Bhavesh Dhaka Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I have hit a wall. I installed kb958559 on Win 7 RC. However, even after installing the update, and building the XP SP3 VHD (manually, because the link does not work), XP SP3 still needs an update which will allow application publishing. The "Auto Publish" setting is still grayed out because the virtual operating system does not have the required update that will enable the applications to be shared. More info on this here - http://download.microsoft.com/download/A/1..._Eval_Guide.doc So XPM is not completely leaked. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I have hit a wall.I installed kb958559 on Win 7 RC. However, even after installing the update, and building the XP SP3 VHD (manually, because the link does not work), XP SP3 still needs an update which will allow application publishing. The "Auto Publish" setting is still grayed out because the virtual operating system does not have the required update that will enable the applications to be shared. More info on this here - http://download.microsoft.com/download/A/1..._Eval_Guide.doc So XPM is not completely leaked. Duh. Ah oh well, I'll just go back to Virtualbox which allows me to have the XP taskbar ontop of the Win7 taskbar and access to all the XP apps. Even works with Linux. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Excuse my ignorance with this .. but you can already install virtual machines in Win 7 via the 'Disk Management' dialogs .. or that's what I think is implied there. I've not tested that by the way .. I suppose the difference is with this new feature you get a free copy of XP to fiddle with! .. apart from that whats new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.G Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 You can mount existing vhd's via the management console like any other drive/image but not install new guest systems. This just proves that the current included application compatability mode is virtually worthless if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 You wouldn't feel that way if it went away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 You can mount existing vhd's via the management console like any other drive/image but not install new guest systems. Ahh .. yes I see what you mean. Thanks for clarifying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 :/ Virtualbox is better.. got everything installed and it's basically VirtualPC with RDP protocols built into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyang Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 This is hilarious. After asking for so long for MS to find some way to provide true backwards compatibility without loading down the OS with "Extra" code, they finally do so, for free no less, the instant reaction is, "Meh, seen/have better." Of course there's nothing super special about the technology itself. What's special is the fact that MS is finally pushing and supporting it, like it should. To others who have no need to run older applications, of course there's no point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 LOL Bluescreened while trying to start up XP's VPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhavesh Dhaka Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Ahh .. yes I see what you mean. Thanks for clarifying that. New OS can be installed, just mount your ISO... Existing VHDs can be used. However, the update patch that enables Application Publishing for XP SP3 is not leaked/released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 This is hilarious. After asking for so long for MS to find some way to provide true backwards compatibility without loading down the OS with "Extra" code, they finally do so, for free no less, the instant reaction is, "Meh, seen/have better."Of course there's nothing super special about the technology itself. What's special is the fact that MS is finally pushing and supporting it, like it should. To others who have no need to run older applications, of course there's no point... Your missing the point, it's a half-assed attempt at best. People who need virtualization have so many better options out there than this. For instance, here is Virtualbox, running in seamless mode, of which VirtualPC/VirtualXP has a quarter of the performance capabilities. The additions are also half assed, I could even do them myself by RDPing into VirtualPC 2007, and allow Remote Desktop to accelerate the desktop composition. It's a nice attempt, but it's a half-assed attempt at a solution that has been out for a decade now. Although, I need to hand it to Microsoft, they streamlined the experience of creating virtual machines, I've been working with virtualization for years and this is the easiest I've ever seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segobi Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Your missing the point, it's a half-assed attempt at best. People who need virtualization have so many better options out there than this. For instance, here is Virtualbox, running in seamless mode, of which VirtualPC/VirtualXP has a quarter of the performance capabilities. The additions are also half assed, I could even do them myself by RDPing into VirtualPC 2007, and allow Remote Desktop to accelerate the desktop composition.It's a nice attempt, but it's a half-assed attempt at a solution that has been out for a decade now. Although, I need to hand it to Microsoft, they streamlined the experience of creating virtual machines, I've been working with virtualization for years and this is the easiest I've ever seen it. nice to see virtualbox already has that feature lol :) Maybe MS has some super cool resource management...let's compare when its finally out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 nice to see virtualbox already has that feature lol :) Maybe MS has some super cool resource management...let's compare when its finally out.... I hope so, because when it comes down to performance, there really isn't a comparison between the two, VirtualPC is incredibly slow compared to even VMWare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segobi Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I hope so, because when it comes down to performance, there really isn't a comparison between the two, VirtualPC is incredibly slow compared to even VMWare. hmm :( well it users hyper-v or VT at least... also im sure that running an application using virtual pc 7 in xp mode will not have to start xp all the time ? Or is it just putting xp to sleep while its not used. At least the sleep and wakeup is instantly in vpc 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 hmm :( well it users hyper-v or VT at least...also im sure that running an application using virtual pc 7 in xp mode will not have to start xp all the time ? Or is it just putting xp to sleep while its not used. At least the sleep and wakeup is instantly in vpc 7 Not overly sure, it's too early to tell, but from what I've seen already, it appears that you may need to start VirtualXP everytime you start up 7, although I'm sure if your putting Win7 into hibernation, there won't be a need to shut down XP's virtual machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segobi Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Not overly sure, it's too early to tell, but from what I've seen already, it appears that you may need to start VirtualXP everytime you start up 7, although I'm sure if your putting Win7 into hibernation, there won't be a need to shut down XP's virtual machine. virtualbox does not integrate apps to your hosts programs menu :) well thats a benefit isn't it... my instant reaction to the xp mode was thinking that its a cheap cheat... however i think most users will only require it for a very few amount of apps ... most xp stuff works in vista and 7 now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 virtualbox does not integrate apps to your hosts programs menu :) well thats a benefit isn't it...my instant reaction to the xp mode was thinking that its a cheap cheat... however i think most users will only require it for a very few amount of apps ... most xp stuff works in vista and 7 now... Yup, pretty much, and on that note back to XP I go, cause I'm blue screening like crazy, and I think it might have something to do with the VPC leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam20 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Looks like XPM has just been posted to MSDN but looks like they've got some issues as I cannot download now, must be everyone rushing for the Windows 7 RC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrmgic Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 It it has been posted, I'll just grab it when I get to the office.. our software monkeys are probably already downloading everything now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'd be very cautious, I'm unsure at this point but I think Windows Virtual PC's drivers are causing bluescreens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagpus Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 No blue screens here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 No blue screens here...... Did you install XP into a virtual machine, and if you did, did you install the integration services on your virtual machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagpus Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I installed XP in a Virtual Machine and ran tools.install integration features and no problems as all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I installed XP in a Virtual Machine and ran tools.install integration features and no problems as all. hmm.. Well I never experienced a problem in Win 7 until I installed Windows Virtual PC, and never bluescreened on this machine until then, then I'll have to lay the blame on Windows Virtual PC, sure you might've gotten lucky and not had problems, but that doesn't mean that I haven't. If I can voice my opinion for a second, that's what drives me absolutely crazy about this forum, you can have an individual that has a problem with his PC with something and come to the forums for help, but as soon as he/she posts the problems, you get a bunch of people who post "Well I dont have any problems el oh el". This isn't an attack on you, it's just a general rant.. However to help you reproduce this, if you can.. Listen to music in foobar 2000, while listening to music, start an XP virtual machine and fiddle around with Firefox. It was around that time I started having issues with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhavesh Dhaka Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Has anyone able to enable the "Auto Publish" after building a XP SP3 vhd from scratch? Please enlighten. I can successfully run the integration tools, access drives/mouse et al, but have not been able to publish apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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