TOKYO RAIN Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Anyone have any recommendations on how to make Japanese fonts look better? Is there a pack that needs to be downloaded? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalovista Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 give some more details!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael S Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Isn't it working like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOKYO RAIN Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 give some more details!!! Well I came from Mac OS X where japanese fonts were very smooth and nice... On a default setup for 7100 RC it looks the same as Japanese fonts look under XP and I thought they were kinda fixed up in Vista (I think maybe as a seperate language pack download in windows update?). Have a look at these examples. Is this the way it should look normally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafin0 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Well I came from Mac OS X where japanese fonts were very smooth and nice...On a default setup for 7100 RC it looks the same as Japanese fonts look under XP and I thought they were kinda fixed up in Vista (I think maybe as a seperate language pack download in windows update?). Have a look at these examples. Is this the way it should look normally? doesnt look like "ClearType" is work or on, try this go to Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Fonts.. on the left hand side you should see something called "adjust ClearType text" and just follow the wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael S Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Well I came from Mac OS X where japanese fonts were very smooth and nice...On a default setup for 7100 RC it looks the same as Japanese fonts look under XP and I thought they were kinda fixed up in Vista (I think maybe as a seperate language pack download in windows update?). Have a look at these examples. Is this the way it should look normally? I checked em out carefully and there's small difference. I'm running Windows 7 RC 7100 x64 English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted May 6, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2009 It's because they have embedded bitmaps, they're rendered straight to the screen without hinting or antialiasing or all the other stuff normal outline fonts go through. There is a font in Vista and 7 that doesn't use them though, it uses normal hinting and antialiasing like the other fonts, it's called Meiryo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOKYO RAIN Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 It's because they have embedded bitmaps, they're rendered straight to the screen without hinting or antialiasing or all the other stuff normal outline fonts go through.There is a font in Vista and 7 that doesn't use them though, it uses normal hinting and antialiasing like the other fonts, it's called Meiryo. Thanks for this. I had a look at that font and it does indeed look nice but for the life of me I can't figure out how to tell windows "when rendering japanese use these fonts instead". Is it application specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeusII Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 In my comp, after installing Office 2007 the fonts looked better overall... (of course, I selected the optional "Japanese Font" in the installer) (this is Vista, but looks exactly the same in 7) ...but there are some sites that are forcing an older font and then looking bad (like Impress Watch). also, if you install Safari for Windows you'll get that "heavy-aliased" look from MacOS (at least on websites) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I know this myself. The problem is with MS Gothic and MS Mincho, which look really ugly at lower font sizes (below 18pt), because they have no anti-aliasing there :x You can verify this for yourself if you look at them in the font viewer. The solution for this is to simply use the "Meiryo" font for all Japanese texts. It looks fine at all sizes and is included with Win7 :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOKYO RAIN Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 I know this myself.The problem is with MS Gothic and MS Mincho, which look really ugly at lower font sizes (below 18pt), because they have no anti-aliasing there :x You can verify this for yourself if you look at them in the font viewer. The solution for this is to simply use the "Meiryo" font for all Japanese texts. It looks fine at all sizes and is included with Win7 :cool: What I'm trying achieve is for OS and applications to use that meiryo font by default when displaying ANY japanese text. Not just when I'm personally composing something and have control over the font. For example, when I go into Windows Live Mail client the meiryo font is used and it looks fantastic. If I copy and paste into notepad it goes back to that old crappy font unless I change it manually in notepad in the font menu. I'd like meiryo to be used by default system-wide when displaying Japanese. Do Windows OS' not work this way? Or is it a matter of applications "catching up" to the current font standard of the latest OS? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 What I'm trying achieve is for OS and applications to use that meiryo font by default when displaying ANY japanese text. Not just when I'm personally composing something and have control over the font.For example, when I go into Windows Live Mail client the meiryo font is used and it looks fantastic. If I copy and paste into notepad it goes back to that old crappy font unless I change it manually in notepad in the font menu. I'd like meiryo to be used by default system-wide when displaying Japanese. Do Windows OS' not work this way? Or is it a matter of applications "catching up" to the current font standard of the latest OS? Yes, that's a problem indeed, and there are no straight-forward settings to change that. To stop Windows from using the ugly fonts, you need to do some registry edits. I've build myself a .reg file that does all the registry work neccessary :cool: Simply execute the FontFix.reg file in the .zip file. Next, copy the four Global*.* files to your C:\Windows\Fonts directory, overwriting the ones there (they tell Windows which fonts to use). After you did both and rebooted, you'll find that Windows won't use any ugly fonts anymore :yes: oh, and btw, if you want to download the Japanese RC - download it from the Windows Ecosystem on Connect. I got 1.5 MB/s there today when I downloaded it :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOKYO RAIN Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yes, that's a problem indeed, and there are no straight-forward settings to change that.To stop Windows from using the ugly fonts, you need to do some registry edits. I've build myself a .reg file that does all the registry work neccessary :cool: Simply execute the FontFix.reg file in the .zip file. Next, copy the four Global*.* files to your C:\Windows\Fonts directory, overwriting the ones there (they tell Windows which fonts to use). After you did both and rebooted, you'll find that Windows won't use any ugly fonts anymore :yes: oh, and btw, if you want to download the Japanese RC - download it from the Windows Ecosystem on Connect. I got 1.5 MB/s there today when I downloaded it :cool: Ba'al I'm going to make sweet love to you haahha. This worked and I'm very very happy with the way everything looks now. Thank you so much for this. Just as an FYI, I ran the regedit but the fonts wouldn't copy into C:\Windows\Fonts and I've attached the error. I rebooted anyways and it seemed to work regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazlunatic Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 if you want Mac fonts, you could look into GDI++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Ba'al I'm going to make sweet love to you haahha. I'm afraid I'll have to decline your offer on this :pinch: This worked and I'm very very happy with the way everything looks now. Thank you so much for this.Just as an FYI, I ran the regedit but the fonts wouldn't copy into C:\Windows\Fonts and I've attached the error. I rebooted anyways and it seemed to work regardless. The regedit file does the major part of the work, but not all, that's why you need to overwrite the Global*.* files. If you open the Fonts folder and drag them over it, Windows thinks you want to install them as fonts, which won't work of course. You'll have to copy them using the command line window or using a separate install of Windows. To copy them using the command line: Go to All Programs > Accessories, right-click on Command Promt > Run as Admin Change into the directory in which you have unpacked the Global*.* files, e.g.: cd c:\download\FontFixLordBaal Then enter the following command: copy global*.* c:\windows\fonts A prompt will appear asking you if you want to overwrite fonts. Simply press a (for 'all'). It will then tell you "4 file(s) copied.", reboot once more and you're done :cool: I've attached a new zip file with updated instructions. FontFixLordBaal.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) At least you can install Japanese fonts. If I try it, it guides me to WU and tells me to look in Optional Updates which is a dead end as it is not there for some reason and there is no button or nothing and the W7 DVD does not have anything and I have Mp3 files with Japanese chars in them and they do not display properly although I might be doing something wrong I think but then again It seems all seems kinda odd maybe expecting too much from 7100 build you know not sure about that . :/ Edited May 8, 2009 by Udedenkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 At least you can install Japanese fonts. If I try it, it guides me to WU and tells me to look in Optional Updates which is a dead end as it is not there for some reason and there is no button or nothing and the W7 DVD does not have anything and I have Mp3 files with Japanese chars in them and they do not display properly although I might be doing something wrong I think but then again It seems all seems kinda odd maybe expecting too much from 7100 build you know not sure about that . :/ Windows 7 installs Japanese fonts by default during Windows setup, you don't have to do anything to install them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 ?█ - ???▄???╞???▐?╣???? <= What does this look like on your W7? EDIT: Clarification, I thought this was displaying funny because I did not have something installed and this was from an Anime OST I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 ?█ - ???▄???╞???▐?╣???? <= What does this look like on your W7? It's just junk. If you can read the below, you have Japanese Fonts installed: 帝国主義の興隆インド大反乱 アジア、アフリカ諸国には苦渋の時代であった。 19世紀のイギリスは工業化による生産力の増大により得た、圧倒的な経済力と軍事力で世界の覇権を握った。イギリスは時には武力をも用いて世界各国に自由貿易を認めさせ、イギリスを中心とした国際経済体制に世界を組み込んでいった(パクス・ブリタニカ)。この過程で、大陸国家である清やロシアと海洋国家のイギリスとの間に度重なる衝突が発生し、20世紀における世界大戦の遠因が形成された。 アジア、アフリカにとっては苦渋の時代であり、トルコ、タイなどの国では西欧文化を取り入れ近代化が試みられた。清帝国はアヘン戦争の敗北により、植民地化がはじまる。1853年、アメリカのペリーが浦賀に来航、江戸幕府に開国を認めさせ、日本も欧米を中心とした世界経済に組み込まれた。1868年には長らく続いた幕藩体制は崩壊し(明治維新)、新たに発足した明治政府は欧米文化を摂取して急速な近代化を目指した。19世紀末には、近代化に成功した日本以外の国は、西欧列強の植民地にされるか、強い影響下におかれた。 Clarification, I thought this was displaying funny because I did not have something installed and this was from an Anime OST I got. Seems it's not properly encoded, then. Where did you copy it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejn Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Whoa, Meiryo just wiped the floor with the default fonts. Thanks for the tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Whoa, Meiryo just wiped the floor with the default fonts. Thanks for the tip! No problem :) They should've done this right away with Win7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejn Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 No problem :)They should've done this right away with Win7. No kidding. I'm kind of curious what their reasoning is for using the old fonts is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueFiberOptics Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 No kidding. I'm kind of curious what their reasoning is for using the old fonts is. I'm sure for compatibility reasons or something. I just wish Windows 7 used Meiryo for everything by default, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I'm sure for compatibility reasons or something. I just wish Windows 7 used Meiryo for everything by default, though. More like for stupidity reasons :rofl: It's not like using new fonts instead of the crappy old ones would break any apps or something: "Uh-oh, xyz.exe crashed because you used a different font!" :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaD Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Kylejn, Check out the following link for more information why Microsoft made certain decisions that they did. There are helpful videos and more that explain and answer questions you may have: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd361745.aspx Jessica Microsoft TechNet / Springboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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