+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted February 18, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted February 18, 2009 You think I (or anyone else) was given a trial run at least? Nope. Anybody can submit news, I've done it a few times. If you keep it up and it's a good standard you'll probably get noticed by the editors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Believe my I complain about everything, but tbh I think the moderation here at neowin is anything BUT harsh.The only time I've ever been warned was for posting a picture with swear words, etc....I basically just forgot that swearing isn't allowed but w/e. The point is, I argue all the time here and see a lot of other people get away with a lot of stuff too. I really don't see any problem. :huh: The only change I've noticed from years ago is it seems like there were more people posting in general discussion, some other sections. Maybe I'm wrong but I always remember tons of new threads every hour (it seemed like) in general discussion and now there aren't near as many. that's another thing, you will see some members get away with a lot, and in these threads moderators are involved in the discussion... and i agree with mods not replying back to PM's, i had to message three different PM's before i got a question answered. I agree that this place was better when i started coming here, but this place has gotten so much bigger since then it's hard for them to moderate it, you can't really blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsam Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Neowin has been holding steady. I avoid taking part in discussions that are pointless simply because there is never going to be a consensus. But I do read through them to see what people have to say. It helps looking at things from different perspectives. What irritates me the most is when somebody asks for something and a elitist responds with google that or google is your friend. Not everyone coming here is power user or very familiar with the internet. So if you can help great. if you can't then move on or make a polite suggestion instead of making the person look like an idiot. I can understand making a comment like that if you were forced to work for free. Otherwise its totally unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+shift. MVC Posted February 18, 2009 MVC Share Posted February 18, 2009 Obviously I complain about everything, but tbh I think the moderation here at neowin is anything BUT harsh.The only time I've ever been warned was for posting a picture with swear words, etc....I basically just forgot that swearing isn't allowed but w/e. The point is, I argue all the time here and see a lot of other people get away with a lot of stuff too. I really don't see any problem. :huh: The only change I've noticed from years ago is it seems like there were more people posting in general discussion, some other sections. Maybe I'm wrong but I always remember tons of new threads every hour (it seemed like) in general discussion and now there aren't near as many. Yeah the moderating here at Neowin is pretty good compared to what you would see at some of the other forums. Most forums on the internet range from being completely unmoderated to having moderators that ban at the first infraction. Moderators here tend to give you the benefit of the doubt on your first infraction (depending on the severity of it) if you have a good track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) @mclaren05: I do not think Neowin is declining one bit. It has improved so much over the past year and it seems to be continuously getting better. Even though I am new to the staff, I have been an active member on Neowin for some time; therefore, I would like to respond to some of the points you raised: If you do not like the new theme, you may change it back. Neowin has always given the user this much freedom in customising their experience. I personally think this new theme, Finity, is refreshing and the best one yet. If you could please tell me, when has any Neowin staff member closed a topic like this just because somebody criticises Neowin? The only way a person can improve a website is through suggestions and constructive criticism. As Redmak said, however, where is the constructive part in your criticism? Would you like to offer some suggestions in this Site and Forum Issues forum? Perhaps you could please explain how you think the quality of news articles is getting worse? I personally think the quality of news articles is much better than it was a year ago as they all tend to be original now (apart from the useful 'Around the Web' section) and the News Staff are fantastic in their detail and accuracy within their articles. Also, we now have a member of staff dedicated to producing editorials and a member of staff dedicated to reviewing. I think the news division really is just getting better and better. I see now fault with it. The only fault I ever see in any part of the news section is that sometimes there is the odd spelling or grammatical error in an article. Everybody can make mistakes and because of this Neowin's Developers have recently added a handy 'Report a Problem' feature in which you can report any error you see in any article. For a quick reminder, here is a screenshot of how to do this or for more information, please visit https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...734026&st=0 Thank you. Edited February 18, 2009 by CalumJR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted February 18, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2009 I notice, however, that those doing the complaining are the ones with warning levels. Usually same day, or the day after they receive a warning right? HeyI have a feeling this will get closed as Neowin doesnt even accept constructive criticism but oh well... In my opinion, year after year Neowin is starting to decline. The staff warn for the smallest thing. Members (myself included) argue about (example) if a pie should be blueberry or apple. The news on the frontpage keeps getting worse and worse, both written and quality. The site (with the new skin) is just horrible (thank god you can still change it to the old version). I dont think this will become 4chan thanks to Neobond but it just wrong to come here anymore :( We'll that made me feel a whole lot better!............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titoist Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Yet The Pirate Bay is getting frontpage attention (and free publicity) I have mentioned this before about the hypocricy of banning any talk of pirating in the forums but letting it run rampant among staff. My posts have been either deleted or I have gotten a warning. @mclaren05:I do not think Neowin is declining one bit. It has improved so much over the past year and it seems to be continuously getting better. Even though I am new to the staff, I have been an active member on Neowin for some time; therefore, I would like to respond to some of the 'points' you raised: If you do not like the new theme, you may change it back. Neowin has always given the user this much freedom in customising their experience. I personally think this new theme, Finity, is refreshing and the best one yet. If you could please tell me, when has any Neowin staff member closed a topic like this just because somebody criticises Neowin? The only way a person can improve a website is through suggestions and constructive criticism. As Redmak said, however, where is the constructive part in your criticism? Would you like to offer some suggestions in this Site and Forum Issues forum? Perhaps you could please explain how you think the quality of news articles is getting worse? I personally think the quality of news articles is much better than it was a year ago as they all tend to be original now (apart from the useful 'Around the Web' section) and the News Staff are fantastic in their detail and accuracy within their articles. Also, we now have a member of staff dedicated to producing editorials and a member of staff dedicated to reviewing. I think the news division really is just getting better and better. I see now fault with it. The only fault I ever see in any part of the news section is that sometimes there is the odd spelling or grammatical error in an article. Everybody can make mistakes and because of this Neowin's Developers have recently added a handy 'Report a Problem' feature in which you can report any error you see in any article. For a quick reminder, here is a screenshot of how to do this or for more information, please visit https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...734026&st=0 Thank you. The last topic I have seen closed because 1 single member complained or stated "please close this" was the topic about Israel attacking Gaza and killing 1000+ civilians. Now the hate thread titled "What you don't like about Islam" has been going on for quite some time. Double standards I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynnoj Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have mentioned this before about the hypocricy of banning any talk of pirating in the forums but letting it run rampant among staff. My posts have been either deleted or I have gotten a warning. To what extent does running news on the Pirate Bay trial qualify as Neowin condoning piracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) To add to my post, mclaren05. Staff members at Neowin do not "warn for the smallest thing", we warn members for breaching any of the rules they agreed to when signing up to the website and forums. I think that is very fair :) Edited February 18, 2009 by CalumJR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PricklyPoo Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Now the hate thread titled "What you don't like about Islam" has been going on for quite some time. Double standards I see. Hate thread!? If you actually participated in that thread you'd know it was started by Mazhar, who wanted to answer any criticisms people have about Islam. Obviously, like all discussions, some things in the thread go overboard, but I personally have learned quite a lot from Mazhar, Zanwar and other members. If Mazhar wants it to be closed I'm sure he'd ask. But as of now, he's still politely answering questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panacik Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Usually same day, or the day after they receive a warning right? Seems to be the general statistics yes ;) This all goes in hand with what i said in my thread further down the page, where i asked Neowin how he keeps his cool with threads like this really. It proves my point that those who complain are usually the ones with warn levels (including me in the past, until i realised i was being childish). Neowin has its general ups and downs, but this is usually created by a wave of childish users etc. Then the mods are forced to tighten ship and clean out the more abusive and offtopic users, leaving behind a nice fair group of normal users, who want to see Neowin thrive as it has over the years. This thread in itself, serves no purpose to the greater good of Neowin. Telling the mods and admins, you "think the site is declining", is going to get you know where. It will only serve to create another thread that will ultimatly end in a load of flames and end up closed. Now, PMing a mod or admin with your ideas and solutions on how to improve the face of Neowin would be a great idea, that could help the community. Even posting your ideas in this very section is a good idea. That is, if the people who make posts such as these are not doing so because they feel Neowin is in decline, but actually because they have recieved a warn recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean B. Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 The news on the frontpage keeps getting worse and worse, both written and quality. I'd just like to point out that we as news journalists here at Neowin always make mistakes. We have been working our tails off on delivering fresh, engaging, and well written original content here on Neowin. We have had a huge increase in readers since we have moved away from copy and paste to original content. Yes at times we make errors, we're only human. As we better ourselves as journalists we will be getting better at this. This is a team effort, and we've even put in place the tools for our readers to report problems with our articles directly to the editors and journalists. Sometimes we do get behind on the news, that's anywhere you go. We all have separate jobs outside of Neowin, and we all have our own lives. If you see something that we have not covered and you think we should cover it, please post a topic in Back Page News or submit the link to our news desk. All of us check these frequently, as much as we can. As Neowin journalists we do this part time, and we have our own requirements and standards for our front page. If you feel that we should not have posted something, then you are always welcome to contact one of our editors. Shane Pitman, Tom Warren, and Michael Stancliff are three managing editors here on Neowin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Some staff never PM you back. That is very very uncalled for. Even if the message is "**** you (mods name here) or "the weather is sunny", a staff member should ALWAYS reply to you about your doubts. If you pose a question, yes. If your PM was just to moan about how unfair it is that you received a warn, then no. Like the PM I got recently when I warned a member; he indirectly called me a moron in his answer, just to prove that he understood the difference between direct and indirect, but still didn't think it applied to him. Should I have stroked his penis some more in a verbal catfight, or just let him disappear from my radar for that day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think the content is improving within Neowin, however the moderation seems A LOT more stricter, I understand about the Gamers Hangout moderation but some moderation around other areas can be biased/strict. I think members need to have these type off slightly off topic discussions within a topic, it's sometimes better for the community to be honest. Neowin is still my number one source for information (gaming or software/hardware). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+shift. MVC Posted February 18, 2009 MVC Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hate thread!?If you actually participated in that thread you'd know it was started by Mazhar, who wanted to answer any criticisms people have about Islam. Obviously, like all discussions, some things in the thread go overboard, but I personally have learned quite a lot from Mazhar, Zanwar and other members. If Mazhar wants it to be closed I'm sure he'd ask. But as of now, he's still politely answering questions. I'm actually quite surprised that he's able to answer so politely given the scrutiny he's gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Candyman Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Honestly, I think Neowin has gotten better since I joined. The mods are less heavy handed, which is good (you used to get warned for the dumbest little things). The people are better, even if, less informed (but I'm primarily here to help people and have a good time so that's a good thing for me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Now the hate thread titled "What you don't like about Islam" has been going on for quite some time. Double standards I see. Read the first post: it's author intended it to be a place where he could answer criticism about his religion, if anything it aims to reduce the confusion and ignorance about one of the worlds major religions which is the way you go about reducing hate. While the quality of the discussion varies it hasn't devolved into a mud-slinging crap shoot. The original poster is still active and answering questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panacik Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Should I have stroked his penis some more in a verbal catfight, or just let him disappear from my radar for that day? Hahaha! Love it (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PricklyPoo Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I'm actually quite surprised that he's able to answer so politely given the scrutiny he's gotten. Exactly my thoughts. He's always extremely polite to everyone, I don't see why people complain the thread so much. If it was just some thread like that Obama picture one, with 1-2 members contributing to the whole thread, then I'd say close it. But there seem to be 10+ people actively participating in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 But you only joined in October '08. :huh: I was thinking the same thing. YesNot all, but some mods tend to oversight posts deserving a warning because they are +. Members aren't helpful as they used to be, the new number 1 response is "google for it" or that let me "google it for you" link The "google it" problem has been around for as long as I can remember. I haven't seen one recently but that doesn't mean there hasn't been one. you are right about that. They report every sort of news about the the ISO the leaks, and they even had their own forum dedicated to the windows 7 beta, at a time the only way you are going to get it is by pirating it. Then if you said that you are going to wait for the torrent or something you would get warned... How does that make sense? You guys don't support piracy (which you shouldn't and it's great that you don't), but i just don't get how you can turn around and make a forum about the things you are telling people they shouldn't be doing or you don't want any part of. We do not and will not support privacy. However we cannot verify that the person asking a Windows 7 question is a beta tester, went to the PDC and got a build, or maybe work at Microsoft and one day they handed out a beta build for employee's to play with. If you go in there and claim you torrented your copy then you will get a warning and possibly a restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srugie Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Windows 7 has been helping Neowin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris123NT Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Honestly I think the site as a whole is on an upswing. The content is better and the forums seem to be getting more activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted February 18, 2009 Veteran Share Posted February 18, 2009 Honestly I think the moderation need to be even more rigid. Why? See my signature. The fanboyism, shallowness and blindness are at their peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_c_b Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I've been in some pretty heated debates here and not been warned, if you get warned you are likely being very rude or violating policy. I for one welcome the moderation, just because the web is anonymous doesn't give you the right to be a complete jerk. And of course they don't care for discussion of ad-blocking, advertising = revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iian K Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think the place is fine to be honest. I've seen worse days. If you have a comment or question, or even a suggestion, send one of the staff a PM or email. They are your friend you know. Neowin is a large site, and unlike many smaller sites, it has a reputation to keep. Some people don't know when to control themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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