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I wrote Paul about Win7 and the UI thing... in his response email he said that he heard (did not disclose the source) that the UI or theme/skin or whatever is coming, but he did say it's only a rumor...??? and that it probably would not show up in RC...do with what you will with this info!

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The thing with Microsoft is that a lot of times they pull out things so there is no exact way to know whether this rumor is true or not.

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The thing with Microsoft is that a lot of times they pull out things so there is no exact way to know whether this rumor is true or not.

I agree, but I'm hoping that win7 looks much more diferent that vista... so far it's vista 1.5... and it's too bad, because Win7 flies.

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Microsoft won't release a new UI this late in the game. Simple as that. The RC has no new UI, and if it's a true RC, then it's something they're already considering putting on the market.

No one could pull off a new UI with something so mature. Developers can now safely work on Windows 7 and start designing stuff for it. Plus a completely new UI would likely have a lot of bugs and usability issues that need addressing.

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Microsoft won't release a new UI this late in the game. Simple as that. The RC has no new UI, and if it's a true RC, then it's something they're already considering putting on the market.

No one could pull off a new UI with something so mature. Developers can now safely work on Windows 7 and start designing stuff for it. Plus a completely new UI would likely have a lot of bugs and usability issues that need addressing.

Can you say this about a new skin? - forget UI - I personally think Paul meant skin or theme.

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Microsoft won't release a new UI this late in the game. Simple as that. The RC has no new UI, and if it's a true RC, then it's something they're already considering putting on the market.

No one could pull off a new UI with something so mature. Developers can now safely work on Windows 7 and start designing stuff for it. Plus a completely new UI would likely have a lot of bugs and usability issues that need addressing.

LOL I love it when people talk with 110% assurance of things, as if they know exactly what's going on in Microsoft HQ.

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i would venture to say new themes/skins could be possible, but they won't have much affect on the UI in general (other than aesthetics) since we have come to RC...

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LOL I love it when people talk with 110% assurance of things, as if they know exactly what's going on in Microsoft HQ.

And yet, some of the people on this site actually DO know exactly what's going on in MS HQ...but they generally don't reveal secrets.

I personally believe that Paul used the words "UI" too loosely. As Stardock has shown, Windows can have many themes. And as MS has shown with the Royale (black, etc.) theme for XP, they are known to experiment, even if they ultimately decide to only release a new theme long after the official RTM release.

Let's see what happens this time, shall we?

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I agree, but I'm hoping that win7 looks much more diferent that vista... so far it's vista 1.5... and it's too bad, because Win7 flies.

Did you never use Windows 98 and Windows ME?

The UI doesn't change for the sake of consistency. People moaned and complained that Vista was "too different" from XP in terms of looks and designs, and they had to relearn everything. Now, people are complaining that Windows 7 is "too similar" to Vista?

The UI only changes when it needs to. Windows 7 is an evolutionary release, not revolutionary, and thus there's nothing that needs to changed. The UI is functional and works.

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Did you never use Windows 98 and Windows ME?

The UI doesn't change for the sake of consistency. People moaned and complained that Vista was "too different" from XP in terms of looks and designs, and they had to relearn everything. Now, people are complaining that Windows 7 is "too similar" to Vista?

The UI only changes when it needs to. Windows 7 is an evolutionary release, not revolutionary, and thus there's nothing that needs to changed. The UI is functional and works.

People loved win98 etc... and its UI... 98 was a success for both enthusiasts and average Joes. Can you say the same for Vista???? ? Vista is something I think MS would want to run away from?so your win98 argument does not stand as it was perceived completely different in the market than Vista.

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Why oh why do people think that a new OS should also have a new UI? A new OS is more then just the UI. It contains bug fixes from the past OS, new functions and features and sometimes an altered UI instead of a complete new one.

Because Microsoft is keeping the look from Vista (yet a bit modified), people will feel more familiar with it.

I think that the current UI from Windows 7 is perfect. The small changes that Microsoft made really gave Aero a fresh look :)

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Can you say this about a new skin? - forget UI - I personally think Paul meant skin or theme.

I think it's very easily doable on top of the DWM framework that runs Aero, without making any changes, thus ensuring 100% compatibility. If they did it that way they'd be able to keep it under wraps for a while. I think it's doable/likely.

In saying that, I also think that they wouldn't have put so much effort into the current UI if they were going to put a new one in. But you never know - Paul seems to be getting alot right lately :)

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People loved win98 etc... and its UI... 98 was a success for both enthusiasts and average Joes. Can you say the same for Vista???? ? Vista is something I think MS would want to run away from?so your win98 argument does not stand as it was perceived completely different in the market than Vista.

Yes, I can. Vista was a success in terms of sales. There were perceived compatibility issues, some of which were true, most of which weren't.

Just like XP.

Do you not remember the fervor when XP was first released? How people hated everything about it, from the user interface to the incompatibilities? Over time, XP was more accepted, and the same thing has happened with Vista.

It doesn't matter what OS Microsoft releases. There are always skeptics early on. It's just that by the time Vista was released, there were more morons than every with blogs who believed themselves to be certified IT professionals, and thus felt their opinion was somehow founded in reality.

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Yes, I can. Vista was a success in terms of sales.

Of coarse it was successful in terms of sales; you buy a new computer MS sells a copy of Windows. In customer satisfaction it certainly wasn't a success, Dell and other names calling for a downgrade and the extension to XP's life should have taught everyone that!

Back to the original topic I can't imagine any software developer making major changes this late in the game and a new or revamped UI is a major change. That being said I wonder what happened to the UI that was meant to be in Vista all those years ago......?

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Microsoft won't release a new UI this late in the game. Simple as that. The RC has no new UI, and if it's a true RC, then it's something they're already considering putting on the market.

No one could pull off a new UI with something so mature. Developers can now safely work on Windows 7 and start designing stuff for it. Plus a completely new UI would likely have a lot of bugs and usability issues that need addressing.

The UI has so many facets that changing any one could have a drastic new look. It is possible but not likely that it would encompass the whole UI. However, I'm definitely looking forward to something new. How about a whole new theme with a complete new set of icons. That is doable. Plus they could do other minor enhancements. Hopefully there will be something new for the RTM.

I agree with another post that Winsows 7 looks too much like Vista 1.5

Although the new "XP Mode" is fantastic, the feature will only be used by very few non-business users, as it's mostly geared towards business, allowing them to upgrade from XP.

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If they were serious about better support for netbooks, they should've made a more compact/minimalist theme so buttons and borders don't fill up a quarter of the screen.

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btw...

i have a slow system.. and vista was damn slow for me.. but i dun blame vista..

i think microsoft knows everyone got DDR2 .. dual cores..

so they made a system which uses all that..

but now they refined it to make it work on even slower systems..

and as for the skin.theme..

i think..

makin new set of buttons and givin a similar style to all the icons and buttons..

changing colors of highlights and all..

and u get a new theme :)

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Windows 7 UI should and most likely will remain unchanged at this stage.

I just hope Microsoft are developing a resolution independent vector based UI for Windows 8.

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Of coarse it was successful in terms of sales; you buy a new computer MS sells a copy of Windows. In customer satisfaction it certainly wasn't a success, Dell and other names calling for a downgrade and the extension to XP's life should have taught everyone that!

Back to the original topic I can't imagine any software developer making major changes this late in the game and a new or revamped UI is a major change. That being said I wonder what happened to the UI that was meant to be in Vista all those years ago......?

The offering of XP licenses was primarily for small businesses that have software that wasn't yet updated for use on Vista. It's not that the OS was bad, it's just that businesses rarely upgrade unless absolutely necessary.

End users were offered XP as a choice, but to my knowledge, a relatively small number of end users actually bought those "downgrade licenses."

Seriously, what you read and hear about on the Internet is a tiny fraction compared to the overall user base. And the overall user base is fine with Vista. As usual, you don't hear from the majority. You only hear from a disgruntled minority.

And it's not just Microsoft. There are a vocal minority that hate Mac OS X Leopard and prefer Tiger, there are others who hate what Linux has become, etc. There are always going to be people that hate change, and prefer to stick to things that they've grown used to.

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im still amazed that people still think thurrott is a good source, he's an idiot and everything he says is taken with a pinch of salt tbh

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im still amazed that people still think thurrott is a good source, he's an idiot and everything he says is taken with a pinch of salt tbh

Actually, I think he's rather accurate on a lot of things. I usually agree with his reviews, for example.

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jealous and bitter ? get real he used to have valid reasons and what not now he just spouts utter pap look at the new UI thing for windows 7 that my friend is PAP

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someone seems a bit jealous and bitter.

Or...Thurrott is an idiot and everything he says is to be taken with a pinch of salt. He used to write decent articles, now he just spews crap. Why the hell would anyone be jealous and bitter over Paul Thurrott?

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