Emily_June Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 My boyfriend and I have been playing Halo Wars for the past couple of weeks, but out of dozens of 2v2 online games, we haven't won a single game. We've tried all different strategies, but it never seems to work. It feels like we're missing something. We've managed to stay in the games longer and longer lately, but we're apparently nowhere near winning a game. We're doing just fine in the campaign, so far. I've noticed that we're not very good at getting our troops out fast enough to attack our opponent's bases first; we've been attacked first almost every time, which seems like a big disadvantage. Unfortunately, as fast as we try to get things rolling, it never seems to be fast enough. Once they start attacking us, we spend the rest of the game defending our base instead of playing any kind of offense. I've also noticed that I tend to last longer than he does when he plays for the covenant (which is most of the time). I should add that I'm fairly new to RTS games, or at least I haven't played them in a very long time; I'm much more of a FPS kinda gal. So I'm curious: what are your strategies? I'd like to win at least one online game, so help us out, guys! -Emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 If you can't get your units out quickly enough, I would recommend a bit of turtling instead (defense). My strategy is usually to get to T3 cobras and elephants ASAP as well as Heavy Turrets so that I won't die too easily from armor or air. I then slowly build up some more offensive units like Vultures or a good number of Warthogs/ODST's and attack just after one of their assaults. This strategy usually works best against Forge since Cobras at full are cheaper than than tanks and they tear through them at a higher range. Other than that, the only other strategies I know of is a covenant Hunter rush and HAWK/ODST spamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladas Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Do you use hotkeys or shortcuts? Do you group you builds in a key? Do you group ur units in a group? I don't know about Halo Wars, but i used to play Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, and its all about micro/macro and counter the units of the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Do you use hotkeys or shortcuts? Do you group you builds in a key? Do you group ur units in a group?I don't know about Halo Wars, but i used to play Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, and its all about micro/macro and counter the units of the opponent. Just so you know, Halo Wars is on a 360 controller, so hotkeys and macros don't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladas Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Just so you know, Halo Wars is on a 360 controller, so hotkeys and macros don't happen. Uh Oh!, RTS on controller, good luck with that, reminds me of Starcraft @ N64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Uh Oh!, RTS on controller, good luck with that, reminds me of Starcraft @ N64 yeah, again it pays to actually try something before you go on about how impossible it is :p Halo Wars is an excellent RTS. even among console and PC RTS together, I'd rank it up there at top 3. It's an excellent game, and it's easy to play, It's the first and only console RTS game that's not only playable, but good, and in fact easy to play. It makes excellent use of the controller, and instead of trying to be a regular mouse game, it plays on the strengths of the gamepad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_June Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 If you can't get your units out quickly enough, I would recommend a bit of turtling instead (defense). My strategy is usually to get to T3 cobras and elephants ASAP as well as Heavy Turrets so that I won't die too easily from armor or air. I then slowly build up some more offensive units like Vultures or a good number of Warthogs/ODST's and attack just after one of their assaults. This strategy usually works best against Forge since Cobras at full are cheaper than than tanks and they tear through them at a higher range. Other than that, the only other strategies I know of is a covenant Hunter rush and HAWK/ODST spamming. I usually get at least two turrets up, first thing, in case our enemies attack right away (which I hate). How do you get a moment to attack after their assault, though? Once we're attacked, the enemies rarely let up even for a moment. By the time we're down to two or three of their units, they're sending five more and we're scrambling to rebuild our defenses so we're not destroyed. I also like to build my spartans right off the bat; once I figured out how easy it is to steal the enemy's artillery with them, I fell in love with them! They're what's allowed me to last longer, now. Thanks! Do you use hotkeys or shortcuts? Do you group you builds in a key? Do you group ur units in a group?I don't know about Halo Wars, but i used to play Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, and its all about micro/macro and counter the units of the opponent. What this guy said: Just so you know, Halo Wars is on a 360 controller, so hotkeys and macros don't happen. -Emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Well, what you need to do is get them held up somewhere else. So if they are constantly attacking one base, have the other player move behind them and attack and either (a) get them to retreat allowing you to recoop or (b) have them forget about their bases and risk losing their slot in the game. 2v2 is all about teamwork. Most people like to concentrate their forces. Thats not a bad idea, but it makes them really limited in what they can do. If they are really used to playing that way, splitting the players up might slow them down or confuse them. I also usually get time to attack right after demolishing their force. The key to doing this is basically "hoping" that you are up against a Forge player. Forge is the ideal player to go up against with Cobra's. Upgrade your cobras and king three of them with the spartans and deploy them next to your base. If the enemy starts rushing you with tanks, these guys will take them out pretty well. The best part about this setup is that they need to come to you. Since your cobra's are cheaper and build faster than the scorpion/grizzly that means you can replenish quicker than they can. Edited April 8, 2009 by Emn1ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_June Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Well, what you need to do is get them held up somewhere else. So if they are constantly attacking one base, have the other player move behind them and attack and either (a) get them to retreat allowing you to recoop or (b) have them forget about their bases and risk losing their slot in the game.2v2 is all about teamwork. Most people like to concentrate their forces. Thats not a bad idea, but it makes them really limited in what they can do. If they are really used to playing that way, splitting the players up might slow them down or confuse them. I also usually get time to attack right after demolishing their force. The key to doing this is basically "hoping" that you are up against a Forge player. Forge is the ideal player to go up against with Cobra's. Upgrade your cobras and king three of them with the spartans and deploy them next to your base. If the enemy starts rushing you with tanks, these guys will take them out pretty well. The best part about this setup is that they need to come to you. Since your cobra's are cheaper and build faster than the scorpion/grizzly that means you can replenish quicker than they can. We're not bad playing as a team; as long as he listens to me :laugh:. We've tried attacking their base to distract them from attacking one of us, but the problem is that when we've done this, the other can never make it over to the other base, the other enemy starts attacking our own base, and the original attackee can't defend themself against the enemy's onslaught. Now when you say "king" the cobras with the Spartans, how do you mean? I only know of being able to spit out Spartans, and take over enemy vehicles with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 no real tips for MP, sorry...more of a leisurely 1UP gamer when it comes to Halo Wars myself...like it how the game generally gives you time to build your base and enjoy the units at your own pace. for playing with humans, i'd say get all four turrets and three supply depots going and fully upgraded before deciding on ground or air units..i'd go with ground, five scorpions and three cobras can cause a lot of hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Now when you say "king" the cobras with the Spartans, how do you mean? I only know of being able to spit out Spartans, and take over enemy vehicles with them. Grab a Spartan and press 'Y' on one of your units. The Spartan should get in it. This increases their health as well as firepower. You can do this with pretty much any unit except for a Vulture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_June Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Grab a Spartan and press 'Y' on one of your units. The Spartan should get in it. This increases their health as well as firepower. You can do this with pretty much any unit except for a Vulture. Ohh, that's good to know! I've seen enemies with Spartans in their vehicles, but I always assumed they were vehicles they stole from either Ryan or myself. I'll have to try it out. Thank you, again! Now to find time to get playing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) I just focus on producing resources and warthogs, then when I reach the population limit I suicide them into the enemy's base. I never win any games, but my losses are spectacular. Edited April 10, 2009 by Kitty Karloso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDEAN Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Uh Oh!, RTS on controller, good luck with that, reminds me of Starcraft @ N64 No reason to JUDGE unless you played the game on the 360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Marto Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 you can get gauss hogs in 4 mins flat as anders if you know what your doing. then just churn out ten or so and youll wipe a base no problem. easy wins :) whilst your wiping them. upgrade to hawks, then send in a wave of them. if they rush you first. counter with whatever youv got. always have 4 ish hogs outside your base. and micromanage them away from leaders, especially the prophet. cant touch you if your quick to move units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_June Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 you can get gauss hogs in 4 mins flat as anders if you know what your doing. then just churn out ten or so and youll wipe a base no problem. easy wins :) whilst your wiping them. upgrade to hawks, then send in a wave of them. if they rush you first. counter with whatever youv got. always have 4 ish hogs outside your base. and micromanage them away from leaders, especially the prophet. cant touch you if your quick to move units. That's pretty good advice... I do like the hogs, but I've always thought they were a bit underpowered and very easy to destroy, even with the gauss. I'll have to try this tactic, though. Do you guys generally take over as many neutral bases as you can, and at what point do you start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Hussain Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 ...or give up and have sex with your boyfriend instead. lol jokes my girlfriend never plays computer games apart from the wii...im missing out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_June Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 ...or give up and have sex with your boyfriend instead.lol jokes my girlfriend never plays computer games apart from the wii...im missing out! You know how couples always have a "thing"? Sometimes it's cooking together, sometimes it's going to baseball games together, etc... Ours is gaming together. Well, amongst a few other things. ;) If we were ever the types to go out wearing matching t-shirts, they'd have something to do with video games. If we were to theme-name our kids, the theme would probably be video games. If I weren't such a girly-girl about having a traditional wedding, we'd probably get married as Princess Peach and Mario in the Mushroom Kingdom with Toad as our minister, or perhaps Cortana and Master Chief with the Arbiter as a best man. I'm certainly not going to deny that video games sometimes creep their way into our more intimate moments together, either. So you're lucky to have a less nerdy girlfriend, than my poor Ryan. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Nerdy girls are sometimes the most entertaining :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuietStorm21A Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 You can try the warthog rush in which they showcased on inside xbox a couple weeks when Halo Wars was released. Usually gives you enough time to either build up ur base and set an offensive stategy. Also think its great that you and your boyfriend are playing games togther, i am finally starting to get my girl to play a couple of games with me :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_June Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 Nerdy girls are sometimes the most entertaining :p Damn straight. You can try the warthog rush in which they showcased on inside xbox a couple weeks when Halo Wars was released. Usually gives you enough time to either build up ur base and set an offensive stategy. Also think its great that you and your boyfriend are playing games togther, i am finally starting to get my girl to play a couple of games with me :D. I don't think I caught that episode. What do you mean by warthog rush? As in building a bunch of them (being the cheaper/faster build) and rushing the enemy's bases right off the bat? I'd prefer to avoid that kind of thing; I can't stand when my enemies throw their units on me before I've even built my first turret. I like the strategic planning in the game and other RTS games, rather than the straight attack like you already have in your FPS game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuietStorm21A Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Yup thats pretty much it but i usually build them as lil defense while my turrets and army is being built. Also works good to stop their rush sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraph XXVII Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I myself am pretty bad with the UNSC, I play as the Covenant 99% of the time. I'll normally play the 2v2 or 3v3 matches and generally win. With that said there are several ways to "up" your game. Know your leaders strengths and weaknesses, but also know your enemies strengths and weaknesses too. When the game starts, get your first couple buildings going and send your starting unit to collect resources (THIS IS KEY TO EARLY GAME!!). With those things happening, you don't really have much to do for a few seconds. So hit the "back" button and take a look at what your opponents are playing as. Now you know what you're up against and you can plan your next moves accordingly. The mass population out there on Live will generally use the same strategies everytime. So you can guesstimate what they are going to do early game. For example, if they're playing as Anders they will generally do one of two things (sometimes both if the first one doesnt work. 1) warthog rush, Anders can get them out faster with upgrades or 2) spam hawks. So in the early game I would plan for anti vehicle, but mid to late game I would plan for hawks (if scouting indicates hawks are in fact being built). The beginning of the game, the first few minutes is when everyone is truly equal. No one has anymore resourses, units or bases than anyone else. So you have to figure out how can you get the edge. What is the quickest build order for my goal? How many resources can I gather? Can I stop them from gathering resources? Without knowing how you play and what your strategy is, I can't offer any help on build order. As far as resources go, when the game starts I send my unit to the opponents side of the map to collect THEIR resources. Once my leader, or in the UNSC's case, second unit is built I use that unit to collect my resources. I've noticed alot of people have said to use turrets. Now in no way do I mean to say that they do not know what they are talking about. But out of all the games I have played, I have never built turrets. I simply use a different tactic then the other posters. Turrets do have their pros and cons, but I believe the cons out weigh the pros. Turrets don't really require speciatly building for them to be built. You don't have to micro manage them or worry about positioning them in a certain place. But! Turrets are expensive, they cost 250 to be built and another 100 to be effective. So 350 gets you stationary unit. With those resources you can. With that same amount of money you can build 1-3 units. Even a spartan in your case, and they are far more valuable then a turret. Another tip is micromanaging and diversity. Even if your opponent out numbers you, it doesn't always mean defeat. Micromanage your units, have them target specific units. It's better to have all or atleast a majority of your units firing on one unit then a crowd. If you can quickly kill one unit then move on to the next, your opponent will find himself without an army. Also, have your units target what they are best at killing. For example; if your opponent is attacking you with scorpions, marines and spartarns and you have some wraiths, jackals and grunts. Make your jackals target the spartans first, then move onto the marines and once the infantry is gone have them hit the tanks. The reason I say the spartans first, is because they do more damage than a marine, but they can also steal your wraiths. You have to prioritize your targets. Scouting will really help you and your team out. Send a unit to the opponents, see what units they have, or what buildings they have. From there you can determine their general strategy. With your boyfriend playing the Covenant it gives your team more options than just the UNSC. His leader alone can generaly stop a rush. When I play as the Covenant, I use the Arbiter. When the game starts I build; Warehouse, Warehouse, Temple. Then send my ghost to collect resourses. The reason I build the two warehouses first is because once my arbiter comes out I usually have enough resources from my warehouses and gathering to purchase both of his tier 1 upgrades and start another warehouse. The Arbiter is a one man army early in the game, and if used effectively even in the end game. Once the arbiter is built and his upgrades purchased, I use him to destroy (but no capture yet) the nuetral bases. I destroy them for the resoucres and xp for the Arbiter. Generally I wont build a second base untill the Arbiter has both of his Tier 2 upgrades. And rarely do I build any units before he has his tier 3 upgrades. I know I went on a bit of rant, but I hope that my advice is helpful. And please don't get me wrong, I am no way and expert and even though my team wins most of the time, we are human and we still lose. Losing will happen, even to the best. The best thing you can do is practice, practice, practice. Try playing a 2v2 skirmish against the A.I. computer. They attack early, it could help you with preparing for a rush. Good luck! -Seraph XXVII- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerboy Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I find that the best strategy that does not involve a rush is to be aware of your opponents leader and the leaders capabilities.All covenant leaders are easily capable of rushing you so the best strategy if you are facing one of them is to get either units quickly or put up a turret or two on your base then continue to build up your base. Both Cutter and Forge are leaders that are normally not rushing leaders however Anders is normally a sign of a rush because of the capability of getting warthogs quickly. When facing the any covenant leader I would also recommend a large amount of anti-infantry units because if you get your units hitting their leader it will die extremely fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olemus Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Cutter can rush using an elephant so constantly pound an unarmed base with marines and flamethrowers, its quite effective if your opponent doesnt bother scouting so they dont know to start building defences against your rush. Forge doesn't have any rush at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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