Tech Star Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Xbox designers say they have resolved the ‘red ring of death’ that resulted in many ruined consoles. After the XBOX 360 being released in the market for 3 years and 2 months, Aaron Greenberg has announced that finally there is a fix for the issue that caused failures for XBOX 360’s. After extended the RROD warranty, numerous revisions of the hardware and software, things are finally looking up. Aaron Greenberg has told Edge Online, that with better technology and with the way that they handle repairs there will be fewer RROD’s or even none at all. This can mean good news for all new buyers because they can finally get the XBOX 360 they wanted without worrying if it will RROD. Even previous buyers may rejoice because they can finally get Microsoft to repair their console (if it RROD’s) and not have to worry about getting the same problem again. News Source: DotDosh.com I just saw this on Digg and I thought that it was interesting. Do you think that Microsoft finally fixed the RROD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted March 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 1, 2009 Too late. :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well I thought that people knew the cause of the RROD, and that MS has fixed it by changing how the motherboard is laid out and cooled, etc. Good news either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advent Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I guess I wont have a matching color for my new elite.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Veteran Posted March 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 1, 2009 I swear I've heard this plenty of times before. Didn't they say the second o third revision of the hardware would rid the world of RROD's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coresx Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 We shall see. Shouldn't of needed to be solved in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 This isn't news, the 'tech savvy' public and Microsoft have known the cause for well over a year, closer to two. So this just seem like an attempt to give "dotdosh.com" some traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIII Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I swear I've heard this plenty of times before. Didn't they say the second o third revision of the hardware would rid the world of RROD's? Because those idiots at Microsoft focused on the wrong thing, the main cause of RROD is the GPU, not the CPU. Those guys have been moving to 65nm for the CPU in the first several revisions instead of hurrying up for the GPU. Besides, the cooling is so inefficient. If you opened the Xbox 360, they try to force air flow through a very small gap because the DVD drive sits directly on top of the heatsink for the GPU. If those guys take some class about fluid mechanics and heat transfer before designing the whole thing, it shouldn't have happened. The hardware team designing the Xbox should be fired IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtythree Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I think the fix was smaller manufacturing process and they added some sort of glue on the chipsets? Doesn't matter, I wouldn't buy one considering Microsoft sent them out knowing of the defect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well I thought that people knew the cause of the RROD, and that MS has fixed it by changing how the motherboard is laid out and cooled, etc.Good news either way. If MS's only approach to the problem was to keep the board cooler, then that only minimizes the problem but doesn't actually solve it. A better approach would be a way to detect the heat and shut down the console before a component is damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coresx Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'm surprised Greenberg hasn't been fired. Totally inept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I think the fix was smaller manufacturing process and they added some sort of glue on the chipsets? Doesn't matter, I wouldn't buy one considering Microsoft sent them out knowing of the defect. And that is basically what I've been telling people. I've owned an XBox 360 since launch. I've had 1 RRoD and have a refurbished unit that has lasted quite awhile. However, I bet at some point it will get the RRoD just like all the other defective XBoxes out there. When people ask if I would recommend the console, I've always said: no. It was good that MS extended the RRoD warrenty, but it is a known issue that is THEIR fault and not the consumers. That, and the fact that they denied the magnitued of the problem for a good year is just poor PR and disgraceful. 3 and a half years has gone by, and the next generation of consoles is just beyond the horizon and just now they are saying that they fixed this horrible problem. MS should give 360's a lifetime warrenty for the RRoD problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 YES! Hopefully the next Xbox won't RRoD now :shiftyninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Because those idiots at Microsoft focused on the wrong thing, the main cause of RROD is the GPU, not the CPU. Those guys have been moving to 65nm for the CPU in the first several revisions instead of hurrying up for the GPU. Besides, the cooling is so inefficient. If you opened the Xbox 360, they try to force air flow through a very small gap because the DVD drive sits directly on top of the heatsink for the GPU. If those guys take some class about fluid mechanics and heat transfer before designing the whole thing, it shouldn't have happened. The hardware team designing the Xbox should be fired IMO. It's not like they pick up the phone and say "cut the die size captain!", most companies upgrade both the CPU and GPU dies when smaller dies become available. CPU dies tend to evolve faster than GPU dies, since the problem is also attributed to heat, why not remove any heat possible, even if it isn't the main component causing the problems? I'd rather want them to 'upgrade' revisions whenever possible and all components rather than sit around wait for the GPU to get an upgrade. As for the rest of your post, I totally agree. I have had my 360 open and the layout is a joke, the components used are beyond cheap and it really reeks of "Cheap as possible". Hopefully the next Microsoft console will have some more expensive components and instead of wasting a ton of money on repairs and such, spend the money on quality hardware from the get-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I had two Red Rings in 1 day. Waiting for MS to send me my box. But for now, using the towel trick to keep playing lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted March 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 1, 2009 Just tell me how to get hold of these units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 1, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted March 1, 2009 Original source I think - http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/playbac...back-34/1292808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Honestly, my 360 is the best console I've ever owned. I'm willing to put up with a RROD or two -- already had one. As a PC gamer, I think it best mimics the PC experience. Can't say enough good things about my experience with my 360, unlike with previous consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I've had mine about a year and it hasn't RRoD'd yet *touch wood* :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheese Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 So what exactly was the problem and how did they fix it? According to this article in the guardian from June 2008, the problem was a badly designed ASIC. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/games...rrodsolvedmicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coresx Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) Basically a poorly designed box for air flow to keep things reasonably cool with a GPU that needed a better heat sink along with the cheapest of the cheapest components and you have you recipe for disaster which happened. They solved the issue by going 65nm, putting a better heat sink in, moving things around like memory chips to keep things a little cooler. Just crap design that took 3 years to fix. Edited March 1, 2009 by WooHoo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deck Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 The best way to get rid of the RROD is to remove those fancy red LEDs in the ring. Error comes up, no RROD. Done. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane-UK Veteran Posted March 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 1, 2009 It's a bit shocking that it's taken them this long to pin down the problem! Jeezus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 You can't stop it completely. Hardware can always fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You can't stop it completely. Hardware can always fail. Yes, but they can get the failure rate down to the typical failure rate for any piece of hardware (something like 1-3% I believe). RROD has really been a nonissue for over a year now. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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