piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 ....it's so incomplete, how can this even be considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows7even Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 incomplete? tell me whats not complete and then you can ask questions...its feature complete....bug fixes are the only thing left to do...70-80 percent done imho....rtm is release..were a few bug busting builds away from that yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08993 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Generally RC's are feature complete but not necessarily fluff complete. Whether you consider help files as fluff is subjective I guess tho :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted May 8, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 8, 2009 I'd also like to know how it is incomplete? If you're talking about certain icons and the fact that it looks somewhat similar to Windows Vista (mainly because of icons like the 'Back' and 'Forward' buttons; everything else is changed - glass is not counted as something which needs to be changed in order for the interface to look different enough), Microsoft have already stated that this is a minor release, rather than a major release (although I see it as a major release because of the vast improvements and new features) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted May 8, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 8, 2009 Just stick with an older "complete" OS if you think Windows 7 is "so incomplete." Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEVER85 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 ....it's so incomplete, how can this even be considered? RC means Release Candidate, therefore, it's a candidate to be the released (RTM) version. I would hardly call Windows 7 RC "incomplete". Granted I went back to Vista due to an annoying bug that's probably not 7's fault by itself, but it's far and away the most complete RC I've ever used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted May 8, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 8, 2009 It's incomplete. It doesn't make me breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kurisu- Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 It's incomplete. It doesn't make me breakfast. Yeah I know. Curse you Microsoft!!! >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach_ Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I've never used the help files. F1'd and read "[This content is preliminary and subject to change.]". Looked pretty good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Man relax... Trust me, I love Win7, a lot!!!! - so many pluses. I'm just trying to figure out the RC thing. I was probing around Win7 - and every chance I had to click on a link that would open up Help...many of the pops from help were either blank or had a notification that "revisions" are coming. Now as one guy said it. Help might be fluff and address later. But where I get confused is that why call it "RC"???? How can this be a realese candidate while some things are incomplete, again such as help???? Can someone clarify...was 7100 just called "RC" as a schedule thing? - I mean, you can't take this thing as is and mass produce it yet - could they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Man relax... Trust me, I love Win7, a lot!!!! - so many pluses. I'm just trying to figure out the RC thing. I was probing around Win7 - and every chance I had to click on a link that would open up Help...many of the pops from help were either blank or had a notification that "revisions" are coming. Do you have any examples of the help being blank? As for the message in the help files about the content being preliminary and subject to change, it will be an automatically generated tag that is inserted in the pre-release versions but wouldn't be inserted when you built the release version from the same source files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Man relax... Trust me, I love Win7, a lot!!!! - so many pluses. I'm just trying to figure out the RC thing. I was probing around Win7 - and every chance I had to click on a link that would open up Help...many of the pops from help were either blank or had a notification that "revisions" are coming. Now as one guy said it. Help might be fluff and address later. But where I get confused is that why call it "RC"???? How can this be a realese candidate while some things are incomplete, again such as help???? Can someone clarify...was 7100 just called "RC" as a schedule thing? - I mean, you can't take this thing as is and mass produce it yet - could they? No it doesnt mean that 7100 if it was found to be bug free would be sent to RTM without changing anything, they just mean that it is a candidate for the RTM build they would use it and put the final polish on it before going RTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleSpellbinder Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I mean, you can't take this thing as is and mass produce it yet - could they? The only issues I could see with Win 7 RC might be a scant few program and driver compatibility issues that remain. And that's not Windows 7 responsibility. It's up to the program and/or application companies to make themselves compatible with Win 7. Not the other way around. For me, Windows 7 RC is more solid than Vista. So yes, as far as I'm concerned....Why not release 7 as is? It's a rock solid OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 The only issues I could see with Win 7 RC might be a scant few program and driver compatibility issues that remain. And that's not Windows 7 responsibility. It's up to the program and/or application companies to make themselves compatible with Win 7. Not the other way around. For me, Windows 7 RC is more solid than Vista. So yes, as far as I'm concerned....Why not release 7 as is? It's a rock solid OS. Ok so when I require help - and I search the help files, I get blank pages and some that state need revision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleSpellbinder Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 That's why it's called Release Candidate. There are, of course, a few minor things that will be fixed and/or completed. My point about "release it as is" was in regards to the complete functionality and reliability of the OS as a whole. The Final RTM will have these things complete. Release Candidate is not meant to be a primary OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dave164 Subscriber¹ Posted May 8, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted May 8, 2009 I love all the people at the minute saying ohhh Windows 7 is incomplete.. its just funny. People, it is a release candidate, things behind the scenes are going to change, features need to be tuned, etc.. thats the general lifecycle! If you mean by incomplete that like some apps don't work on it, such as Punkbuster, then thats not Microsofts fault ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTN Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 So, look at it this way... You are a "candidate" for a job you are applying for. Does that mean you will get the job? No, not necessarily. You have to meet all the requirements to be an employee. While you may meet many of them, you don't meet all, so you will remain a candidate until you do. Same situation for the RC. It may meet all the requirements for RTM, but it still needs some finishing touches before it will meet all the requirements to become employed. If you are looking for something in "help" and can't find it...just come here and ask. Until then, its a Release CANDIDATE...its not FINAL. :-) David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray_finkle Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I remember running RC1 and RC2 for Windows XP back in 2001. Cosmetically and feature-wise they were almost identical to the RTM. It was all background tuning and bug fixes that made most of the RTM what it was. I wish I still had those ISO's in a folder somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavvyFx Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Ok so when I require help - and I search the help files, I get blank pages and some that state need revision? This would mean 1 thing is missing. Clearly they will be putting in help files before it is realeased as support would be one of Microsoft's major costs... Therefore this the RC isn't "so incomplete" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 That's why it's called Release Candidate. There are, of course, a few minor things that will be fixed and/or completed. My point about "release it as is" was in regards to the complete functionality and reliability of the OS as a whole. The Final RTM will have these things complete. Release Candidate is not meant to be a primary OS. Ok...go it.. I know that there is a bug thread...but since I engage you... I'm experiencing these bugs. so RC IMO isn't really ready. WPM 12 -Album art does not always appear...need to toggle different views to make them appear. -Sync does not alow to adjust conversion rate. Anything but default settings result in error and will not sync to device. -WMP 12 says it's low on memory while viewing internet videos... (I have 8 GB of ram) and this happens while viewing 1 video at a time -WMP 12 - The start menu recently used list - there is not option to clear the list. Start menu -Sometimes the white part of the start menu goes blank...only way to fix it is loging off or restarting Windows -Delete and move start menu items doesn't always work. I need to open all users and in explorer move or delete items from there -The icon on the top of the start menu sometimes gets stuck - does not change when I highligh different items on the menu Desktop gadgets -Sometimes they disapear System -My computer will not sleep - when I try it BSOD or will not wake up - the same system in Vista had no problems sleeping -I have an Phemon 2 @ 3.6 GHZ - It takes 1 minute to load up Disk Defrag -I cannot right click on the IE icon and select "Internet Options" - this was in vista -If I enable the favourite item on the start menu, and launch a site for that list, the window will always be a an unmaximized window... even if I maximize the window close it and try to reopen it. it will not remember it. Drivers (I know not MS fault) -nVidia drivers does not remember colour, gamma, brightness or contrast settings, every reboot I must reset Games DOOM 3 in vista (again same system) played like silk (no stutters) - in Win7 - the games stutters Help Menu Some items are incomplete or missing That's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1911 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 This RC is definately needs lots of improvement 1. WMP12 is in shambles with library crashes, no support for advanced tag editor, Poor album art support. Also video playback issues. 2. Cosmetics, inconsistent new icons with respect to older Vista icons. Some medieval era icons like regedit. So expect new icons in RTM. 3. Incomplete Help System Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElite Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Just stick with an older "complete" OS if you think Windows 7 is "so incomplete." Thanks. What sort of response is that? Or do you not care that Win 7 could be made BETTER than it already is? Maybe some people are content with things "nearly-finished" and not "completely finished". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Kompressor Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I find after installing the win7 RC1 now it seems to be slower than the beta back in January..... and I guess I'm not the only one noticing it either... speed_test_windows_7_may_not_be_much_faster_than_vista http://www.pcworld.com/article/164485/spee...than_vista.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Ok...go it..I know that there is a bug thread...but since I engage you... I'm experiencing these bugs. so RC IMO isn't really ready. WPM 12 -Album art does not always appear...need to toggle different views to make them appear. -Sync does not alow to adjust conversion rate. Anything but default settings result in error and will not sync to device. -WMP 12 says it's low on memory while viewing internet videos... (I have 8 GB of ram) and this happens while viewing 1 video at a time -WMP 12 - The start menu recently used list - there is not option to clear the list. WMP 12 is incomplete, while there is improvements in each build, they are essentially a different part of the development team as they need to release a version for Vista and possible Windows XP. So don't base Windows 7 on WMP. Start menu -Sometimes the white part of the start menu goes blank...only way to fix it is loging off or restarting Windows -Delete and move start menu items doesn't always work. I need to open all users and in explorer move or delete items from there -The icon on the top of the start menu sometimes gets stuck - does not change when I highligh different items on the menu Just a question, did you upgrade or did you do a clean install? It maybe RC, but there are quite a few bugs to be ironed out. A lot of the bugs people report is from upgrading, especially with cases from leaked builds which are "incomplete". Desktop gadgets -Sometimes they disapear Possible bug, but if you can answer to the above, that might help us and Microsoft. System -My computer will not sleep - when I try it BSOD or will not wake up - the same system in Vista had no problems sleeping -I have an Phemon 2 @ 3.6 GHZ - It takes 1 minute to load up Disk Defrag -I cannot right click on the IE icon and select "Internet Options" - this was in vista -If I enable the favourite item on the start menu, and launch a site for that list, the window will always be a an unmaximized window... even if I maximize the window close it and try to reopen it. it will not remember it. The first issue seems to be a driver issue, I don't have those problems. The second one is most likely a software problem with Disk Defrag. 3 and 4 are cosmetic issues, I hope they get resolved too Drivers (I know not MS fault) -nVidia drivers does not remember colour, gamma, brightness or contrast settings, every reboot I must reset Games DOOM 3 in vista (again same system) played like silk (no stutters) - in Win7 - the games stutters Most likely a driver issue, there is an improved driver model being tested. Help Menu Some items are incomplete or missing Not surprised, new stuff being added, things getting changed, things are incomplete, so the help the way it is pretty much sums everything up. That's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 It was an upgrade... I know.... I will try clean instal this weekend and report back if I have the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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