Chris-Gonzales Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Why do they need a new "pro" theme. just use Aero like everyone else. there's no need to maintain multiple themes, it's a waste of resources, classic so far survives because they can still use basic ontrols without doing extra work. If in the future the windows themes get too advanced to fall back directly on basic controls so more work is needed to make clasic work, expect classic to simply dissapear. There's no need for a "pro" theme, a low color grey basic controls theme doesn't make you pro. The "pro" theme will run much like luna, and will not take up much CPU usage. Light weight, no resource hog Not "everyone" uses aero. Some systems can't handle it, or some don't want aero taking up all their resources. Don't say "just get more ram", as thats not always possible. "multiple themes"? I see only two: Aero and pro. Thats just two. It won't get "to advanced" just a simple, light weight theme that doesnt use up resources Who said anything about "low color gray basic controls" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The "pro" theme will run much like luna, and will not take up much CPU usage. Light weight, no resource hog Not "everyone" uses aero. Some systems can't handle it, or some don't want aero taking up all their resources. Don't say "just get more ram", as thats not always possible. "multiple themes"? I see only two: Aero and pro. Thats just two. It won't get "to advanced" just a simple, light weight theme that doesnt use up resources Who said anything about "low color gray basic controls" ? 1: Yeah, this would be basic. 2: Yeah, this would be basic. 2: Basic and aero with and without transparency 3: ummyeah Basic.... 4: so you want basic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-Gonzales Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 1: Yeah, this would be basic.2: Yeah, this would be basic. 2: Basic and aero with and without transparency 3: ummyeah Basic.... 4: so you want basic... It seems you want basic, given you keep saying basic. Basic also looks ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Charming Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The "pro" theme will run much like luna, and will not take up much CPU usage. Light weight, no resource hog Not "everyone" uses aero. Some systems can't handle it, or some don't want aero taking up all their resources. Don't say "just get more ram", as thats not always possible. "multiple themes"? I see only two: Aero and pro. Thats just two. It won't get "to advanced" just a simple, light weight theme that doesnt use up resources Who said anything about "low color gray basic controls" ? If your computer can't run or handle Aero, you have no business running 7. Furthermore, given that the DWM powered Aero interface uses the GPU to acellerate, it not only takes up less resources than basic but subsequently runs faster. And uses half the video ram with WDDM 1.1 drivers in 7. There is no way in hell Microsoft should bother wasting development time on a UI that only the stubborn haters-of-change will use. Use Aero and suck it up. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-Gonzales Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 If your computer can't run or handle Aero, you have no business running 7. Furthermore, given that the DWM powered Aero interface uses the GPU to acellerate, it not only takes up less resources than basic but subsequently runs faster. And uses half the video ram with WDDM 1.1 drivers in 7. There is no way in hell Microsoft should bother wasting development time on a UI that only the stubborn haters-of-change will use.Use Aero and suck it up. Really. hey watch it. Be more respectful. I use aero, I just used the screenshot to show how bad classic looks. Unlike most here, I think of others and create suggestions others may like. and if people can't run aero, they can use 7. You really have no business telling people what they can and can't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Charming Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 It's not directed at you. The requirements for Aero are very low. 1-gigahertz (GHz) 32-bit (x86) processor or 1-GHz 64-bit (x64) processor 1 GB of system memory Windows Aero-capable graphics card Note This includes a DirectX 9-class graphics card that supports the following: A WDDM driver Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware 32 bits per pixel 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum) 40-GB hard disk that has 15 GB of free hard disk space (the 15GB of free space provides room for temporary file storage during the install or upgrade.) Internal or external DVD drive Internet access capability Audio output capability Windows 7's requirements for Aero are even lower. Aero runs perfectly fine on a large range of integrated and low end chipsets, it's not a feature reserved for high-end gaming-grade graphics cards. Given that the average user will not install an operating system, and that it will be provided on a machine bought from an OEM, that OEM will almost certainly have aero support at the time in the game. If it doesn't, the machine shouldn't be sold as running Vista Premium (or better). If it is the user's choice to install Vista Premium on a machine that doesn't meet reccomended Aero specs that are frankly, very low, the user should most certainly know better. Which brings me back to my previous point - if your computer can't run or handle Aero, you have no business running 7. This is bearing in mind that 7's requirements for Aero are lower than Vista's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 also, in vista, and XP, if you chose to have the classic UI, that doesnt mean you get the classic start menu. For that, you had to go in to the start menu properties. I know, but at least you had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-Gonzales Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Which brings me back to my previous point - if your computer can't run or handle Aero, you have no business running 7. This is bearing in mind that 7's requirements for Aero are lower than Vista's. true, but if people want to run windows 7 and it doesn't support aero, they still have the right to do so. They will jsut be suffering them selves, but what ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 It seems you want basic, given you keep saying basic.Basic also looks ugly. Well, you didn't say you needed it to look pretty. but you where the one who wanted basic, EVERY requirement you gave, fit basic and then some. Basic is the answer you where looking for. it's the "pro" theme. and it may not be pretty, but it's still miles ahead of classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srugie Veteran Posted March 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 1, 2009 Lack of transparency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japlabot Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 The sad thing is that you have to use Classic for Terminal Servers, otherwise it is too much of a performance hit just for some pretty colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurplePeopleEater Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Because the Classic theme and the Vista/7 UI don't go together well. Look at an Explorer window - hideous back/forward buttons, grey background for the breadcrumb bar (why MS, why?). Or in 7 look at the 'superbar' when using Classic - it's just fugly. Can you give me a screenshot? I dont own vista so I dont know what it woudl look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It all comes down to opinion :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KJ Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Although not really relevant to the topic, I found the basic theme very ugly especially in MDI apps (like Photoshop CS3). The bordering and titlebar was way too thick for me and became cumbersome when I had many documents open at once. Here is a theme I'm working on that branches from the other theme that I am 95% done with (need to recreate some graphic elements in DPI's higher than 96). It is using the Aero theme but the window within that window (MDI) is the same as it would appear in Basic. I chose a very small rounded corner because Basic doesn't support "true" transparency -- that is, it's either fully opaque or fully transparent, and the larger rounded edges look terrible without the help of antialiasing. Would like to hear what you guys think about it. It's not ready enough for me to put a WIP, because I want to do that at 98%. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-Gonzales Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well, you didn't say you needed it to look pretty.but you where the one who wanted basic, EVERY requirement you gave, fit basic and then some. Basic is the answer you where looking for. it's the "pro" theme. and it may not be pretty, but it's still miles ahead of classic. I was? Where did I say I wanted basic? :blink: Can you give me a screenshot? I dont own vista so I dont know what it woudl look like. .... Taken from page 2 of this thread. ;) Although not really relevant to the topic, I found the basic theme very ugly especially in MDI apps (like Photoshop CS3). The bordering and titlebar was way too thick for me and became cumbersome when I had many documents open at once. Here is a theme I'm working on that branches from the other theme that I am 95% done with (need to recreate some graphic elements in DPI's higher than 96). It is using the Aero theme but the window within that window (MDI) is the same as it would appear in Basic. I chose a very small rounded corner because Basic doesn't support "true" transparency -- that is, it's either fully opaque or fully transparent, and the larger rounded edges look terrible without the help of antialiasing. Would like to hear what you guys think about it. It's not ready enough for me to put a WIP, because I want to do that at 98%. :) mmmmm Love that dark theme... This is sort of heading in the direction of the "pro" theme I was describing earlier. It doesnt have to be exactly this, but in the same direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KJ Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Thanks. I think my theme is more for aesthetics than functionality and could be depressing to some people because of its dark color. I think older people or people with visual problems would appreciate the extra emphasis on the GUI elements of Aero basic theme, but the glows and the teal blue scheme was a bit too much for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ienhz Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'd rather use classic than basic/aero without transparency. Hell, I'd go back to a themed XP before I use basic/aero without transparency. Vista and 7 look AWFUL if you don't use Aero with transparency enabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionium Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 There are some good looking non-aero themes out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I was? Where did I say I wanted basic? :blink: As I said, EVERY requirement you said you wanted of the pro theme, is answered by basic, thus, basic is the theme you want. Heck it's even in the name, Basic, a basic theme without acceleration or silly transparencies and crap. Just a no nonsense basic theme. it's the new classic. and it's your pro theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strekship Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 People think its ugly because it is. On XP it works fine, but no work was put into it for Vista/7 so it looks like an unfinished mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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