Who did this and why aren't they fired?


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Well yeah, if Adobe were to (and heaven forbid, I'd tell ya) adopt a ribbon system for photoshop, I'll be pretty ticked off. I'm so used to the way photoshop is designed now for them to make a switch to ribbon, but then again, I am finding it a very hard time to picture photoshop as ribbon.

As for the user-friendly interface, this will most definitely work. A person, new to the computer, getting windows 7, of course will have to take time to learn how ribbon works, but it will easily master it.

Adobe, specially Photoshop are one of those apps that are so well positioned into the collective knowledge that someone with just basic computer experience can understand it. Something like the coca-cola example: In most parts of the world the pure mention of the word "soda" will make people to think about coca-cola.

Dont worry, they will NEVER modify Photoshop's UI, at least not radically.

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i only saw Ribbon on office, only starting to get used to stuff there in office after like a year... things aren't easy to find anymore for me, its just random clicking all over the place till i find stuff.. looks nice, but menu's were more efficient for me

and for paint, meh what a waste.

Well for you my friend then its going to get worse! Because the person who designed that Office Ribbon Interface is now the person in Charge of Windows 7 User Interface and the future Windows 8.

Who is this person?

http://www.osnews.com/story/21342/Larson-G...r_the_Computer_

I personally think its innovative and simple to use, but thats just me.

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I love the ribbon interface but I wish they would have stuck to the Office 07 style (title centred, first functional icon in line with the first tab).

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How on gods earth is this suppose to be user friendly? Its just a bunch of icons thrown everywhere. It might have worked for office, but my god, what an eye sore.

I think the ribbon interface is just plain ugly and doesn't work well for me. I like the old menu interfaces better and is the reason I stuck with Office 2003 and use the versions of paint and wordpad from Vista.

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The ribbon might not make a lot of sense to a veteran user because you know and understand how the interface is supposed to work (no matter how complex it is), but I guess you found out by trial and error and lots of perseverance.

For the average user this scenario is far from ideal, they don't want to spend time to learn about how the program works, they want to start working right away and the ribbon makes this possible.

When you bury the programs function in menus and sub menus you require the user to have a certain knowledge and you have to expect that he will understand the names of your functions. With the ribbon you remove that barrier, the icons and the tabs are clearer and the user doesn't feel like most of the program's function are hidden.

For a power user it is simply a matter of getting used to the ribbon and it doesn't take a lot of time honestly if you think about it while for the average user it's a way to be effective even if you never used the program once before.

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I've never liked the new Internet explorer or office because I don't like wasted space and I like to have labels with my icons. Internet explorer just has so much wasted space at the top of the page unless you go full screen with it. My firefox is filled with the bookmarks toolbar, navigation items, etc which is the way I prefer it. Functionality over style. Plus I'm a mouse navigator especially when I lay here in bed with my laptop (as opposed to someone who does things using mostly keystrokes)

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I've never liked the new Internet explorer or office because I don't like wasted space and I like to have labels with my icons. Internet explorer just has so much wasted space at the top of the page unless you go full screen with it. My firefox is filled with the bookmarks toolbar, navigation items, etc which is the way I prefer it. Functionality over style. Plus I'm a mouse navigator especially when I lay here in bed with my laptop (as opposed to someone who does things using mostly keystrokes)

So why dont you add them to internet explorer?

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Meh, my daily use of Paint is for screenshots, and thats easy enough.

Print Screen

WinKey+R

mspaint

CTRL+E

1 [tab] 1

CTRL+V

[Make any adjustments]

CTRL+S

Type Name

ALT+F4

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We're complaining about MS Paint now?!

MS PAINT.. of all things?

haha +1 here..

even if microsoft gives us a very good operating system which 7 promises to be. people will take hte smallest thing they can find and complain about it. MS pain today, mine sweeper tomorrow

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I might ask you similar question - who are you and wtf are you doing here? That makes total sense. Ever heard of standardizing interface? And ffs, if you cant understand what that diskette icon and arrows mean then i dont know...

I can tell you now, the average user will look at that and go wtf is going on? Why isn't the title on the topbar like usual. Why is there a seperator? Why is there no File | Edit ?

...and you can't say its standarzing when things like Explorer aren't anything like that.

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The ribbon might not make a lot of sense to a veteran user because you know and understand how the interface is supposed to work (no matter how complex it is), but I guess you found out by trial and error and lots of perseverance.

For the average user this scenario is far from ideal, they don't want to spend time to learn about how the program works, they want to start working right away and the ribbon makes this possible.

When you bury the programs function in menus and sub menus you require the user to have a certain knowledge and you have to expect that he will understand the names of your functions. With the ribbon you remove that barrier, the icons and the tabs are clearer and the user doesn't feel like most of the program's function are hidden.

For a power user it is simply a matter of getting used to the ribbon and it doesn't take a lot of time honestly if you think about it while for the average user it's a way to be effective even if you never used the program once before.

You make it sound like ribbon could fix Maya's interface :D Just joking, totally agree with that.

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Paint can do faster the most simple image works, like a quick croping.

There is nothing wrong with MS Paint. It is easy to use. Try using Adobe Master Collection CS4 if you want to see something complicated.

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I can tell you now, the average user will look at that and go wtf is going on? Why isn't the title on the topbar like usual. Why is there a seperator? Why is there no File | Edit ?

...and you can't say its standarzing when things like Explorer aren't anything like that.

There is no menu bar in explorer enabled by default, no "normal" file, edit, view ect. Some folk just can't stop living in the past and/or expect that things should never change. It's a button with an icon, I fail to see what all the fuss is about. It doesn't detract from any of the functionality of the application, it doesn't even make it difficult to use. I suppose some people will whine about anything no matter how petty.

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It's necessary to put Undo and Redo in the titlebar so that you don't have to change tabs on the Ribbon to find them. They undo/redo actions preformed from any of the tabs, after all.

Save? Meh. It's probably just as important, but I always hide it and only use dropdown menu (i.e. the button in office 07).

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I can tell you now, the average user will look at that and go wtf is going on? Why isn't the title on the topbar like usual. Why is there a seperator? Why is there no File | Edit ?

...and you can't say its standarzing when things like Explorer aren't anything like that.

As if Microsoft hired a MSPaint Technology Specialist, who woke up one morning and decided "let's put ribbon on my program, then I'll check the feedback on various forums to see if people like it".

How did you figure out that's what the average user will think? I think this is YOUR personal opinion and unless you've gathered some usability tests yourself I don't think you can claim that anyone deserves to be fired. You can be against the change, but if it doesn't please you there are other alternatives.

Like I said earlier, the average user actually doesn't care how the menu looks he want to get the job done, if the ribbon can do that, then he won't even think about it and will simply use it.

Also, not every program has to be the exact same way. When you browse the web you almost never have to use the application's menu, so a ribbon would not make any sense.

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How on gods earth is this suppose to be user friendly? Its just a bunch of icons thrown everywhere. It might have worked for office, but my god, what an eye sore.

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I dont see the problem with that at all. I find that to be completely intuitive and easy to use. Different way of thinking I guess.

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The major problem here is that they want to license the Scenic Ribbon to third party developers. Think of the hundreds of apps that will have one single Ribbon tab but 35 icons in the title bar!

There is so much free real estate on the window, why do they put the icons on the border? Buttons on the window frame should control the window, not the program inside! This is what we have learned for ages.

Here are some alternatives:

The second example is exactly how the taskbar was organized: One "Start button" to start new tasks, a customizable quick start area with icons and the task buttons to switch between tasks.

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