Ironman273 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 So far I've been thrilled with Windows 7. I have it on my desktop and older laptop. I've told friends about it. My friend has it on various laptops, including some old ones. Then my IT guy at work said he installed it and it ran like crap. I told him he was an idiot and that it was impossible. Last week I bought a new laptop with these specs (sorry for the cut'n'paste): Microprocessor AMD Turion X2 RM-72 Dual-Core Mobile Processor Microprocessor Cache 2.10 GHz Memory 4096MB Memory Max 8192MB Video Graphics ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics RS780M Video Memory Up to 1918MB Hard Drive 320GB (5400RPM) Multimedia Drive LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD?R/RW with Double Layer Support Display> 17.0" Diagonal WXGA+ High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1440 x 900) Fax/Modem> High speed 56k modem Network Card> Integrated 10/100 Ethernet LAN Wireless Connectivity> 802.11b/g WLA Sound> Altec Lansing speakers Keyboard> 101-key compatible Pointing Device> Touch Pad with On/Off button and dedicated vertical scroll Up/Down pad PC Card Slots> 1 ExpressCard/54 Slot (also supports ExpressCard/34 External Ports> 5-in-1 integrated Digital Media Reader for Secure Digital cards, MultiMedia cards, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, or xD Picture cards 4 Universal Serial Bus (USB) 2.0, 4th port shared with eSATA 2 Headphone out 1 microphone-in HDMI 1 VGA (15-pin) eSATA + USB 2.0 1 RJ-11 (modem) 1 RJ -45 (LAN) 1 notebook expansion port 3 1 Consumer IR (Remote Receiver) Dimensions> 15.59 (W) x 11.22" (D) x 1.31 (min H)/1.66(max H) Weight> 7.75lb Security> Kensington MicroSaver lock slot Power-on password Accepts 3rd party security lock devices Power> 65W AC Adapter 8-Cell Lithium-Ion battery Well, I installed 7100 x64 on it and CPU use on both cores keeps spiking up for no apparent reason, IE8 crashes and/or hangs, overall not a nice experience. I did do an upgrade to the installed Vista after I removed all the bloatware so it would keep some of the HP drivers for the buttons, etc. Before I wipe it clean and do a fresh install I was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to why it isn't performing like my other installs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 highly likely upgrade issue/driver issue . i have cleaned installed W7 RC since yesterday zero problem so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Denied Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Clean install that thing buddy. I had it close to snappy on my old P4 just last week. EDIT: I don't trust upgrades at all. Only upgrade I have ever used......using Vista Business upgrade to full install w/o key then upgrade to get it clean on my old P4 in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMELTN Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 definately clean install. I have a HP pavilion dv6408nr that I did the upgrade on first, it ran fine, but was a little sluggish feeling. Did a clean install and it smokes now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Did you apologize to the IT guy for calling him an idiot? Do a clean install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Denied Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Try and try again is the motto for me with new OS. I have 3 drives. I have had x64 of Windows 7 installed on all 3 in the last few days. I have also RAIDED two of them and installed it on there, since removed and all back where it started. Good ol Raptor. One install does not mean the OS is a fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acnpt Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 My windows 7 works fine:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfc_uk Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I upgraded from 7077 to 7100 x64 this morning and so far so good, but this is the first time I've upgraded Windows 7 rather than clean installed. To the OP, its most likelya driver issue, maybe your Graphics card. I got a driver update for my Intel 965 Chispet today from Windows Update and Windows 7 is more responsive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 Did you apologize to the IT guy for calling him an idiot? Do a clean install. :D No. But if I do a clean install and the compauter is back up to speed then I'll call him an idiot again for not doing a clean install. By the way, we're buddies, so I mean an idiot in the kindest of ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08993 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Ignore me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well, I installed 7100 x64 on it and CPU use on both cores keeps spiking up for no apparent reason, IE8 crashes and/or hangs, overall not a nice experience. I did do an upgrade to the installed Vista after I removed all the bloatware so it would keep some of the HP drivers for the buttons, etc. Before I wipe it clean and do a fresh install I was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to why it isn't performing like my other installs. Upgrading from Vista never is a good idea, it can cause all sorts of problems - especially if you upgrade from a Vista that is loaded with crapware :x Simply do a clean install after wiping the HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleSpellbinder Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why people complain about having issues after upgrading is completely beyond me. I'm not directing this at the OP, just those who complain about upgrades in general. I upgraded only once (7057 to 7068). And that upgrade had several issues, not unlike the OP's. I didn't come here and say how bad Win 7 was or ask why this happened. I simply inserted the DVD, formatted and installed cleanly. All issues with that build disappeared. Seems a clean install is ALWAYS the best option. It's much faster than an upgrade as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanko panko Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why people complain about having issues after upgrading is completely beyond me. I'm not directing this at the OP, just those who complain about upgrades in general. I upgraded only once (7057 to 7068). And that upgrade had several issues, not unlike the OP's. I didn't come here and say how bad Win 7 was or ask why this happened. I simply inserted the DVD, formatted and installed cleanly. All issues with that build disappeared. Seems a clean install is ALWAYS the best option. It's much faster than an upgrade as well. NEVER say ALWAYS :) Polls indicate that a lot of users/testers are running Windows 7 as their primary system now. That means they are running a lot of applications on it. Reinstalling all that will cost a couple of hours at least. I upgraded from 6801 > 7000 > 7057 > 7068 > 7077 > 7100 without (big) problems and have saved myself many hours of reinstalling, Capiche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 I appreciate not being hung out to dry here. The fact is I did a clean install last night and so far everything seems snappy. However, I now have 3 unidentified "base system devices" which is what I was trying to avoid in the first place. I did uninstall all the extra bloatware that came with my new install before I tried the upgrade but I was just trying to keep those weird HP drivers that always seem to be missing during a clean install. Oh well. Now I have a new project... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atleeit Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Install the MOBO chipset and sound drivers and then the base system driver conflicts should go away. NEVER say ALWAYS :)Polls indicate that a lot of users/testers are running Windows 7 as their primary system now. That means they are running a lot of applications on it. Reinstalling all that will cost a couple of hours at least. I upgraded from 6801 > 7000 > 7057 > 7068 > 7077 > 7100 without (big) problems and have saved myself many hours of reinstalling, Capiche? couple of hours isn't much and i know myself with clean install your system starts off snappy, it's fun sometimes, customizing your OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+chorpeac MVC Posted May 4, 2009 MVC Share Posted May 4, 2009 I installed it on my older PC, it went fine. SO I installed it on my laptop. Blazing fast. Then I ripped out a old drive on the old pc and reinstalled it on the bigger hard drive. All clean installs. Only issue I have that is close to yours it the occasional hang in IE, and it for some reason reverts the settings, so I have seen that initial IE settings wizard about three or four times on the same computer. Not sure why..... But it did occassionaly hang before that settings wizard came up. Also this happened as I was typing in the search bar, maybe they are connected, maybe not. It was going to google to do the search suggestions....could be google-hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleSpellbinder Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why people complain about having issues after upgrading is completely beyond me. I'm not directing this at the OP, just those who complain about upgrades in general. I upgraded only once (7057 to 7068). And that upgrade had several issues, not unlike the OP's. I didn't come here and say how bad Win 7 was or ask why this happened. I simply inserted the DVD, formatted and installed cleanly. All issues with that build disappeared. Seems a clean install is ALWAYS the best option. It's much faster than an upgrade as well. NEVER say ALWAYS :) Polls indicate that a lot of users/testers are running Windows 7 as their primary system now. That means they are running a lot of applications on it. Reinstalling all that will cost a couple of hours at least. I upgraded from 6801 > 7000 > 7057 > 7068 > 7077 > 7100 without (big) problems and have saved myself many hours of reinstalling, Capiche? Many hours of reinstalling?? Why??? First - From inserting the DVD to operational desktop was 13 minutes. Installed all my apps (53) in less than 1 hour and 10 minutes. Totaling a bit less than an hour and a half. Second - I didn't say clean installs were the only option, just the best option. Capiche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason13524 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I upgraded Vista with SP2 RC to Windows 7 RC and all works great, better even! but I only had Office 2007 installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Denied Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Many hours of reinstalling?? Why???First - From inserting the DVD to operational desktop was 13 minutes. Installed all my apps (53) in less than 1 hour and 10 minutes. Totaling a bit less than an hour and a half. Second - I didn't say clean installs were the only option, just the best option. Capiche? Damnit, you burned your DVD at a faster speed. It took me 15. I'll try a faster burn speed next time, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted May 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2009 Install the MOBO chipset and sound drivers and then the base system driver conflicts should go away. That is a BAD idea. Most mobo chipset packages are crap, just use what the OS has unless something actually isn't working. The "Base system device" entries are usually relatively useless (sometimes needed if you want to update BIOS settings from an OEM software app and such). In the case of my Vaio, Sony has download packages (at least for x64) that let you individually install these. They are NOT covered by the chipset package, which usually just destabilizes your system, especially on an unreleased OS which the drivers aren't designed for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 That is a BAD idea. Most mobo chipset packages are crap, just use what the OS has unless something actually isn't working.The "Base system device" entries are usually relatively useless (sometimes needed if you want to update BIOS settings from an OEM software app and such). In the case of my Vaio, Sony has download packages (at least for x64) that let you individually install these. They are NOT covered by the chipset package, which usually just destabilizes your system, especially on an unreleased OS which the drivers aren't designed for. Yeah I agree with Brandon. Those "weird hp drivers" are probably completely unnecessary and crap anyway. The only drivers I've installed in windows 7 on my computers is Ati/Nvidia drivers, Sound drivers (only for the audigy 4 on my desktop use windows7 default on my laptop) and touchpad drivers (because the Windows 7 default scrolled ub3r fast in firefox) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 That is a BAD idea. Most mobo chipset packages are crap, just use what the OS has unless something actually isn't working.The "Base system device" entries are usually relatively useless (sometimes needed if you want to update BIOS settings from an OEM software app and such). In the case of my Vaio, Sony has download packages (at least for x64) that let you individually install these. They are NOT covered by the chipset package, which usually just destabilizes your system, especially on an unreleased OS which the drivers aren't designed for. Now there's some advice I can trust... I guess I'll just have to deal with my OCD about having undetected hardware :doctor: Yeah I agree with Brandon. Those "weird hp drivers" are probably completely unnecessary and crap anyway.The only drivers I've installed in windows 7 on my computers is Ati/Nvidia drivers, Sound drivers (only for the audigy 4 on my desktop use windows7 default on my laptop) and touchpad drivers (because the Windows 7 default scrolled ub3r fast in firefox) So would you recommend installing ATI drivers? Everything else (sound, touchpad) is detected and working fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Now there's some advice I can trust... I guess I'll just have to deal with my OCD about having undetected hardware :doctor:So would you recommend installing ATI drivers? Everything else (sound, touchpad) is detected and working fine. If the default win7 ati drivers are working for you and you don't game you can probably stick with them. But aTi does have Windows 7 WDM 1.1 drivers available on their site (and so does nvidia) I'm pretty sure some updated wdm 1.1 drivers for ati and nvidia are offered over windows update too but I'm not sure i they are as new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 If the default win7 ati drivers are working for you and you don't game you can probably stick with them. But aTi does have Windows 7 WDM 1.1 drivers available on their site (and so does nvidia) I'm pretty sure some updated wdm 1.1 drivers for ati and nvidia are offered over windows update too but I'm not sure i they are as new. Well, I decided to install the ATI Win7 driver. I ran the performance index before (I'm not sure how indicative that is) and got a low score of 4.1 on Graphics: Desktop performance of Windows Aero (gaming graphics was in the 5s). After the install the performance index was exactly the same in Graphics. I forgot to look at gaming graphics but I remember it was still in the 5s. So is it worth to have the ATI control panel running or should I uninstall it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieFly Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) That is a BAD idea. Most mobo chipset packages are crap, just use what the OS has unless something actually isn't working.The "Base system device" entries are usually relatively useless (sometimes needed if you want to update BIOS settings from an OEM software app and such). In the case of my Vaio, Sony has download packages (at least for x64) that let you individually install these. They are NOT covered by the chipset package, which usually just destabilizes your system, especially on an unreleased OS which the drivers aren't designed for. are you sure? i've always found that the MS shipped "base" drivers are sluggish and installing the nforce chipset drivers speeds up drive access.... I also had a problem where after standby windows 7 would come back when i wiggled the mouse, however the USB keyboard had lost power and I had to reboot to get it back. This issue was resolved by installing the nforce chipset drivers for v64... I've been using vista 64 for the past few years and i've just slapped on the 64bit RC of 7. Now my inbuilt monitor memory card reader (dell) is seen but cant see anything i insert into the reader. No removable drives appear and the usb eject is unavailable as no drive is mounted. Windows update did download a driver for the monitor however this didn't change anything. I'm also having the same issue connecting my android phone, vista64 detected it as a removable drive, 7 does not. I'm currently trying to resolve this issue, I've tried the vista64 nforce drivers but that doesn't appear to have fixed anything either. I swear this was working in previous beta builds..... but i could be wrong :wacko: Edited May 5, 2009 by ZombieFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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