Windows 7 RC and Ownerships


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Hello!

I've installed Windows 7 RC. Initially i had Vista and then upgraded vista to Windows 7 7077. Then tried to do an upgrade to RC but failed, and restored previous version of 7077. I then did a clean installations, formating the system disk.

I'm having problems with the permissions of the hard drives and the partitions. I have 3 disk drives and several partitions on each. Some of the hard drives's have transfered the previous OS's permissions and ownerships from previous OS installations. Is this possible ? Therefore i have some problems accessing some folders, and some files, and also in general the ownnerships on the hard disks folders and files have been mixed, something which i want to repair.

How can i do a clean installation and make all of my hard drives folders and files have the correct ownerships and permissions ? Is there a way ? I've been trying to fix the ownserships manually but it's a hustle and also some have other ownerships on files within them. So this is not an option. Also taking ownerships only on my username i believe is a bad habbit and not the correct method.

Please, can someone give me a solution ? I want to do a clean installation, and let windows 7 manage the ownerships on all folders on all files on all hard disks.

THanx

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It was just an observation... :blink:

Chiggidty check yo'self before this du' pull a 187 on ya'll!

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Hello!

I've installed Windows 7 RC. Initially i had Vista and then upgraded vista to Windows 7 7077. Then tried to do an upgrade to RC but failed, and restored previous version of 7077. I then did a clean installations, formating the system disk.

I'm having problems with the permissions of the hard drives and the partitions. I have 3 disk drives and several partitions on each. Some of the hard drives's have transfered the previous OS's permissions and ownerships from previous OS installations. Is this possible ? Therefore i have some problems accessing some folders, and some files, and also in general the ownnerships on the hard disks folders and files have been mixed, something which i want to repair.

How can i do a clean installation and make all of my hard drives folders and files have the correct ownerships and permissions ? Is there a way ? I've been trying to fix the ownserships manually but it's a hustle and also some have other ownerships on files within them. So this is not an option. Also taking ownerships only on my username i believe is a bad habbit and not the correct method.

Please, can someone give me a solution ? I want to do a clean installation, and let windows 7 manage the ownerships on all folders on all files on all hard disks.

THanx

Just browse to the folders in question using explorer, if Windows does not have sufficient permissions it will ask if you want to access the folder, you need to accept this. You'll have to do this for every folder that has this problem. It's because Vista's NTFS permission attributes still remain on the folder.

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Just browse to the folders in question using explorer, if Windows does not have sufficient permissions it will ask if you want to access the folder, you need to accept this. You'll have to do this for every folder that has this problem. It's because Vista's NTFS permission attributes still remain on the folder.

Actually it just denies access... and the option of taking ownership is just for the current user if i am not mistaken... so if you have 5 users for example, you need to do these for all of them for every folder for every hdd... so not an option...

Besides that's what i'm asking, how to do a clean installation and have my hdd's cleaned of previous windows permissions... there must be a way, isn't there ??? or do you keep every windows installation permissions and ownerships for life ???

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Actually it just denies access... and the option of taking ownership is just for the current user if i am not mistaken... so if you have 5 users for example, you need to do these for all of them for every folder for every hdd... so not an option...

Besides that's what i'm asking, how to do a clean installation and have my hdd's cleaned of previous windows permissions... there must be a way, isn't there ??? or do you keep every windows installation permissions and ownerships for life ???

Any reason why you can't just format the drives and do a fresh install? No external HDDs to backup to?

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When I do a Reinstall, i do the following......( from memory )

Right click on the drive in question and go to properties, then security tab, then advanced tab, owner tab and ensure Administrator is owner. back to permissions tab. click change, then tick replace all child object permissions....

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Any reason why you can't just format the drives and do a fresh install? No external HDDs to backup to?

mmm, some terras of data to be backed uo, just because microsoft can't manage properly their ownerships in each new installations... interesting... nah, not an option...

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When I do a Reinstall, i do the following......( from memory )

Right click on the drive in question and go to properties, then security tab, then advanced tab, owner tab and ensure Administrator is owner. back to permissions tab. click change, then tick replace all child object permissions....

That would be a good solution i guess, only if the previous os's permissions were also deleted. I can still find permissions from Windows XP and Windows Vista in my drives, along with a question mark next to them (because they no longer exist of course).

The ideal solution would be to wipe out the ownerships and permissions somehow from the disk. Are they stored somewhere ? Are they stored within System Volume Information or is it just for the restore points ?

thnx.

PS. Even if i delete all of the permissions for each drive, will the next windows installation create the proper ones for each one individually ? Or will i have to make it manually ?

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That would be a good solution i guess, only if the previous os's permissions were also deleted. I can still find permissions from Windows XP and Windows Vista in my drives, along with a question mark next to them (because they no longer exist of course).

The ideal solution would be to wipe out the ownerships and permissions somehow from the disk. Are they stored somewhere ? Are they stored within System Volume Information or is it just for the restore points ?

thnx.

PS. Even if i delete all of the permissions for each drive, will the next windows installation create the proper ones for each one individually ? Or will i have to make it manually ?

Of course it's going to keep the old permissions, it's a security feature. You wouldn't want Joe Schmoe taking your drive and installing it in his computer where he'd be free to browse all of your data would you? Anyway, just set the permissions of the entire drive to Administrator with full control and you should have everything you're looking for.

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To fix this you have to give Ownership to the "Administrators" group. Make sure that you check "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects".

Also, you might have to change the permissions so that the Administrators and SYSTEM groups have Full control, while the Users group only had Read & Execute, List Folder contents and Read.

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Of course it's going to keep the old permissions, it's a security feature. You wouldn't want Joe Schmoe taking your drive and installing it in his computer where he'd be free to browse all of your data would you? Anyway, just set the permissions of the entire drive to Administrator with full control and you should have everything you're looking for.

Erm, and how would that keep Joe Schmoe The Administrator from accessing my files ? And even if i ain't create an admin ownership, and only create myusername ownership, wouldn't he/she be able to create new permissions if he/she is the admin of his/hers computer ???

Besides, if someone enters my home and robs me, i think my selection of mp3's, videos, games, emails, etc. is the last thing i would mind being stolen. If we are talking about office or government material, then i guess the ideal solution for not getting robbed is not the permissions of the operating system you are working at.

thanx though, i guess the only solution is to create such admin permission as you suggest...

To fix this you have to give Ownership to the "Administrators" group. Make sure that you check "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects".

Also, you might have to change the permissions so that the Administrators and SYSTEM groups have Full control, while the Users group only had Read & Execute, List Folder contents and Read.

I guess you're right about the system group as well. You wouldn't want to have any installations etc. problems in the future... Does the Authenticated Users have to be in there too ???

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Erm, and how would that keep Joe Schmoe The Administrator from accessing my files ? And even if i ain't create an admin ownership, and only create myusername ownership, wouldn't he/she be able to create new permissions if he/she is the admin of his/hers computer ???

Besides, if someone enters my home and robs me, i think my selection of mp3's, videos, games, emails, etc. is the last thing i would mind being stolen. If we are talking about office or government material, then i guess the ideal solution for not getting robbed is not the permissions of the operating system you are working at.

thanx though, i guess the only solution is to create such admin permission as you suggest...

I guess you're right about the system group as well. You wouldn't want to have any installations etc. problems in the future... Does the Authenticated Users have to be in there too ???

The problem with all of this is it's not only a Windows feature, it's also an NTFS security feature. That's why they say.

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