noroom Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Here's a prediction: On May 5th, high demand for the Windows 7 RC will crush Microsoft servers. Can someone please explain to me why they won't use BitTorrent? I assume legal reasons? What reasons exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoaster Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 They wouldn't be able to control when the downloads stop. Plus, they wouldn't want to use the same method of transport as pirates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.F.D.K Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I'm sure they have taken extra precautions and added extra servers to hanlde the demand, but i personally believe that most hardcore chaps have already got hold of the RC when it was leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.G Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Here's a prediction: On May 5th, high demand for the Windows 7 RC will crush Microsoft servers.Can someone please explain to me why they won't use BitTorrent? I assume legal reasons? What reasons exactly? The only reason I can think of as to why MS don't use bittorrent is that they wouldn't want to be seen promoting something who's primary use is copyright infringment. There is no legality issues with them using torrents, so it must be down their own policy/opinions about bittorrent. They wouldn't be able to control when the downloads stop. They can't do that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacon Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 You have a point, noroom. It will be put up on torrents anyway, so why not make an official Microsoft torrent to lessen the chance of someone doing a late download and accidentally downloading a fake one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhapimp Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 there already prepared for the rc downloads so the servers probably will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fix-this! Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 most of us already have the RC build so i doubt it will be as bad as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBlood Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I've DL the beta they released to the public and it was " OK " ... Most likely RC1 will work as planned. So, why would I waste my time getting it... I figure it's going to be released before or around the new school year .. Say Sept ... will be RTM ... and 30 days later on the store shelf's and on new laptops and PCs from major retailors ... like Dell , HP and Gateway .. So, I'll wait ... I'm just going to save up ...an buy it with some new hardware .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 How quickly some people forget... doesn't anyone remember the problems when Beta 1 was released??? Granted that had to do more with keys, but their servers were hammered. Hopefully MS prepared a bit better this time around, but it wouldn't surprise me if the servers go up in flames again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger H. Veteran Posted May 3, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 3, 2009 This is expected, i don't think any company can be 100% ready for any strong demand. Even adding 100 servers i still don't think would help since the load balancer would be overloaded. It will get hammered on May 5th and life will continue :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKid Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 They will get hammerd you wait and see :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted May 3, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 3, 2009 Windows Vista's RC beta had such a high demand it littearly took up 95% of Alkami's caching bandwidth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows 7 x64 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 They wouldn't be able to control when the downloads stop. Plus, they wouldn't want to use the same method of transport as pirates... Whatever happened to the P2P protocol that MS was spouting about a few years ago, the one that was supposed to compete with BitTorrent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted May 3, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 3, 2009 Can someone please explain to me why they won't use BitTorrent? I assume legal reasons? What reasons exactly? One of our Microsoft Partners said that hackers can tamper with builds and put them on torrent websites, so I just wouldn't trust torrent websites ;) Microsoft's official website will have a build which hasn't been tampered with for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMorpheousx416 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 there already prepared for the rc downloadsso the servers probably will be fine Actually.. historically speaking and with the MSDN/Technet subscribers are facing now.. MS is NOT prepared. Their servers died just feeding the subsciption and beta testers not but a few days ago. Best bet... wait till someone you know gets the ISO, and just make your disk from them instead of d/l'ing your own copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 One of our Microsoft Partners said that hackers can tamper with builds and put them on torrent websites, so I just wouldn't trust torrent websites ;) Microsoft's official website will have a build which hasn't been tampered with for sure. What's wrong with them hosting the Torrent on their website and tracking it with their own servers? Microsoft like most corporations like control. And that is the only reason they will not embrace P2P distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows 7 x64 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 What's wrong with them hosting the Torrent on their website and tracking it with their own servers?Microsoft like most corporations like control. And that is the only reason they will not embrace P2P distribution. Whatever happened to the P2P protocol that MS was spouting about a few years ago, the one that was supposed to compete with BitTorrent; I think they were calling it Avalanche?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDEAN Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Here's a prediction: On May 5th, high demand for the Windows 7 RC will crush Microsoft servers.Can someone please explain to me why they won't use BitTorrent? I assume legal reasons? What reasons exactly? It's already out on "bittorrent" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboTuna Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Actually.. historically speaking and with the MSDN/Technet subscribers are facing now.. MS is NOT prepared. Their servers died just feeding the subsciption and beta testers not but a few days ago.Best bet... wait till someone you know gets the ISO, and just make your disk from them instead of d/l'ing your own copy. Was just about to post that. Downloading the RC at 30kb/s was not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noroom Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 but i personally believe that most hardcore chaps have already got hold of the RC when it was leaked. most of us already have the RC build so i doubt it will be as bad as expected. "Most of us" < 0.1% of the people who want to get the RC. I'm sure. One of our Microsoft Partners said that hackers can tamper with builds and put them on torrent websites, so I just wouldn't trust torrent websites ;) Microsoft's official website will have a build which hasn't been tampered with for sure. I don't think you got it, Calum. They would seed it themselves, and they could even track it on a 1st party BitTorrent tracker. After thinking about this for a while, I came to a not very solid conclusion: they want to track the downloads. Think about it, it's the only benefit they get by hosting the download in their servers. Of course, BitTorrent offers swarm statistics, but it would be trivial for people to track the torrent on a 3rd party tracker. Now, I said this wasn't a very good conclusion, because as soon as someone has downloaded the RC from official MS servers, all they need to do is hash the file and up it goes on a tracker. Yeah, scrap that. A different approach: It's too hard for regular users to use BitTorrent? No. That'd be a lame excuse. People who know what a RC is and are willing to give it a try also know how to use BitTorrent. And even if it were like that, they could still offer BitTorrent as an alternative to a regular download! I'm still clueless. Brandon? Are you out there? Maybe you can explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soumyasch Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Whatever happened to the P2P protocol that MS was spouting about a few years ago, the one that was supposed to compete with BitTorrent; I think they were calling it Avalanche?! They used it to distribute VS 2008 (I think) VHDs during its testing phase for a limited time. Downloaded it myself back then. When the trial phase was over, it wasn't heard from again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows 7 x64 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 They used it to distribute VS 2008 (I think) VHDs during its testing phase for a limited time. Downloaded it myself back then. When the trial phase was over, it wasn't heard from again. Well, it did look good on paper, not as good as an established protocol like BitTorrent...but how was it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 That was a given, the hype surrounding Windows 7 is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fid Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Actually.. historically speaking and with the MSDN/Technet subscribers are facing now.. MS is NOT prepared. Their servers died just feeding the subsciption and beta testers not but a few days ago.Best bet... wait till someone you know gets the ISO, and just make your disk from them instead of d/l'ing your own copy. It is not financially-viable to suddenly add hundreds and hundreds of servers to cope with demand... MS have realised this, and while I'm sure they have bolstered their servers, they have also told everyone when it will be available til, and that date is about 2 months in the future. (End of June). This makes more sense, than adding loads of servers, and then being stuck with them at the end of it all! (It's on the same principle as Wii's... why create loads more factories to make them, even though they could be sold now, only to be stuck with a load once all the excitement dies down). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMELTN Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 agreed server load is going to be a bitch.. But its M$, they can handle it. You know they should be very proud of themselves this time around. 7 is getting so much great publicity and everyone wants to try it.. They really need to have a good Tuesday, so it makes them look even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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