Dashel Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) 1) Superbar a) No seperate containers for individually spawned applications - Example: With IE open, after spawning an In-Private session tabs are shown in the same container as 'normal' IE tabs Suggestion - Provide a 'Never combine, hide label' option b) Lacks a standard classic mode Workaround (xiphi) -Disable grouping -Remove all pinned icons -Add a custom toolbar to the quick launch folder "%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch" -Unlock the taskbar, right click the toolbar and uncheck "Show title" and "Show Text". 2) Toolbar integration with taskbar - WMP12's play controls are the smoking gun here. WMP11's bar was more functional and quicker to access (volume controls anyone?) Again I need an extra click to get started. I don't know why MS is afraid of one button access for anything but app launching. 3) Selective of what kinds of items can exist on the taskbar > Can't add a shortcut to VPN and other 'system' shortcuts. MS is dictating what can and can't be on the bar, something that the old way never prohibited. 4) Multi-monitor - Still can't select individual wallpaper or stretch across displays natively Workaround (ShawnB) Spanning wallpaper across multi-monitor setups. Step 1: figure out your total desktop resolution (2 monitors side-by-side at 1280x1024 = 2560x1024, for example) Step 2: create or resize an image to this exact resolution Step 3: set this image to your desktop and set the "picture position" to "Tile" Also if you want different wallpapers on each screen you can do the same thing: just create the large image and put the two monitor-sized images side-by-side on it. 5) Explorer a) No delete button in Explorer > Should mimic custom command options like Live Essentials. b) Additional/Replacement icon view options - Icon sizing found a couple notches under 'Medium Icons' as jump setting. Its great and unique, promote it. c) Sync and Recent Places icons can't be disabled/deleted once used. (bug?) d) 'Restore previous folders at logon' option Sorry for the misposts... Edited May 5, 2009 by Dashel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levant Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Folders in Explorer no longer remember their sizes, they open up to the size of the last opened Explorer window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 ^ I love that folders now inherit view settings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speeddemongto Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Not a total lover of the new style toolbar,actually like Vistas more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Denied Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Multi-monitor setup wallpaper management. This is something 7 needs. I don't understand how this could possibly not be thought of in the business mind set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 1) Superbar - While I love the jump list concept the rest of the updated taskbar seems to be made for mommies and daddies. While they may like to have 20+ windows open at a time (the new bar is great for such use), others like myself find it harder to locate windows we could normally access with one click (now takes 3 and the generally laggy process of finding the right thumbnail). Internet Explorer is the best example of this. If I have a main window open and spawn a InPrivate session all my tabs get mashed together.2) Toolbar integration with taskbar - WMP12's play controls are the smoking gun here. 3) Arbitrary 'pinnability' of items, can't single click a pinned folder or add a shortcut to VPN and other 'system' shortcuts. 4) Multi-monitor - Still can't select individual wallpaper or stretch across displays 5) No delete option in Explorer and I'm still trying to figure out how the preview pane will ever be needed. Additionally they are still missing the boat by not making the icon sizing found a couple notches under 'Medium Icons' a jump setting. Its great, promote it. Sorry for the posting screwup, I blame IE8. :p 1) If you don't like grouping, just disable it? 2) What about WMP12 buttons? Prev.Play/Pause.Next Simple? 3)Not sure what you mean here 4)can't comment but can imagine 5)Right click, delete? I use preview pane a lot to look through documents. Icon size preference is purely subjective. What you like may not be what others want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 Per 1, I recall that there used to be an IE option to limit this behavior but can't seem to locate it now. The problems still extends to other applications though. I agree, #5 has bias attached, I just don't see how they can remove basic filesystem options and regulate them to context menus but have room for previews. I find its far too small for document review and the user is most likely going to use other view options for media oriented folders. Just don't get why explorer doesn't have the same flexibility Live Essentials has when it comes to customizing available commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted April 28, 2009 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2009 For number 1, go to Internet Options > Tabs > untick "Show previews for individual tabs on the taskbar." I for one also like how Explorer applies one window size to all opened folders, and another size for Control Panel. Having 500 memorized folder window sizes in Vista was a mess. I also have mixed feelings about WMP12's transport controls on the thumbnail. One of the pluses for the old taskband bar was the song info popping up, the ability to seek and change volume without having to open the main window, and having a smaller always-on-top video window. Yes, this new solution saves space, but now you're forced to open the Now Playing window to do most of your tasks other than jumping forward/backward or pausing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l Ancient l Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Dashel, 1st You can disable grouping and revert to "standard" taskbar, like the one in XP or Vista.... Its all in the options.. 2nd Never use those, cuz I hardly use WPM at all... I find it primitive and bloated like IE7/8 and its also a resource hog compared to other players.. 3d Huh ??? 4th Cant tell anything about this... :( 5th No delete option in Explorer... huh.. Im sorry, please elaborate this for me, cuz you know rightclick -> delete or shift+delete... I dunno about preview pane, I use it and I think so do others, so whats wrong with it... Icon size.. eh, Im good with the existing icon sizes, its the large overlay arrow in the "classic" icons mode whats is bugging me... You know, the one that indicates that its a shortcut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XerXis Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 agree with number 2, I miss the old wmp taskbar player :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keen Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I find there to be a slight discrepancy between the middle mouse button action in the taskbar and in IE8, Firefox etc. That is, in the taskbar the middle click is used to duplicate but in web browsers to close. Naturally I stumbled on this by accidentally closing a tab in a web browser when instead I meant to duplicate it, as you would do in the taskbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kheldorin Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I find there to be a slight discrepancy between the middle mouse button action in the taskbar and in IE8, Firefox etc. That is, in the taskbar the middle click is used to duplicate but in web browsers to close.Naturally I stumbled on this by accidentally closing a tab in a web browser when instead I meant to duplicate it, as you would do in the taskbar. It makes sense as middle-clicking a link would open it in a new tab. In Firefox, I used middle-click to close a tab when it's clicked on a tab and open a new tab if it's on the "free-space". I wished IE8 would have that instead of having to click on the new tab button especially when the new tab button doesn't stay in the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g0rd0nF Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I really miss the "order by" header: they've removed it from all views but the "details" one... as it was in xp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda X Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Folders in Explorer no longer remember their sizes, they open up to the size of the last opened Explorer window... I actually like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenji Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I only have one. It isnt released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 There is no way to get the classic behavior of the taskbar. The closest approximation requires the following steps: Disable grouping Remove all pinned icons (cause they move around like retards once you start using them, plus you still can't just click to launch a new instance) Add a custom toolbar to the quick launch folder (%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch) Of course the dealbreaker here is that you can not just display icons for custom toolbars and the text clutters the whole bar unless you keep it collapsed which again requires two clicks and added navigation. Thanks rm, thats what I needed. I can only pray that all application developers include this option, especially browser vendors or any app that nests a lot of windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnB Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 In regards to #4 there is a good workaround for spanning wallpaper across multi-monitor setups. Step 1: figure out your total desktop resolution (2 monitors side-by-side at 1280x1024 = 2560x1024, for example) Step 2: create or resize an image to this exact resolution Step 3: set this image to your desktop and set the "picture position" to "Tile" Also if you want different wallpapers on each screen you can do the same thing: just create the large image and put the two monitor-sized images side-by-side on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xiphi Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 There is no way to get the classic behavior of the taskbar. The closest approximation requires the following steps:Disable grouping Remove all pinned icons (cause they move around like retards once you start using them, plus you still can't just click to launch a new instance) Add a custom toolbar to the quick launch folder (%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch) Of course the dealbreaker here is that you can not just display icons for custom toolbars and the text clutters the whole bar unless you keep it collapsed which again requires two clicks and added navigation. All you need to do is unlock the taskbar, right click the toolbar and uncheck "Show title" and "Show Text". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 Thanks xiphi! So it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorkand Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I find there to be a slight discrepancy between the middle mouse button action in the taskbar and in IE8, Firefox etc. That is, in the taskbar the middle click is used to duplicate but in web browsers to close.Naturally I stumbled on this by accidentally closing a tab in a web browser when instead I meant to duplicate it, as you would do in the taskbar. It is exactly the behaviour for the superbar. Middle mouse on the button (link) opens a new instance (tab). Middle mouse on the thumbnail (tab) closes the instance (tab). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblerFEXonlin Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 1. no file size summary in the "details pane." Only shows how many items. Now I have to select all files and choose properties and then i can see what size they use. 2. can't "breadcrumb" up to the desktop 3. few windows are actually affected when changing window color 4. must go to Advanced - Monitor to change screen refresh rate. 5. high dpi mode doesn't scale icons in task bar and notification area properly 6. gui not hardware accelerated. 7. can no longer close windows by right clicking their tab in task bar and pressing "c" on the keyboard. 8. long filenames are truncated and hidden. 9. Difficult to select files (not much space between file icons) 10. main window shadow too thick, hides too much of the windows behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Examinus Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Call me picky, but if you place WMP third on the Taskbar, the control buttons are 1 pixel off centre: Above boxes are the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notuptome2004 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 1. no file size summary in the "details pane." Only shows how many items. Now I have to select all files and choose properties and then i can see what size they use.2. can't "breadcrumb" up to the desktop 3. few windows are actually affected when changing window color 4. must go to Advanced - Monitor to change screen refresh rate. 5. high dpi mode doesn't scale icons in task bar and notification area properly 6. gui not hardware accelerated. 7. can no longer close windows by right clicking their tab in task bar and pressing "c" on the keyboard. 8. long filenames are truncated and hidden. 9. Difficult to select files (not much space between file icons) 10. main window shadow too thick, hides too much of the windows behind #6 umm wow your well misinformed if you think the GUI is not hardware accelerated as umm it is unless your running crappy GPU that cant do DX9 or 10 cause windows 7s interface running full on aero runs using DX10 graphics system if you run WDDM 1.1 drivers so i dont know where ya pulled that crap out of your UWho but wow # dont feel like commenting on anything else but #6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 1. no file size summary in the "details pane." Only shows how many items. Now I have to select all files and choose properties and then i can see what size they use. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ew2x4 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Whole-heartedly agree on multi-monitor wallpaper support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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