7100 X64 and XPM


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Just installed the RC, and still doing the usual updates.

Looking at XPM available on MSDN, you need to use the 64bit version if you are using the 64bit version of win7.

I'm assuming this is just the virtual PC type application, and you still have the option to emulate a 64 or 32bit version of XP. Is this the case?

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I installed the x64 version on my x64 install of the RC. At this point I'm not very impressed. I had MS VirtualPC 2007 set up with an install of WinXP on my Vista64 build and it was much more responsive than the XPM setup. Hopefully they work the bugs out before the release.

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Ok, according to Paul Thurrott from the recent Windows Weekly podcast, the virtualised client is 32bit, even on the 64bit systems. Good news if true. I'll try it out later this week.

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Yes, it is true, The virtual client is 32 bit only no matter what pkg you download from technet. But it only has 256 MB of RAM reserved and takes up about 1.6GB for the vhd. The client responds very well on 64-bit win7. The seamless integration was great. You can launch the apps inside the virtual client from win7 menu. The virtual machine launches when you try to open the item. Last night I installed my company VPN client which is 32-bit only inside XP mode. I was able to launch vpn and connect to work using putty installed inside XP. Worked great.

Wondering if it is possible to increase the memory allocation !!!

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Yes, it is true, The virtual client is 32 bit only no matter what pkg you download from technet. But it only has 256 MB of RAM reserved and takes up about 1.6GB for the vhd. The client responds very well on 64-bit win7. The seamless integration was great. You can launch the apps inside the virtual client from win7 menu. The virtual machine launches when you try to open the item. Last night I installed my company VPN client which is 32-bit only inside XP mode. I was able to launch vpn and connect to work using putty installed inside XP. Worked great.

Wondering if it is possible to increase the memory allocation !!!

Yes close it down don't hibernate then right click file VHD settings.

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Using 64bit XPM for compatibility? Isn't it pointless? I mean 64bit WinXP and compatibility don't go in the same sentence for any good reason.

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Using 64bit XPM for compatibility? Isn't it pointless? I mean 64bit WinXP and compatibility don't go in the same sentence for any good reason.

The guest OS is 32bit

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Using 64bit XPM for compatibility? Isn't it pointless? I mean 64bit WinXP and compatibility don't go in the same sentence for any good reason.

Troll. Have you used XP x64 at all? I've been using it since its release in 2005, and I've had less compatibility issues with it than, say, Vista (x86 or x64). Got drivers for all my hardware, and the few apps that won't install because they think it's a server OS aren't missed.

That being said, I do agree that it makes more sense to try to achieve compatibility with XP x86 than XP x64, since the former has the largest installed base...

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Troll. Have you used XP x64 at all? I've been using it since its release in 2005, and I've had less compatibility issues with it than, say, Vista (x86 or x64). Got drivers for all my hardware, and the few apps that won't install because they think it's a server OS aren't missed.

That being said, I do agree that it makes more sense to try to achieve compatibility with XP x86 than XP x64, since the former has the largest installed base...

I am a troll because...you agree with me? Damn, that's a first!

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I am a troll because...you agree with me? Damn, that's a first!

My point was that there was more compatilibility issues going from XP -> Vista than XP x86 -> XP x64.

Pretty sad that I have to explain this.

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i just remember something a while ago ....when there was talk that MS would drop 32bit edtion for codename windows 8

i guess XPM would help in that matter since 64bit windows cant run 16bit applications ,that if they consider the mathod in the future

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.... Last night I installed my company VPN client which is 32-bit only inside XP mode. I was able to launch vpn and connect to work using putty installed inside XP. Worked great.

This was exactly why I was planning on using XPM, for VPN and netmeeting which does not work on win7 (yes, netmeeting ... don't ask!).

Netmeeting works, but the VPN doesn't. I'm using a USB key, which XPM does find and read the certificate from it. However, it fails when trying to connect ... server failed to respond.

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I installed XPM but recieve an error when trying to launch virtual PC... i cant remember what it was at the moment but i dont think you can run it at all unless your processor supports 'hardware virtualisation'

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I am a troll because...you agree with me? Damn, that's a first!

Well, I don't agree with you. When XP x64 came out I switched and I haven't used a 32-bit OS since (unless you count Haiku in a VM for a few minutes every few months to check on its progress). Running a 64-bit VM for XPM would be perfectly fine for me, if it were possible, because I would be using it for applications that only work on XP, not on applications that only work on a 32-bit OS. Which pretty much means I won't be using it, since all my apps work on Windows 7 x64. I was tempted to try it out to run The Chronicles of Spellborn, which does not work on 7 due to some anti-cheat software it tries to run being suppressed, but it doesn't sound like XPM is a viable choice for gaming. Instead I'll just have to wait for them to update the client so it can run.

Still, the geek in me that wants to try out XPM simply because I can. I'd really like to know if you can patch the uxtheme.dll in the VM and change themes, so that when you open an app in XPM it would use the window border of the 3rd party theme and not Luna.

I installed XPM but recieve an error when trying to launch virtual PC... i cant remember what it was at the moment but i dont think you can run it at all unless your processor supports 'hardware virtualisation'

Yes, that was well documented when XPM was announced. Your CPU must support virtualization and it must be enabled in your BIOS.

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I installed XPM but recieve an error when trying to launch virtual PC... i cant remember what it was at the moment but i dont think you can run it at all unless your processor supports 'hardware virtualisation'

Your processor is like mine, it does not support virtualization. It cannot run XP Mode.

Check if your processor supports virtualization by running this, http://www.grc.com/securable.htm

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I couldn't resist playing with it.

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Now if I could only figure out how to enable 24-bit or even 32-bit color. Nobody seems to want to share exactly what they've done to accomplish it, and my search for answers has just led me around one gigantic circle jerk.

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