is that? because no one bothered to think outside the world of ****. Sorry for the language but that's what I think it is in here. Edited February 18, 2009 by gigapixels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren05 Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 The staff are very critical of minor offences and are very harsh. They also like to filter out things they don't like to get mentioned like Adblocking for example. Yet The Pirate Bay is getting frontpage attention (and free publicity) But you only joined in October '08. :huh: ALOT of members have been lurkers like myself :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted February 18, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Neowin's getting better - especially the front page. Original content > syndication. I've not seen any heavy-handed moderation recently, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 In my view the type of contents are getting broader and better, the forum looks better than ever, just that a portion of the members are agitated with the slightest things. Fanboys have always been a part of it, we've lived with it, Mac/PC, Sony/Microsoft, members used to just deal with it and move on. Just to note, adblocking does harm Neowin one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchetsteadman Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have noticed it. It's still my favorite place but the quality of members are in decline. Everyone is short tempered and are not as helpful as they used to be. I don't get warnings as much as I used to but it is still sorta funny. Someone baited me in a thread and I hardly responded but I got a warning for defending myself. On the other hand I made a comment in a thread that could have been considered warez so I contacted a mod and he fixed it for me without handing out a warning. So I have no problem with staff really, just a few members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted February 18, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted February 18, 2009 Why not suggest how you'd like it improved rather than just negatively saying "it's in decline"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATGC Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Neowin is declining only in the sense that spammers get by the registration process. Other than that, Neowin is great for news, hardware help, software help, entertainment, gaming news, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren05 Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Neowin's getting better - especially the front page. Original content > syndication. So you think news like "iPhone gets MMS" or "x guy says that Windows is better than OSX and Linux" is frontpage stuff? I dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted February 18, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted February 18, 2009 Of course it is. It's tech news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren05 Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Why not suggest how you'd like it improved rather than just negatively saying "it's in decline"? A strict revision of ALL staff members. There are a few members who would make way better mods than some currently on the staff. Of course it is. It's tech news! You misunderstood me :) The problem and question is it frontpage news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchetsteadman Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Let me get this in... IBTL :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted February 18, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted February 18, 2009 The former, yes. The latter, no but we don't have that on the front page, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Not really. Things seem better for me. I'd like moderation to be even tougher in order to weed out the extreme fanboys and idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezard Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 And revision of mods, I always Ad-block all sites, screw getting infected with some E-STD. I have lurked Neowin since 2001. Have noticed news going a bit down, but that's just it, you cannot blame the journalist for the crappy stuff that goes around the world, better report something than nothing at all I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNWDweller Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 It is one thing to come across with a heavy hand and another to come across as care free. There is a delicate balance that I am sure anyone would have a hard time to keep balanced by themselves let alone with a staff the size of Neowin's. Now if you had a small forum with say 300 members it might be easier, but with the active member base you have here, you can be sure that you won't please everyone with your management style. The same applies to the content on the front page, the themes and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 i dont put da blame on neowin tho, its moar like every website/forum/community has to be administrated much stricter because law gets worse and worse. thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance. Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I do. But I think that can be easily remedied if everyone gave constructive comments. Something that may help the OP a little may be alot to him :). Agreed it may be a bit hypocritical of me, but if someone is in need of help and has got themselves in a sticky situation then we should help them out, not laugh or mock them, not post "LOLFAIL", "WHERE'S THE FAIL TRAIN PIC GUISE" (doesn't apply to jokes section, because after all we need some fail pics @ fail jokes too :p). And if you're wondering where are my examples, I have none. Disregarding the fact that I wouldn't point out people, I, at this moment, have no examples. I thought of this a few months ago and at that time I noticed it happened often but now since I don't lurk every thread I really can't judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd21 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 they sure like giving out warnings for minor things, absolute joke really everything else is fine on neowin, especially the hardware/software support forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinetix63 Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 I notice, however, that those doing the complaining are the ones with warning levels. Yes - we realise and understand that we moderate here a lot more harshly than perhaps other websites do. And we do that for a reason. We want our community to be full of decent people who can debate sensibly without getting in to arguments and ruining the show for others that want to contribute. Why do we delete posts and issue warnings when members start a gigantic argument? So that others are able to participate. We fully welcome debate, but if comments are getting to the point where an argument between 2 or 3 members in a thread is taking over or deviating from the original topic - we will step in to try and get the topic back on track. Why do we warn? Because our rules say that thread de-railment is a warnable offence. At the end of the day - Neowin is not a democracy. As staff, we moderate according to our community guidelines. If you don't want to stick to them, or don't like them, then the choice is clear to find another community where you feel that you fit in better. Why do we warn about the discussion of AdBlocking? Because Neobond, the owner of this site, says that he doesn't want discussion of it, and that it should be a warnable offence. As the owner of this site - that is his prerogative to make that kind of decision. If you have a specific issue with the way something has been moderated - feel free to contact a Supervisor who can review it for you. I know what you'll be thinking "Yeah - you'll just side with whoever dished out the warn". I can assure you there have been plenty of occasions where warnings have been overturned. At the end of the day - it'd be better to talk to someone who can help with the issues you're having than posting a rant in a public forum thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted February 18, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted February 18, 2009 Having been on staff and having read some of the threads in the staff forums I'll say this much: You have no idea how difficult it is to moderate a forum as big and topic-wise varied as this. Some may remember the clampdown on the Gamer's Hangout about a year or so ago. Do you think it was done on a whim? No - it was long and thoughtfully discussed. The end result worked out well, didn't it? RWI is a war zone to this day, and I wouldn't want to be the one moderating it. Coupled with my nationality I'd too soon be labelled with the epithet 'Nazi'. Whichever way you moderate RWI, you're bound to upset one side of the arguments going on in there. The worst pest plaguing the forums and the front page comments are fanboys of any kind. If it were up to me the specimens permanently instigating flamewars would be persecuted much more harshly than they already are. Take bangbang023's editorial about Apple's impact on the computer industry of yesterday. The comments to it were mostly asinine, bordering on retarded in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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