[HTML] Block Internet Explorer and divert to a different page

[CPressland]

Hey all what's up?

I've made some pretty heavy modifications to one of my PHPBB3 bulletin boards and now Internet Explorer 6 can no longer load the site without some... amusing errors. Internet Explorer 7 sometimes loads, sometimes does not, How very... Microsoft.

Anyway, basically I'd like to cause all Internet Explorer 5.5, 6 and 7 clients to automatically divert to a page for example "ie/blocked.html"

Could anyone recommend or explain how I can go about achieving it?

Thanks

Asphyxia8489

[primexx]

You do realize that "the rest of the world" makes up a small amount of browser market share, correct? Like it or not, IE is the defacto standard on the Internet. Alienating IE users only affects your bottom line in the end because most aren't going to download, install, and use another browser just for one or two sites. They'll find an alternative site or service and give them their time, money, or whatever else serves as your currency.

Any Web developer worth their salt can create a website that works across all major browsers with very minimal fuss.

so all of Norway is stupid then?

you're also forgetting that not everyone's websites have IE-majority visitors, or gives a ****, for that matter

[Anooxy]

I like how so many of you automatically assume that anyone who don't bend over double to cater to the POS known as IE is somehow incompetent as a web developer. Well here's some news for you: most of us are far more skilled at markup and CSS than you'll ever hope to be, we just choose not to do it. So stfu and code for your crippled browser while the rest of the world moves forward.

Nonsense, I'm a webcoder, my main job is to convert PSD to xHTML. In a few words I code sites for others. All of them want it first to work on Internet Explorer, then on Firefox. IE is top priority and considering you are 'such a skilled coder' you wouldn't hesitate to do some few tweaks for IE6. As for IE7, I can get the same coding work on it and Firefox without special tags for IE7 or whatsoever... which leads to me thinking you aren't that great considering you have problems even with IE7.

I agree IE6 is a pain in the ass but not making a version of your site for it doesn't make you any good webcoder. You're like saying 'I'm better than anybody of you, but I'm just lazy'... all talk, all nonsense!

[primexx]

Nonsense, I'm a webcoder, my main job is to convert PSD to xHTML. In a few words I code sites for others. All of them want it first to work on Internet Explorer, then on Firefox. IE is top priority and considering you are 'such a skilled coder' you wouldn't hesitate to do some few tweaks for IE6. As for IE7, I can get the same coding work on it and Firefox without special tags for IE7 or whatsoever... which leads to me thinking you aren't that great considering you have problems even with IE7.

I agree IE6 is a pain in the ass but not making a version of your site for it doesn't make you any good webcoder. You're like saying 'I'm better than anybody of you, but I'm just lazy'... all talk, all nonsense!

cshen.ca

^ make that work in IE (any version) and get back to me. kthx.

if you want extra challenge (to prove how l33t you are), make The Decryptor's test layout work in IE (any version).

[Anooxy]

cshen.ca

^ make that work in IE (any version) and get back to me. kthx.

Are you sure that falls under the category of 'IE doesn't render the coding properly'? In your case it doesn't display it at all, which leads me to think you're using a .xml file!

Note: IE8 says 'Cannot display XML bla bla'... might be its fault for being a beta. I'll check with IE7 for the sake of the challenge ;).

Edited March 1, 2009 by Glendi

[sweetsam]

I am not sure what you are referring to by "The Decryptor's test layout". If somebody managed to code your site in IE would you accept that you can't code for IE ? If you are up for a challenge might as well get the rules up and running right ?

cshen.ca

^ make that work in IE (any version) and get back to me. kthx.

if you want extra challenge (to prove how l33t you are), make The Decryptor's test layout work in IE (any version).

[Anooxy]

I am not sure what you are referring to by "The Decryptor's test layout". If somebody managed to code your site in IE would you accept that you can't code for IE ? If you are up for a challenge might as well get the rules up and running right ?

I thought 'challenge' meant two people competing... since he can't do it where's the competition? Extra challenge, lmao!

[sweetsam]

:laugh:

I thought 'challenge' meant two people competing... since he can't do it where's the competition? Extra challenge, lmao!

[Mike]

cshen.ca

^ make that work in IE (any version) and get back to me. kthx.

if you want extra challenge (to prove how l33t you are), make The Decryptor's test layout work in IE (any version).

There is a difference between using something that IE6 doesn't support (which The Decryptor does on purpose) and a standard web site that with a few changes can easily be got to work with IE6. The end result of your site is nothing special, you've just chosen to code it in a way that IE6 won't support due to it being old. I could easily code a page that looked identical to that and worked in all major browsers (yes, IE6 is a major browser), which would people prefer? Mine.

It is also not about personal choice, it is about what people visiting your site will use. Imagine going for a job interview, and giving a list of sites you've made, only for them to see some garbled crap because you didn't test it in the major browsers? Who would look stupid then?

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Personally, I don't care about IE at all (any version), that's just for my personal sites though. If I was doing anything that would have large amounts of visitors or such (e.g. a forum) I'd put the time in to work with IE, although most of it would go towards IE7, IE6 would still get a small stylesheet to hide the largest bugs (A while back I made up a small website for a company, I tested it mainly in Firefox (well, Pheonix as it was known) and Opera, every change I made was also tested in IE6)

I am not sure what you are referring to by "The Decryptor's test layout". If somebody managed to code your site in IE would you accept that you can't code for IE ? If you are up for a challenge might as well get the rules up and running right ?

Oh, that would be one of my pages.

http://alex.thefrapp.com/files/blog/blog.xml

There are a few changes to the markup that you can do that will make it work ok-ish in IE7, in IE6 the design just won't work as it's currently.

[MasterC]

I did a bit of Googling and found that he is not talking about a kiddie porn site, but holy crap! I would say it's just as bad. I recommend that you do not become curious and try to find out :|.

The reason that your site doesn't work is because you have heaps of validation errors. It's just lucky that Firefox somehow works with all of those coding errors. It's not like you are having issues due to a bug in IE, you are having issues due to bad coding.

Found it too :| That's why you don't use the same name... :whistle: I agree though, it's a miracle that it's even rendering in Firefox.

[primexx]

There is a difference between using something that IE6 doesn't support (which The Decryptor does on purpose) and a standard web site that with a few changes can easily be got to work with IE6. The end result of your site is nothing special, you've just chosen to code it in a way that IE6 won't support due to it being old. I could easily code a page that looked identical to that and worked in all major browsers (yes, IE6 is a major browser), which would people prefer? Mine.

It is also not about personal choice, it is about what people visiting your site will use. Imagine going for a job interview, and giving a list of sites you've made, only for them to see some garbled crap because you didn't test it in the major browsers? Who would look stupid then?

the decryptor's site is "nothing special" if you only look at the end result.

he choose to use a technology IE can't support, I did the exact same thing, the only difference is that his is experimental and mine's a finalized standard.

but the fact remains that you can't make an xhtml site work in IE, nomatter how hard you try.

is it a choice? certainly. both our designs are trivial to rewrite so that IE6 does render it.

remember: my original point was that we're all more than capable of doing it, but just choose not to.

[Anooxy]

remember: my original point was that we're all more than capable of doing it, but just choose not to.

And with what reason? Spreading Firefox? How pointless.

[Sandor]

because its a personal site and presumably isn't something he's selling through or making money from then who cares.

if you're running a business you'd have to be a lunatic not to at least have a site that functions in IE6 and 7

[Boramas]

Christ imagine that 22% bought u say $1 million dollars in revenue would you be so lazy to fix your issues then i dont think so

[Thirtythree]

Hey all what's up?

I've made some pretty heavy modifications to one of my PHPBB3 bulletin boards and now Internet Explorer 6 can no longer load the site without some... amusing errors. Internet Explorer 7 sometimes loads, sometimes does not, How very... Microsoft.

Anyway, basically I'd like to cause all Internet Explorer 5.5, 6 and 7 clients to automatically divert to a page for example "ie/blocked.html"

Could anyone recommend or explain how I can go about achieving it?

Thanks

Asphyxia8489

That's a bit extreme don't you think? Forcing people to use a certain browser to view one of your boards?

[CPressland]

lol, I cannot believe you guys actually went out and found my site, LMAO!

Also, P_1, that's not my website ;), just some dead forum that someone setup and I figured I'd try and help with as a project. People that work in this industry need to look out for each other.

For those of you that actually found my site, seriously, I'm not interested in fixing it because it works well anyway on all browsers except IE6 and IE7, hell, even IE8 renders it fine.

Haha, it's actually well funny people googled it, rock on!

P.S. Surely the admins cannot 'warn' me because I did not post a link.

That's a bit extreme don't you think? Forcing people to use a certain browser to view one of your boards?

Well, it's not a certain browser, any browser in fact, just not IE.

[Antaris Veteran]

I hope you all understand that I have my reasons for doing this, all of them good, Internet Explorer just is NOT a good browser and causes havoc with all sorts of systems, including wasting the sites bandwidth.

How does Internet Explorer waste bandwidth?

[Dick Montage]

He's the scatman, weee-ba-ba-badda-bop!

[sweetsam]

If you deliberately chose a format not supported by the browser, then there is no point blaming the browser. Its just a lame excuse. What you have on your site does not make the format you have chosen a necessity. Besides there is no point in blaming the browser after stating that you deliberately chose not to do something you are supposedly capable of.

the decryptor's site is "nothing special" if you only look at the end result.

he choose to use a technology IE can't support, I did the exact same thing, the only difference is that his is experimental and mine's a finalized standard.

but the fact remains that you can't make an xhtml site work in IE, nomatter how hard you try.

is it a choice? certainly. both our designs are trivial to rewrite so that IE6 does render it.

remember: my original point was that we're all more than capable of doing it, but just choose not to.

[primexx]

And with what reason? Spreading Firefox? How pointless.

Have you seen me spread firefox anywhere?

I couldn't care less what browser you use.

If you deliberately chose a format not supported by the browser, then there is no point blaming the browser. Its just a lame excuse. What you have on your site does not make the format you have chosen a necessity. Besides there is no point in blaming the browser after stating that you deliberately chose not to do something you are supposedly capable of.

I suppose you also support Internet Explorer 5.5, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1, since choosing not to support those is just a lame excuse when you are fully capable of doing so.

[Antaris Veteran]

^ Thats a weak argument considering the usage of those browsers (1 to 5.5) is practically 0% of overall users. IE6 - 7 still account for the majority of web users.

[primexx]

^ Thats a weak argument considering the usage of those browsers (1 to 5.5) is practically 0% of overall users. IE6 - 7 still account for the majority of web users.

ah but we're not talking about the user numbers here, if you go back a couple of pages you'll see that we're all supporting at least IE7 for commercial websites precisely because - sad as it may be - many people are still using it.

the discussion right now is about the technical capabilities of the browser, and if not supporting IE6 is a "lame excuse" then sweetsam presumably also supports all the earlier versions of not only IE but Netscape and what have you since it's entirely possible to write a website that works in them too.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

If you deliberately chose a format not supported by the browser, then there is no point blaming the browser. Its just a lame excuse.

...

Not my fault Microsoft's so far behind the other browser makers.

And the funny thing is, At least one of the XHTML authors is a MS person.

Edit: I don't want anybody getting the wrong idea, I don't do this for a living or anything like that, it's all personal sites and only because I'm interested in making them. Being my own personal sites means I'm doing it 70% for me, 30% for other people, and those 30% always seem to use a good browser like something Gecko or WebKit based.

[sweetsam]

You completely missed my point. I was referring to picking a format that you know is not supported by IE6&7 and crying foul over it as a lame excuse. The discussion is about IE6&7 not older browsers. If you read my previous post you will see that I have clearly stated that its about catering to your audience and maintaining standards at the same time. When older versions of IE and Netscape are no more in use by significant number of users supporting them is a waste of time and I am sure you know that. So your statements are pointless.

In other words you have decided not to support IE and that is fine. Just don't blame the browser for your decision. IE7 has all that it takes to reproduce the appearance of your site.

ah but we're not talking about the user numbers here, if you go back a couple of pages you'll see that we're all supporting at least IE7 for commercial websites precisely because - sad as it may be - many people are still using it.

the discussion right now is about the technical capabilities of the browser, and if not supporting IE6 is a "lame excuse" then sweetsam presumably also supports all the earlier versions of not only IE but Netscape and what have you since it's entirely possible to write a website that works in them too.

[Denis W. Veteran]

I did a bit of Googling and found that he is not talking about a kiddie porn site, but holy crap! I would say it's just as bad. I recommend that you do not become curious and try to find out :|.

Curiosity killed the cat. All I have to say is

WTF

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