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To me Vista was the best OS Microsoft has ever created (at the time it came out)

Worked flawless for me, and was always fast.

I agree

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Is Paul Thurrott full of it about a possible new UI in Windows 7?

Here is a name for you to ponder, Julie Larsen Green.

She is the person responsible for the way Office 2007 looks and works.

Steven Sinofsky recalls that Julie Larsen Green was a staunch advocate for rethinking the way Office worked and, more importantly, the way users wanted it to work. He goes on to say "She recruited me to do something bold to change the UI of Office. I was very sceptical at first - my feeling was that we would never be bold enough to actually make a real change, that really what we were talking about was doing some other incremental bandaid on top of the way things used to work. But Julie really sold me on the idea that she was really serious about trying to understand the problems with the UI, and if we can understand it and can come up with the idea, that we can go and do it."

Steven Sinofsky continues to say "Julie is definitely a champion of building great user experiences, which espouse great design values. "

And now she's got the same job on the Windows 7 team!

So again I say is Paul Thurrott full of it about a possible new UI in Windows 7? Hmmmm?

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Is Paul Thurrott full of it about a possible new UI in Windows 7?

Here is a name for you to ponder, Julie Larsen Green.

She is the person responsible for the way Office 2007 looks and works.

Steven Sinofsky recalls that Julie Larsen Green was a staunch advocate for rethinking the way Office worked and, more importantly, the way users wanted it to work. He goes on to say "She recruited me to do something bold to change the UI of Office. I was very sceptical at first - my feeling was that we would never be bold enough to actually make a real change, that really what we were talking about was doing some other incremental bandaid on top of the way things used to work. But Julie really sold me on the idea that she was really serious about trying to understand the problems with the UI, and if we can understand it and can come up with the idea, that we can go and do it."

Steven Sinofsky continues to say "Julie is definitely a champion of building great user experiences, which espouse great design values. "

And now she's got the same job on the Windows 7 team!

So again I say is Paul Thurrott full of it about a possible new UI in Windows 7? Hmmmm?

ok you mean to tell me that they will put a new UI after the RC when it goes RTM ? are you insane lol

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Or...Thurrott is an idiot and everything he says is to be taken with a pinch of salt. He used to write decent articles, now he just spews crap. Why the hell would anyone be jealous and bitter over Paul Thurrott?

QFT +1 FTW

I will bring up some reasons I don't take the guy seriously:

1.) He's getting all this attention for the "XP mode" stuff in Windows 7. Look at the other name that's given credit in that article of his. Who do you really think did all the work there?

2.) Go back to his articles during the Vista days. Especially his "boycott IE 7" article. You'll see how he gets info out of Microsoft. He'll pick something to attack like that just to get Microsoft to contact him with some kind of exclusive.

3.) He once got some attention for using a non-genuine copy of XP and said he didn't know it wasn't genuine. He's known for writing these tech articles and can't tell that his copy of XP wasn't genuine? :rolleyes:

4.) Don't know if he still does it, but he was using small images of his face as a rating system at one point. He thinks too highly of himself and takes himself way too seriously.

Stopping here before I go into a rant that would fill a whole page. The only way Microsoft could pull off a new UI after RC is if they've been working on it and testing it in complete secret for a while now and had it planned as a surprise. Something like that would be impossible to pull off these days without something leaking out.

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I see there are still skeptics!

Remember that Magic Tricksters saying "Nothing Up My Sleeve".

That said Read my friends:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21342/Larson-G...r_the_Computer_

What part of RC do you not understand ? they would have put it in the many beta builds for beta testers to test if they where going todo a whole new UI, to say that they will put one in after the RC is just nuts

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QFT +1 FTW

I will bring up some reasons I don't take the guy seriously:

Totally and completely agree!

Could't say it better

Besides, who died and made Paul the Windows expert?

It?s all about the money

It?s all about the dum dum duh dee dum dum

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What part of RC do you not understand ? they would have put it in the many beta builds for beta testers to test if they where going todo a whole new UI, to say that they will put one in after the RC is just nuts

Julie Larson Green on Windows 7 and its UI Changes:

"Build an operating system that doesn't require people to take computer classes or master thick manuals"

Nuff Said....

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Julie Larson Green on Windows 7 and its UI Changes:

"Build an operating system that doesn't require people to take computer classes or master thick manuals"

Nuff Said....

Either you quoted the wrong person, or that's not "Nuff Said"

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Uhm, did you actually read the article you link to, Cool Hand Luke? It's about Office 2007, and the changes that are already in Windows 7. It is not talking about anything new that will be introduced.

Windows 7 is effectively done, and you'll have to live with it until Windows 8.

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Uhm, did you actually read the article you link to, Cool Hand Luke? It's about Office 2007, and the changes that are already in Windows 7. It is not talking about anything new that will be introduced.

Windows 7 is effectively done, and you'll have to live with it until Windows 8.

Yes the User Interface of Windows 7 as far as Function-Code for the most part is feature complete. But the Graphic User Interface is still an option that can and will most likely change. Do you really think Julie Larson Green has come this far in Windows 7 only to have Vista's Graphic User Interface as Windows 7 RTM?

I think not....

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Either you quoted the wrong person, or that's not "Nuff Said"

On a Funny Learning Note:

"Nuff Said" is a acronym for Enough Said or Shut the F#$#$# Up-I'm Done! :)

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Yes the User Interface of Windows 7 as far as Function-Code for the most part is feature complete. But the Graphic User Interface is still an option that can and will most likely change. Do you really think Julie Larson Green has come this far in Windows 7 only to have Vista's Graphic User Interface as Windows 7 RTM?

Yes. She is not dumb enough to make substantial changes that require comprehensive testing in a product that has already reached the release candidate stage (ie is finished, and only showstopper bugs will be fixed). Even something seemingly simple like a new visual style that doesn't change the UI requires testing. Also, the GUI is not separate and independent from what you call "Function-Code," and any changes made to the user interface by restructuring or redesigning it affects third party software.

To say that Windows 7's UI is the same as Vista is a bit unfair, there are a few changes, the most visible one being the new taskbar. What Larson-Green probably understands is that change just for the sake of change isn't a good idea, there has to be justification for it. You don't just randomly redesign to "make it different from Vista."

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Yes the User Interface of Windows 7 as far as Function-Code for the most part is feature complete. But the Graphic User Interface is still an option that can and will most likely change. Do you really think Julie Larson Green has come this far in Windows 7 only to have Vista's Graphic User Interface as Windows 7 RTM?

I think not....

No. The GUI is not an option that can change. This is because Windows 7 is at RC. You don't change things after RC. RC is essentially feature complete and pretty final bugtesting. A GUI change, minor or radical represents a large change that would invalidate the previous Beta and RC testing done to date. Microsoft aren't that stupid - they've been developing software for quite a while and know a thing or to. If there was a GUI change coming, there wouldn't be an RC. Equally, dwelling on something raised earlier in the thread - you just can't keep some things secret. If there was a GUI change, it would be leaked and out there in some shape or form. Even a company as large and powerful as Microsoft can't keep utter secrecy on things like that, when a GUI change involves hundreds of programmers, artists, end testers.

It's not going to happen. Sorry.

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im still amazed that people still think thurrott is a good source, he's an idiot and everything he says is taken with a pinch of salt tbh

Agree. The man is a self-righteous ######.

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On a Funny Learning Note:

"Nuff Said" is a acronym for Enough Said or Shut the F#$#$# Up-I'm Done! :)

When someone puts a negation word before it, it means "Not Enough Said" or "Elaborate or STFU."

Speaking of "Funny Learning Notes," please learn what an acronym is.

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When someone puts a negation word before it, it means "Not Enough Said" or "Elaborate or STFU."

Speaking of "Funny Learning Note's," please learn what an acronym is.

Acronym is abbreviations that are formed using the initial components in a phrase or name. These components may be individual letters or parts of words. There is no universal agreement on the precise definition of the various terms, nor on written usage. While popular in recent English, such abbreviations have historical use in English, as well as other languages. As a type of word formation process, acronyms are viewed as a subtype of blending.

For example here is a acronym for you to personally ponder over: "FOAD".....Enjoy! :)

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Acronym is abbreviations that are formed using the initial components in a phrase or name. These components may be individual letters or parts of words. There is no universal agreement on the precise definition of the various terms, nor on written usage. While popular in recent English, such abbreviations have historical use in English, as well as other languages. As a type of word formation process, acronyms are viewed as a subtype of blending.

For example here is a acronym for you to personally ponder over: "FOAD".....Enjoy! :)

Now apply that definition to "Nuff Said."

Terms that would apply to "Nuff Said" are; Colloquialism and Abbreviation (I think is what you were looking for).

I'm happy to continue this lesson in English by personal message, but please, let's not hijack the thread any further.

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There won't be a new skin this late in development.

RC = as close as possible to being finished without actually being finished, it's called a release candidate because it's quite possible to release on that build.

These terms aren't just got fun, they actually have meaning to them.

Edit: If there was going to be a new theme, you'd see it in a beta build, not in an RC build.

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New skin is very easy to do...all they need to do is to replace shell32.dll and few other dlls and style theme (couple files). At this point not likely, but you never know. New skin doesn't change RC code wise. Also i am sure there will be new set of icons and sound scheme.

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There won't be a new skin this late in development.

RC = as close as possible to being finished without actually being finished, it's called a release candidate because it's quite possible to release on that build.

These terms aren't just got fun, they actually have meaning to them.

Edit: If there was going to be a new theme, you'd see it in a beta build, not in an RC build.

I?m not saying that there will be a skin change? but how do you know, there is another internal RC schedule, and MS can change things during now and then. No one really knows.

I see what you mean though, it?s not likely and there is weight on it being RC? but this RC will not be final code no matter what happens because like I said there is another RC planned.

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No. The GUI is not an option that can change. This is because Windows 7 is at RC. You don't change things after RC. RC is essentially feature complete and pretty final bugtesting. A GUI change, minor or radical represents a large change that would invalidate the previous Beta and RC testing done to date. Microsoft aren't that stupid - they've been developing software for quite a while and know a thing or to. If there was a GUI change coming, there wouldn't be an RC. Equally, dwelling on something raised earlier in the thread - you just can't keep some things secret. If there was a GUI change, it would be leaked and out there in some shape or form. Even a company as large and powerful as Microsoft can't keep utter secrecy on things like that, when a GUI change involves hundreds of programmers, artists, end testers.

It's not going to happen. Sorry.

Obviously you don't know programming. They can throw any GUI they want very easy as long as GUI will present same data as current UI. Meaning you can move stupid text box to any place of the screen, all what matters is name of that text box called by code. Changing UI doesn't break your code. It is presentation layer they are dealing with.

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