bauhaus Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) If rating a thread is abuse, so is posting a thread. And you could post more than 1 thread, while you can only rate a thread once. Which member privilege is more abused now? However the act of posting needs a more complex line of thought, also a more public approach. Every new thread or post that is just garbage is dealt with. That doesnt happen with bad ratings. Posting is not abused because the system to prevent problems is already implemented and works. Not so quite with ratings because is anonymous. Edited April 30, 2009 by bauhaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+shift. MVC Posted April 30, 2009 MVC Share Posted April 30, 2009 But the effect of a bad thread is greater than the effect of a low rating. I mean, if you read the thread title, and it interests you then read it and maybe comment on it. If you're reading threads just because they have a good / bad rating then that defeats the purpose of a forum and you might as well go on Digg or read an RSS Feed? Don't get me wrong, this rating system is in no way perfect, but it's not as big of a problem as you make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 But the effect of a bad thread is greater than the effect of a low rating. I mean, if you read the thread title, and it interests you then read it and maybe comment on it.If you're reading threads just because they have a good / bad rating then that defeats the purpose of a forum and you might as well go on Digg or read an RSS Feed? Don't get me wrong, this rating system is in no way perfect, but it's not as big of a problem as you make it out to be. It is my opinion that everything should be designed with a "only the necessary" mentality. For me these rating systems and postcounts are not neccesary, uses valuable resources that can be used elsewhere and in the end dont really add to the board experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Posting is not abused because the system to prevent problems is already implemented and works. Not so quite with ratings because is anonymous. And they should be. If nothing is affected, where's the possibility for abuse? The thread doesn't become unreadable if some jackass rates it low or high. The thread doesn't disappear. The only thing that happens is someone's ego takes a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 And they should be. If nothing is affected, where's the possibility for abuse? The thread doesn't become unreadable if some jackass rates it low or high. The thread doesn't disappear. The only thing that happens is someone's ego takes a hit. And again, what is the point of having the system if you are asking us to ignore it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 What's the point of having smileys for that matter? Or being able to use different colors, especially if some may suffer from color blindness, in which a post with different color fonts may make reading the post more of a problem? What's the point of being able to have a signature? Or aligning your signature to the left, right, or center even? I don't know, to tell you the truth. But people do get more of an enjoyment out of them, I can assure you. Some people rate threads based on how they feel the quality of the thread is. Some people rate a thread poorly because they hate Apple and it simply makes it feel better. Overall, it is for our ENJOYMENT. If you find no use in a feature on Windows, you... don't use it! I think that logic can very well be applied here as well. (Heh, if we continue this analogy further, you're on a limited account and removing the rating feature is restricted. Please contact your local system administrator in having this feature removed. Thank you!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 And again, what is the point of having the system if you are asking us to ignore it? I'm asking you to ignore it if it bothers you that people use it. People asked for it, and we implemented it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 What's the point of having smileys for that matter? Or being able to use different colors, especially if some may suffer from color blindness, in which a post with different color fonts may make reading the post more of a problem? What's the point of being able to have a signature? Or aligning your signature to the left, right, or center even?I don't know, to tell you the truth. But people do get more of an enjoyment out of them, I can assure you. Some people rate threads based on how they feel the quality of the thread is. Some people rate a thread poorly because they hate Apple and it simply makes it feel better. Overall, it is for our ENJOYMENT. If you find no use in a feature on Windows, you... don't use it! I think that logic can very well be applied here as well. (Heh, if we continue this analogy further, you're on a limited account and removing the rating feature is restricted. Please contact your local system administrator in having this feature removed. Thank you!) Avatars and signatures, well, they do reflect the a little of the poster's personality and keep the forum to beign monotone. They have a function. Colors and emoticons help some people to get their point across and to add an emotive context, without emoticons the interpretation of the messages in a forum would be highly off because it's neutrality. But honestly, do the rating system brings such enjoyment? Well, maybe for some people, I dont know, I cant see the satisfaction in those stars or in those numbers we know as postcounts. Seems irrelevant, even shallow. I'm asking you to ignore it if it bothers you that people use it. People asked for it, and we implemented it. Those were the majority? Because in this thread I see more people that dont like it that people than like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I cant see the satisfaction in those stars or in those numbers we know as postcounts. Seems irrelevant, even shallow. +1 Those were the majority? Because in this thread I see more people that dont like it that people than like it. They were the VOCAL majority. Anyway, people aren't saying they don't like them, they're saying they don't like them when people vote against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 +1They were the VOCAL majority. Anyway, people aren't saying they don't like them, they're saying they don't like them when people vote against them. Ok, I got it, I cant win this one. I will just move along then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZonoBurk Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Ok, I got it, I cant win this one. I will just move along then. What are you trying to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Ok, I got it, I cant win this one. I will just move along then. Unfortunately, that's true. The only way anyone can win is to make everyone completely happy. You can guess how easy that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 What are you trying to win? A more clean and neutral forum free of a rating system that is devoid of any complex criticism, ergo, any valuable feedback. The only thing, in my opinion, this system accomplish is fuel for fanboys wars and popularity contests. Unfortunately, that's true. The only way anyone can win is to make everyone completely happy. You can guess how easy that is. I know you guys have a hard time. But seeing that even some of you at the staff dont really see the point of having such systems I cant but wonder if that is just something to please the childish crowd in this forum. Is that really the kind of people you want in here? The people who argue that their console/browser/or OS is the best and everything else just "sux"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Funny the amount of threads getting one-star ratings increased by like 1200% after this thread was created :laugh: :shiftyninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunamonkey Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 one star is better than no stars :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted April 30, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted April 30, 2009 The best way to combat the issue for now, is just rate every thread you see in the top that is a 1 to a 5 or something. It will balance things out and make the annoying little user go away. He/she will eventually get tired or caught soon enough. Some people have nothing better to do than go around rating all threads on Neowin a 1. I hope they sleep better at night knowing that hours of work rating threads a 1 can easily be undone with a few clicks of the mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Here's an idea! Just do this with all the star images and there you have it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+shift. MVC Posted May 1, 2009 MVC Share Posted May 1, 2009 I think the OP is making an issue out of a relatively non-issue, maybe there's something better to do than complain about how childish the people on these forums are and a bunch of stars on a webpage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grasshopper Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I just added a rating star...HAHAHAHA. take that haters of stars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 1, 2009 Okay, here's the deal on this. We aren't going to remove the thread rating system as long as we are using IPB 2.x even if they work better on some areas of the site than others. The main reason for this is that we expect the thread rating system to change drastically on IPB 3.x and there seems to be little point in making a significant change and potentially upset a different group of people just for a temporary reprieve. We would like to ask you for a few months worth of patience while we await IPB 3.x to finalize and then we can revisit this subject at that time. We've run this way for quite some time now and a few more months should not make much of a difference (I realize that it is annoying to some of you). Hopefully that update will settle this issue and make everybody, most people, somebody happy. [Thread Closed] (for now anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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