Mr. Bean Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 So I came across this article on Yahoo about the best paying fields that a common graduate can professionalize in, and what the expected salaries are: http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/career-articles-t..._figure_job-518 I find it hard to believe Software Engineers starting range can reach $90k, hell even $70k for that matter. I know senior level developers can make this kind of dough, but anyone with less than 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Andre S. Veteran Posted March 16, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 16, 2009 So I came across this article on Yahoo about the best paying fields that a common graduate can professionalize in, and what the expected salaries are:http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/career-articles-t..._figure_job-518 I find it hard to believe Software Engineers starting range can reach $90k, hell even $70k for that matter. I know senior level developers can make this kind of dough, but anyone with less than 2 years? Holy crap, I would love for this article to be stating the truth, since I currently study in software engineering. :p. But the official statistics for my university is that starting salaries are about 45K$ for software engineering graduates. I'm not personally expecting much more on my first job, actually I would be quite satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 reil Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 it would depend where/who you work for. imagine the starting salary for people who work at google/microsoft/amazon and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MrA Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Amazon's starting (for a new grad): Base: $80,000 Signing bonus: $20,000 $40,000 stock This was around February last year. Google's look as nice at first glance, but it's pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brandon Live Veteran Posted March 21, 2009 Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2009 Amazon's starting (for a new grad):Base: $80,000 Signing bonus: $20,000 $40,000 stock This was around February last year. Google's look as nice at first glance, but it's pretty sweet. That sounds a bit high for a new grad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MrA Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 That sounds a bit high for a new grad... Correction, a new grad with 2 years experience in the field including ATI and Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 vks87 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 obviously its depends upon what is your experience and how much knowledge you have..then they fix your salary.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 yeoo_andy_ni Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Holy god! The US definately appreciate their techies more than the UK. I am in systems, but work for a software consultant/developer. It's a fairly successful local business, that now has offices in London, Dublin and Poland as well as Belfast. Enough of that though. The starting salary for a graduate/traniee software engineer with us is ?12k - ?21k, depending on experience and portfolio. That's about $18k - $32k at the moment's exchange rate (approx 1.5 $ to ?). Even at the best rate when the economy was classed as good, that would still only be equivilent to $24k - $42k. Once "trained" it goes to ?20k - ?31k. But that still lags behind what an experienced developer gets in the states! But then there is a senior engineer/consultant post after this that is ?28k - ?37k which is more of the same, but it depends on what you're doing that means you'll develop that quickly. I've seen someone get to this level in 3 years, but not get paid the salary bracket! God I want to be a systems engineer in America. I think my work owuld be appreciated more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 vks87 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 But when we heard the software engineer salary..Its sounds good to hear something like 80,000 some etc.. I am a web designer same like a programmer my salary is 45,000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 redeemed Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 What does it take to get work at MS? Is there work available for a new grad? Just wondering, as I don't hear of many people starting at MS. Also, Brandon, how long have you been working at Microsoft? How long did it take you to get to the position of...what is it that you do? (it's to do with the UI??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 HeartsOfWar Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Hmm... that salary range is extremely high - almost twice that of a starting SW Engineer would make in my area. Of course where cost of living is much higher, I can see it fluctuating, but not that high. You'd have to be a very smart and well accomplished newly grad to get / bargain for that kind of pay. MS is very tough to get in - they have a rigorous screening process that really weeds the people out. I was one of those unfortunate people... but I haven't given up hope - I just needed more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 chconline Veteran Posted April 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 1, 2009 Hmm.... here in Calgary (We have a crapload of engineers here; highest % in Canada) Software Engineers are the least paid of all. It's 75% same thing as Computer Science with an "Engineer" name attached to it... and everyone who fails first year engineering ends up in Software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 babyHacker Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I believe these numbers are way overstated, either that or I just live in a very very low paying city. I have been looking at these types of things for a while and it seem that. 1) Just because you have a CS degree, the market is very very competitive for what jobs there are out there. 2) The few jobs out there start at 45k around here (and as I said, it is very competitive just to get one of those) 3) A degree does not mean a whole lot without experience so newly grads usually get screwed. I am still trying to figure out how you are supposed to gain experience if no one will hire you. Been wondering this for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Son of Hook Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I'm grossly underpaid according to those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 gian Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I believe these numbers are way overstated, either that or I just live in a very very low paying city. I have been looking at these types of things for a while and it seem that.1) Just because you have a CS degree, the market is very very competitive for what jobs there are out there. 2) The few jobs out there start at 45k around here (and as I said, it is very competitive just to get one of those) 3) A degree does not mean a whole lot without experience so newly grads usually get screwed. I am still trying to figure out how you are supposed to gain experience if no one will hire you. Been wondering this for years. Work on open-source projects, work on personal projects, work for a friend (well that's a bit difficult on this field but it works for some of us). Many companies also "hire" students for a few months. This will get you some experience and maybe you will meet some people in the field. The best thing is you can do all these before you even graduate. But I doubt you will get those 100k a year as a new grad... maybe after some years of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Andre S. Veteran Posted April 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 4, 2009 If you can write in your resume that you've worked on Black Mesa Source, or GemRB or other well-known projects like that, you can definitely break very easily in the game industry, even as a first job, for instance. Of course, it's not easy to get involved in such projects with little programming experience, but, who said it should be easy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DrunkenMaster Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Amazon's starting (for a new grad):Base: $80,000 Signing bonus: $20,000 $40,000 stock This was around February last year. Google's look as nice at first glance, but it's pretty sweet. And how lucky would you have to be for them to grab your apples, hm? Amazon and Google are huge. You get many, many applicants - some new grads, some with experience, some with great reputations. You then have to interview well and pass whatever test they have. And even if you get in, do you not think that for 80K to start w/ no experience you will not be eating, living and sleeping the job? I work in a financial company. I could be making a boatload of cash in a few years with enough experience. The problem of course is that said work is not 9-5 - its more like 16+ hour days mandatory. My body cannot and will not keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 General Disarray Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 :blink: I get paid in achievement points Its not that hard to get hired at microsoft etc as placement or graduate but there is no chance of those wages in the first few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brandon Live Veteran Posted April 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 4, 2009 What does it take to get work at MS? Is there work available for a new grad? Just wondering, as I don't hear of many people starting at MS. We have a bunch of people on my team that started as new grads. I actually never finished my degree, so technically I was an "industry hire" since I'd been running my own business beforehand. I think the most important thing for getting hired is to show that you have something to offer. Whether it's expertise in a particular area like database performance, or creativity, or a connection to the customer base / tech community, etc. Personally, I think candidates don't stand out if they just come through, plop down their resume, and just want "a job." I think you'll do much better if you know what job you want to do and you know why you'll be good at it and enjoy it. I wouldn't want to hire anyone into a position that I didn't think they were going to have fun working in. Also, Brandon, how long have you been working at Microsoft? How long did it take you to get to the position of...what is it that you do? (it's to do with the UI??) I'm coming up on the 4 year mark. I started as an SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test) and switched to SDE (aka "Dev") about 8 or 9 months in. I actually don't own any UI features, mainly my work is on what we call the "data layer" for the Explorer shell. It's basically the glue that sits between the UI components and the data source (file system, network, FTP / DAV, OpenSearch, etc), and I'm responsible for the Federated Search feature including the OpenSearch data source and I guess a couple very small bits of UI related to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AltoidBox Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Amazon's starting (for a new grad):Base: $80,000 Signing bonus: $20,000 $40,000 stock This was around February last year. Google's look as nice at first glance, but it's pretty sweet. You also have to consider cost of living. According to salary.com, I'd need to make ~106,000 to maintain my standard of living in San Francisco and ~85,000 to live in San Jose. Now, the bonus and stock are pretty nice beginning lump sums. And plus you have all the other perks of working at google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Andre S. Veteran Posted April 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 4, 2009 I'm coming up on the 4 year mark. I started as an SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test) and switched to SDE (aka "Dev") about 8 or 9 months in. I actually don't own any UI features, mainly my work is on what we call the "data layer" for the Explorer shell. It's basically the glue that sits between the UI components and the data source (file system, network, FTP / DAV, OpenSearch, etc), and I'm responsible for the Federated Search feature including the OpenSearch data source and I guess a couple very small bits of UI related to it.You're 24 and you have already 4 years at Microsoft ? Dang, I'll be lucky if I've completed my engineering degree by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CentralDogma Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 In my opinion, these are how I would ?rate? majors in the job market: ? Computer Engineering - Businesses love engineers. They feel like they have more practical skills. There are fewer of them out there in the work place. They get a higher work load in college(5+ semesters of calculus). ? Software Engineering ? Same as above, but less hardware intensive. ? Computer Science ? Pretty common in the job market. Major is more theoretical. ? Information Technology ? Billed as combination business and computer science major. I have a feeling most businesses wouldn?t know what to use them for and faced against CS/CE/SE, most businesses would go with the latter. ? Game Programming ? Most of the industry is turned off by a title with ?Game? in it. If they do find work, the pay will be pretty good, but the job will not be as stable as others. ? Web Design ? Job market is saturated due to the dot com bust. Obviously I haven?t taken all these majors, so feel free to comment with your own experiences or add any major I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MrA Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 In my opinion, these are how I would ?rate? majors in the job market:? Computer Engineering - Businesses love engineers. They feel like they have more practical skills. There are fewer of them out there in the work place. They get a higher work load in college(5+ semesters of calculus). ? Software Engineering ? Same as above, but less hardware intensive. ? Computer Science ? Pretty common in the job market. Major is more theoretical. snip... Your evaluation of the degrees with respect to education might be right, but I've found that your choice of degree doesn't really dictate your chance of getting a job, or where you get one. Your assertion of "businesses love engineers" only works when you have a business person handling the hiring. Most of the hiring people I've talked to are either managers with a techincal background, or TLs. I'm a computer science major, but I've had interviews and internships where you would expect a computer engineer to do what I would be doing (driver dev stuff). Likewise, I've worked with many computer and software engineers which do the same work as computer science people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 General Disarray Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 In my opinion, these are how I would ?rate? majors in the job market:? Computer Engineering - Businesses love engineers. They feel like they have more practical skills. There are fewer of them out there in the work place. They get a higher work load in college(5+ semesters of calculus). ? Software Engineering ? Same as above, but less hardware intensive. ? Computer Science ? Pretty common in the job market. Major is more theoretical. ? Information Technology ? Billed as combination business and computer science major. I have a feeling most businesses wouldn?t know what to use them for and faced against CS/CE/SE, most businesses would go with the latter. ? Game Programming ? Most of the industry is turned off by a title with ?Game? in it. If they do find work, the pay will be pretty good, but the job will not be as stable as others. ? Web Design ? Job market is saturated due to the dot com bust. Obviously I haven?t taken all these majors, so feel free to comment with your own experiences or add any major I forgot. Are these only US? from looking at the UK it seems most universities only offer Computer Science, possibly Games Programming and then I.T/B.I.T (non programming intensive) Computer Science does not seem to diversify into Computer Engineering and Software Engineering at any university I have looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CentralDogma Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Are these only US? from looking at the UK it seems most universities only offer Computer Science, possibly Games Programming and then I.T/B.I.T (non programming intensive)Computer Science does not seem to diversify into Computer Engineering and Software Engineering at any university I have looked at. Usually, in the US, there is a "school of engineering" or alike. They usually offer CE/SE under them rather then under the CS department. btw, Game Programming isn't a very popular major in the US (I can't recall seeing many colleges offering it as a major) probably due to the stigma associated with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 xEonBuRn Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I graduated with a B.S. Computer Engineering a year and a half ago. The highest starting salary from my department was 65k with a small private company. He had some internship experience. If you have none, you are lucky to get 60k right out of school. That said, once you have 2 years of experience, you can get 80k easy... unless you work in some ultra-flexible or small company, you will never raise up at the rate you should if you started at the bottom. Best option, work 2 years at your first job right out of school, then go job hunting again. If you perform well, your current company will likely match whatever offers you get in order to keep you. In that case, stay until your 401K matching is vested and roll out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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So I came across this article on Yahoo about the best paying fields that a common graduate can professionalize in, and what the expected salaries are:
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/career-articles-t..._figure_job-518
I find it hard to believe Software Engineers starting range can reach $90k, hell even $70k for that matter.
I know senior level developers can make this kind of dough, but anyone with less than 2 years?
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