Who did this and why aren't they fired?


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Meh, my daily use of Paint is for screenshots, and thats easy enough.

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You need to buy SnagIt from TechSmith if you take lots of screenshots throughout the day. Believe me, it will change your life.

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People should get fired based on your biased opinion?

This is a troll post and you expect people to do what exactly? Not everyone agrees with you, being defensive doesn't mean anyone is taking offense, it's just a different opinion than yours.

What? I never said such things. I have posted some constructive ideas. I wanted to point out that the discussion is not about Paint or Wordpad but about the new Scenic Ribbon interface for future Windows apps. And therefore I think it is very important.

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You need to buy SnagIt from TechSmith if you take lots of screenshots throughout the day. Believe me, it will change your life.

Or use the built in snipping tool...

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What? I never said such things. I have posted some constructive ideas. I wanted to point out that the discussion is not about Paint or Wordpad but about the new Scenic Ribbon interface for future Windows apps. And therefore I think it is very important.

I meant to quote this post by azz0r_wugg:

I still stand by it. Whoever pushed through paint into the ribbon interface and then decided to butcher the main save area deserves to be fired.

I'm not saying anyone on this forum should be fired am I? So why should anyone here take it personally.

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Meh, I still stand by the opinion that expanding the ribbon to Paint and Wordpad was a stupid idea. It makes perfect sense in large programs with extensive feature sets. I love it in Office, and I love it in AutoCAD. But, come on... who had trouble finding commands in either Paint or Wordpad? There's no point to a ribbon if the program only has enough features to fill three tabs.

Also, isn't the interface hard-coded into the program? This drift from native controls only increases the inconsistency problems that Vista introduced. Overall, I really like Windows 7, but the interface throughout is a real hodgepodge. I wish that Microsoft would hire at least ONE designer, and, you know, actually listen to him/her. No designer in their right mind would have okay-ed this mess.

Don't even get me started on the baby-blue throughout... ugh.

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People should get fired based on your biased opinion?

This is a troll post and you expect people to do what exactly? Not everyone agrees with you, being defensive doesn't mean anyone is taking offense, it's just a different opinion than yours.

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Or use the built in snipping tool...

The snipping tool's ok but doesn't really compare to Snagit unless you just want a really basic screenshot.

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Meh, I still stand by the opinion that expanding the ribbon to Paint and Wordpad was a stupid idea. It makes perfect sense in large programs with extensive feature sets. I love it in Office, and I love it in AutoCAD. But, come on... who had trouble finding commands in either Paint or Wordpad? There's no point to a ribbon if the program only has enough features to fill three tabs.

Also, isn't the interface hard-coded into the program? This drift from native controls only increases the inconsistency problems that Vista introduced. Overall, I really like Windows 7, but the interface throughout is a real hodgepodge. I wish that Microsoft would hire at least ONE designer, and, you know, actually listen to him/her. No designer in their right mind would have okay-ed this mess.

Don't even get me started on the baby-blue throughout... ugh.

It is overkill, but Microsoft used these two programs to showcase how the New Standard Control can be utilized by other applications. Scenic is a common control and can be used by any program that runs on Windows 7 (and the library will also be made available down-level for Vista).

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The snipping tool's ok but doesn't really compare to Snagit unless you just want a really basic screenshot.

Yup true, but it's still better than using Paint.

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i still like to print screen and paste in paint ... that snap tool had too many settings plus that red default border that makes me green :p

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In a time where jobs are scarce and dropping like flies, God forbid someone deserves to get fired over an extremely small part of an OS's UI just because it doesn't agree with a few people's idea of a good design. Let's also keep in mind that it definitely wasn't just one person that okayed this idea of putting a Save button beside the app icon. Last but not least, this idea has been here for - wait for it - three years since Office 2007's beta rolled out to the public. :rolleyes:

If you want reasons as to why it's there, it's meant for global functions that need to be available all the time.

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Meh, I still stand by the opinion that expanding the ribbon to Paint and Wordpad was a stupid idea. It makes perfect sense in large programs with extensive feature sets. I love it in Office, and I love it in AutoCAD. But, come on... who had trouble finding commands in either Paint or Wordpad? There's no point to a ribbon if the program only has enough features to fill three tabs.

Also, isn't the interface hard-coded into the program? This drift from native controls only increases the inconsistency problems that Vista introduced. Overall, I really like Windows 7, but the interface throughout is a real hodgepodge. I wish that Microsoft would hire at least ONE designer, and, you know, actually listen to him/her. No designer in their right mind would have okay-ed this mess.

Don't even get me started on the baby-blue throughout... ugh.

Look, I don't get what you're fussing about, but actually Paint just got a LOT easier to use. People who know Office 2007 (the majority as far as I know) will get the ribbon in Paint instantly.

Now you have all your functions at one-click access without even using much more space. Plus you can't say it was easy to find things in all the menus. If you knew where it was, great. If you didn't, good luck finding it! With the ribbon in Word for example, if I need to change my marges (= my page layout) I just have a look at "Page Layout" and oh, there I suddenly see what I need.

Microsoft is probably spending millions on Research and Development to create something as good as possible, I really think they thought all of this through before pushing the changes. They're not dumb at Redmond you know. If they're too advanced for you, you might always like Apple.

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How on gods earth is this suppose to be user friendly? Its just a bunch of icons thrown everywhere. It might have worked for office, but my god, what an eye sore.

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Bill Here, Ok I fired them, however we will have to postpone the RC launch because they had the key to the safe...

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Haven't used Paint, for good reason, for years. With great free apps like Paint.net out there it really doesn't matter. Having said that the implemenation of the ribbon bar in Paint and Wordpad isn't the greatest.

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Look, I don't get what you're fussing about, but actually Paint just got a LOT easier to use. People who know Office 2007 (the majority as far as I know) will get the ribbon in Paint instantly.

Now you have all your functions at one-click access without even using much more space. Plus you can't say it was easy to find things in all the menus. If you knew where it was, great. If you didn't, good luck finding it! With the ribbon in Word for example, if I need to change my marges (= my page layout) I just have a look at "Page Layout" and oh, there I suddenly see what I need.

Microsoft is probably spending millions on Research and Development to create something as good as possible, I really think they thought all of this through before pushing the changes. They're not dumb at Redmond you know. If they're too advanced for you, you might always like Apple.

I think you misunderstand. Paint was *never* difficult to use. Although the new ribbon in Paint is not difficult (though a bit cluttered), it is most certainly NOT easier. Paint only has a handful of options. I'd be hard -pressed to design a difficult interface for it.

I'm a big fan of the ribbon. I absolutely love it in Office 2007 (which I mentioned, if you'd read). Yes, it does make Word a lot easier. I just feel that it is absolute overkill in Paint and Wordpad.

Although I agree that the guys in Redmond are not dumb (though, they sure do a lot of dumb things), I feel that they're wrong about this. I'd be interested to see their R&D data and who it was collected from.

And please don't recommend Apple. They take the things that annoy me with Microsoft to a whole new level.

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I think Microsoft wanted Paint and Wordpad to be a model for "How to use Scenic?" for ISVs.

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This must be an issue for you guys, my little siblings, aged 7 and 12 absolutely love the new Paint and dislike Vista's Paint app now. So, passes all usibility tests it seems. :)

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I don't see what the issue is. If you use Office 2007 then its easy to master the Paint and WordPad ribbons, but if not then I'm sure it won't take a genius to figure them out. I for one think it was about time those two archaic programs got a revamp.

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