~ Rogue ~ Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 A nifty feature of IP.Board is to configure polls so that you can see who (ie: member) voted in the poll. This feature is very useful, especially when conducting a poll designed for certain members of a particular country. I hereby request the Administrators enable it. It would also be nice for the topic creator to be able to delete certain votes (ie: ones from the UK that don't belong). Flame away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelli Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 How dare you try and censor my right to vote! :p Would be nice to see who voted for what but in the most cases it would just cause a flame war as people bitch at each other for voting one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Rogue ~ Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 How dare you try and censor my right to vote! :p Hehe. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 A nifty feature of IP.Board is to configure polls so that you can see who (ie: member) voted in the poll. This feature is very useful, especially when conducting a poll designed for certain members of a particular country. I hereby request the Administrators enable it.It would also be nice for the topic creator to be able to delete certain votes (ie: ones from the UK that don't belong). Flame away. You can ASK for people to respect your wish, but it's a bit much to show votes just because you were pompous enough to poll only 1 country in this world. This is an international board, and you knew that going in. You also knew what kind of feedback you would get from the rest of the world. Seems like you create your own monster here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 1, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted April 1, 2009 Couple this with "Who voted in the topic star rating" and you'd soon see a pattern of any potential douchebags on the board. However that would probably cause anarchy and bickering as people attempt to lay the smackdown on anti-social members, instead of letting the mods do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Rogue ~ Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 You can ASK for people to respect your wish, but it's a bit much to show votes just because you were pompous enough to poll only 1 country in this world. This is an international board, and you knew that going in. You also knew what kind of feedback you would get from the rest of the world. Seems like you create your own monster here. The poll was created for US citizens only as the issue is really only a US one. Simple as that. This _is_ an international board. I respect that. =) Couple this with "Who voted in the topic star rating" and you'd soon see a pattern of any potential douchebags on the board.However that would probably cause anarchy and bickering as people attempt to lay the smackdown on anti-social members, instead of letting the mods do it. Are you implying that people who support gun rights are douchebags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurë Veteran Posted April 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 1, 2009 The poll was created for US citizens only as the issue is really only a US one. Simple as that. This _is_ an international board. I respect that. =)Are you implying that people who support gun rights are douchebags? I think it was more a reference to the habit some members have of rating topics one star/five star based on the phase of the moon/the weather/some other arbitrary event. As to your request, Joel was making the point that it's kinda tough. Trying to restrict people by country on the internet is a bit like asking a chocolate teapot not to melt when you pour hot water inside. If you want some serious results or research, try door to door or more US focused forums.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curme Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I blame the UK people. :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted April 1, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted April 1, 2009 You can ASK for people to respect your wish, but it's a bit much to show votes just because you were pompous enough to poll only 1 country in this world. This is an international board, and you knew that going in. You also knew what kind of feedback you would get from the rest of the world. Seems like you create your own monster here. Calling a member Pompous. My My. I guess supervisors don't have to follow the community rules. Oh never mind I recall one that got in a jam about not doing that. :rolleyes: Oh and there have been polls here for Canadians only and everyone respected that wish. Well not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted April 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 1, 2009 Oh and there have been polls here for Canadians only and everyone respected that wish. That's only because nobody cares about us. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted April 1, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted April 1, 2009 I for one would NOT want people to know what threads I voted in, or else I would stop using the feature. Too many PM's will come about saying "why did you rate my thread x?" Sorry, but I for one would like to keep censored. This feature is purely for spite reasons to cause arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Calling a member Pompous. My My. I guess supervisors don't have to follow the community rules. Oh never mind I recall one that got in a jam about not doing that. :rolleyes:Oh and there have been polls here for Canadians only and everyone respected that wish. Well not anymore. Are you seriously still going on about this? If you have some sort of proof that someone NOT from the US voted, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, you're just blowing really badly thought-out smoke. I posted in his thread as a response to what was happening in his thread, not a reply to his topic. Seriously, deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted April 2, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 2, 2009 Calling a member Pompous. My My. I guess supervisors don't have to follow the community rules. Oh never mind I recall one that got in a jam about not doing that. :rolleyes:Oh and there have been polls here for Canadians only and everyone respected that wish. Well not anymore. For the record, simply responding to a member's request != voting in a poll. But you claimed otherwise in that thread. As for people voting in Canadian only polls (if there are any), "let me make this perfectly clear"*: I really don't care if non Canadians vote in those polls. Thank you. *decided to poke a little fun at Stephen Harper and his caucus here (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deletedxyz Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The great words of Braveheart said it better, "FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" Freedom of speech for the win. Down with locking polls. Neowin forums might as well turn into Hulu.com or any other non US hostile website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+shift. MVC Posted April 2, 2009 MVC Share Posted April 2, 2009 On another note, aren't polls supposed to be anonymous anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 how about a compromise between both sides of the argument.... like, the poll starter can see who voted, but nobody else.... and to make it fair, he is also allowed to remove votes from people who do not comply with his criteria how does that sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Rogue ~ Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 how about a compromise between both sides of the argument.... like, the poll starter can see who voted, but nobody else.... and to make it fair, he is also allowed to remove votes from people who do not comply with his criteria how does that sound? I fully endorse this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted April 2, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 2, 2009 how about a compromise between both sides of the argument.... like, the poll starter can see who voted, but nobody else.... and to make it fair, he is also allowed to remove votes from people who do not comply with his criteria how does that sound? What's the whole point of a poll when the poll starter can manipulate the data he sees as not complying with his "criteria"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 yeah.... maybe an addendum would be in order... votes dont get deleted, but rather they get filtered, in effect the poll becomes something like an email client the visibility of the poll results to others should also be controlled the poll starter, possibly also using the filters for votes and mods should be able to see everything about the polls, including who voted for what, the filters used by the poll starter, any changes made after the poll started, etc etc a mandatory poll would be started by the system alongside a poll like this, asking every user if the poll was fair or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+shift. MVC Posted April 2, 2009 MVC Share Posted April 2, 2009 But the point of a poll is that the data is supposedly not manipulated. By implementing any sort of filtering system the data is being manipulated therefore making the data useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted April 2, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 2, 2009 Before we get ahead of ourselves, let us ask if all this extra work is really worth it... The poll that started this topic was supposed to be a US-only poll about gun control. But I ask you, do you see that many country-centric polls in Poll Station? As for the content in Poll Station: some of them are usually silly polls (such as the infamous "do you take a leak in the shower"), some are about liking a product or a band, or owning a product or CD or song or whatever, some are about actions you carry out on a daily basis... pretty much neutral polls that most of the time, the topic creator shouldn't concern themselves over who voted and where they're from. If anything, if we implement your ideas, this will create tensions between a topic creator and a person who happens to have a grudge against him and decides to vote no or stupidly in his polls - and we definitely don't want that happening. Just like we don't want people seeing who's voting down their threads. So in short, enabling a topic creator to see who voted and the work required to implement it is worthless especially if it'll cause problems. And we've seen a small sliver of it in your poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 yeh, it all does sound abit silly dont it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted April 3, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted April 3, 2009 The whole idea of restricting polls or topics to certain groups or nationality is ridiculous on an international forum like Neowin with visitors from all over the world. Just my 0.02 ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 i see a poll as a tool...its something that would be used, not something that we have to live up to this isnt an election or anything, this is just a 'raise your hand if you agree' type of situation... if you enforce 'fair' rules on voting, you end up with very neowin-centric results , which are otherwise useless... polls like the gun rights one should be allowed to be conducted on neowin, personally i am not going to interfere with the poll , in fact i would be quite interested in the outcome of the poll.... in an ideal world we wouldnt mess with polls which we have no business in, lets hope that neowin members are willing to cooperate that way... because even if you could see who voted, how are you sure that they are really who they say they are, other than the 'location' in their profile? knowing that your votes are being monitored by the poll starter could be a deterrent, but otherwise theres not much you can do to stop determined poll-messers from messing up your poll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted April 6, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 6, 2009 Good post. Let's also keep in mind that ALL democratically conducted polls on this civilized side of the planet are supposed to be completely anonymous. No way of tracing back a vote to a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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