Demigod: 18,000 Customers; 120,000 Pirates


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You pay for the license to install and use the game...not the media used to install it. Yes, you are stealing. :rolleyes:

And whats wrong with testing a game before you decide whether or not to buy it? :rolleyes:

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And whats wrong with testing a game before you decide whether or not to buy it? :rolleyes:

thats why you wait for a demo...if you cant wait then you buy it and take the risk of not liking it.

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thats why you wait for a demo...if you cant wait then you buy it and take the risk of not liking it.

Thats the problem, not all games release demo's, and most other products you are able to return if your unsatisfied with the product. Software shouldn't be any different IMO.

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Thats the problem, not all games release demo's, and most other products you are able to return if your unsatisfied with the product. Software shouldn't be any different IMO.

they said they were working on a demo some time last week before it was torrented...i know thats not all case's but just because theres no demo doesnt justify downloading games for free when it has been hard work for the people involved in creating it.

as for returning it...that how media works...how many times has someone brought a album or dvd they didnt like and tried to take it back because the movie sucked or they only liked 2 of the new tracks on the album?? it doesnt happen and most people with alittle common sense know this.

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I'm picking this game up later today. I don't care much for playing online, I'll be playing this at LANs with some friends. The online issue does suck though.

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You can't return a piece of software because you don't like it. You can *MAYBE* return it if it doesn't do what it's described to do - but even that's the managers discretion (Like if you buy software with a 'Designed for Vista' label on the box and it says 'I won't work on this OS!' when you load it up, and you're on Vista). But theres no law anywhere that says you can return software.

Especially modern software with product activation. Basically, if it's opened - it's stuck with you. Even if you've not even touched the disc. You've seen the product key, you may have copied it. People aren't stupid!

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All i say its bad coding , the connection should be verified , wtf is the product key for ? , there should had been a check somewhere in the game so that a pirate copy couldnt be used online ( it should also actually write the ip for the hacked copy in the server )

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lol, did the title get embezzled a bit more? :p -20,000.

Still though, thats a lot of pirates!

No, it is not "-20,000." Read this: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/46251/De...d-Piracy-Update

"But on day 0, there were around 140,000 concurrent users of which 18,000 are validated."

My 18,000 was inaccurate. That was the peak number of legit players, sorry. So it's actually more than 18,000 sold and more than 120,000 pirated, most likely.

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You pay for the license to install and use the game...not the media used to install it. Yes, you are stealing. :rolleyes:

No you dont you pay for the media and the contents of the box, if you walk out of the store without paying for it then that is stealing.

1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.

Downloading the pirated version is Copyright Infringement.

copyright infringement

noun

a violation of the rights secured by a copyright

You do this buy using the bits and bytes you havent paid for.

Stop calling downloading a game stealing when it clearly isnt.

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But theres no law anywhere that says you can return software.

If the program has an EULA, as far as I know, if you decline the terms, you have the legal right in the UK to return it, whether you've opened the case, seen the cd key or whatever (it should state in the EULA something along the lines of "If you do not agree to these terms you should return the product to your place of purchase for a full refund").

I believe the law states this clause is a legal requirement if you can't see the EULA before you buy the product. I'm not 100% certain though.

No you dont you pay for the media and the contents of the box, if you walk out of the store without paying for it then that is stealing.

Downloading the pirated version is Copyright Infringement.

You do this buy using the bits and bytes you havent paid for.

Stop calling downloading a game stealing when it clearly isnt.

Whether you like it or not, it *is* stealing - you're stealing bandwidth and other server resources (when playing online). Those cost Stardock money to maintain, and anybody who has pirated the game is stealing those resources (using the definition of stealing as taking without paying for).

Yes, there is a fine line between stealing and copyright infringement, however, both are illegal.

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when did this get released lol ?

Yesterday.

And there it goes...

Least its given them lots of free advertising.

You mean publicity? So far, there doesn't seem to be any good advertising other than it's not worth paying for. Though, someone's mentioned that the figures are wrong. I'd like to see what they really are.

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Yesterday.

GS actually broke street date and released it last friday..so they released the pre-orders on monday and the offical street date was Tuesday 14th.

and i paid for it and think it was worth every penny even with current bugs, i hosted a 4v4 lastnight no problem at all and didnt drop a single person either, was a hell of a game.

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Whether you like it or not, it *is* stealing - you're stealing bandwidth and other server resources (when playing online). Those cost Stardock money to maintain, and anybody who has pirated the game is stealing those resources (using the definition of stealing as taking without paying for).

Yes, there is a fine line between stealing and copyright infringement, however, both are illegal.

No, its not stealing.

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Lot of pirates may not have the money to buy the game anyway.

Lot of pirates would not have brought it anyway.

Lot of pirates will play few times, then left the game to the dust.

Few pirates will buy the game if they like it.

Therefore, only a part of these are true lost customers.

It still a big money lost, for sure, and I don't condone piracy but if I would be a game creator, someway I would be happy to have my game played by 138 000 people than only 40 000. Making money is something, making people happy and knowing you did something useful to others is another thing. But in another view, seeing this may prevent company to develops more games. It may ruin company too.

At least, Stardock don't waste money on DRM software. We all know that it don't prevent lot of piracy.

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What also annoys me is how they are basing the fact that 18,000 people connected to the servers, not everyone has an internet connection and not everyone buys a game to play online, those figures are not the true representation of how many bought it.

Just more FUD about pirates.

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What also annoys me is how they are basing the fact that 18,000 people connected to the servers, not everyone has an internet connection and not everyone buys a game to play online, those figures are not the true representation of how many bought it.

Just more FUD about pirates.

why are you trying to defend pirate's? downloading software that costs money to buy is illegal anyway you put it, im not saying i've never downloaded anything because i have done my fair share of it but at the end of the day i know its wrong.

if you buy this game for single player...or even if you are thinking about it......dont....its not a single player game...compare it to buying UT for single player...even tho it had the mode...lets face it..it was meant to be played online.

i dont see how all this is annying you..if you want to know what happened with the whole situation headover to the demigod forums and read it there...it was released early by GS which wasnt a major deal until it was torrented the next day when alot of people downloaded it and tried to play it....there is checks in the game even in the intro (or were) that looked for updates for the game, now when you have 140k ppl connecting....even just checking for an update is going to cause server problems...especially since only the beta server was up during the weekend and was only meant for a small ammount of people. Nowhere on the SD forums is there a post complaining about pirates stealing their game or that they even care....what is bothering them is (or was at the time) that legit users couldnt play because of all the downloaded copys hammering the servers. im sure they arent thrilled about all the downloads but as a software creator i would imagine you would have to plan for it to happen now adays since almost everthing even with protection gets cracked and they knew this so its just a waste of money.

they know there are other conneciton issues at hand and are working on it but the pirates didnt help the matter at all... and they are not blameing them 100% for the problems.

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I was going to buy this game since it is supposed to be similar to DotA, which I'm a huge fan of. However, after watching some gameplay videos of the game on youtube I decided to pass. For the quality, it doesn't look like it's worth the money IMO.

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