piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) Of the many things I love about Win7 one thing I?ll say is? It?s freaking fast! When compared to Vista. I don?t care if benchmark says only 5% faster? that cannot be right? It?s definitely snappier, loads faster, and shuts down faster. File transfers don?t even get me started; there was something wrong with Vista in that dept. What amazed me is how much faster Office 2007 got!!!! Gotta be a 100% speed increase that?s for sure. The only thing still kinda slow is Photoshop (takes so long to start, but thats typical of Adobe i guess) Also, for some strange reason, defrag take 1 minute to open? I love how my desktop is 100% usable right after login. Vista you had to wait 30 sec or so. Search is crazy, I can go on? There is no way that benchmark tested real life usage? I am wrong? How is gaming performance, does WDM (?) 1.1 help? I have the latest drivers and DOOM 3 stutters, where it did not in Vista? Edited May 8, 2009 by piedpiper09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanko panko Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Of the many things I love about Win7 one thing I?ll say is? It?s freaking fast! When compared to Vista. I don?t care if benchmark says only 5% faster? that cannot be right?It?s definitely snappier, loads faster, and shuts down faster. File transfers don?t even get me started; there was something wrong with Vista in that dept. What amazed me is how much faster Office 2007 got!!!! Gotta be a 100% speed increase that?s for sure. The only thing still kinda slow is Photoshop (takes so long to start, but that typical of Adobe) Also, for some strange reason, defrag take 1 minute to open? I love how my desktop is 100% usable right after login. Vista you had to wait 30 sec or so. Search is crazy, I can go on? There is no way that benchmark tested real life usage? I am wrong? How is gaming performance, does WDM (?) 1.1 help? I have the latest drivers and DOOM 3 stutters, where it did not in Vista? mmm, did you do a clean install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Wait for decent drivers, early days yet. WDDM does help out, but it helps out more with Windows rather than gaming performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 mmm, did you do a clean install? Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Wait for decent drivers, early days yet. WDDM does help out, but it helps out more with Windows rather than gaming performance. I'm a little confused... I thought Vista/Win7 drivers are basically the same... I thought there were no change under the hood for that sort thing... so didn't they have 3+ years to perfect the drivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I'm a little confused... I thought Vista/Win7 drivers are basically the same... I thought there were no change under the hood for that sort thing... so didn't they have 3+ years to perfect the drivers? Vista drivers (WDDM 1.0) do still work fine in Windows 7. But Micrsoft has updated the model in WDDM 1.1 in 7. It's not a huge change, but some advantages it has is it uses directx 10 for aero and cuts dwm memory usage in half. I personally have no problem with nvidia or ati's windows 7 wddm 1.1 drivers at all in any of my games, they work perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Vista drivers (WDDM 1.0) do still work fine in Windows 7. But Micrsoft has updated the model in WDDM 1.1 in 7. It's not a huge change, but some advantages it has is it uses directx 10 for aero and cuts dwm memory usage in half.I personally have no problem with nvidia or ati's windows 7 wddm 1.1 drivers at all in any of my games, they work perfectly. Good for you...but I haven't finished DOOM 3 and the stuttering is anoying. why did it worked fine in Vista? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 It could be anything from a compatibility problem with windows 7 (which is a prerelease os), a driver issue (I belive nvidias wdm 1.1 drivers are beta), or some kind of upgrade issue if you didn't clean install windows 7, or some program spiking your cpu or something. Could be many factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Should i blame WDDM thing on FireFox 3.5 lagging like hell on certain websites? :/ Anyone using it here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 OpenGL have some issues I suppose. Try a Direct3D game and see if it stutters or not, and try another driver set for your graphics card! Firefox 3.5 lagging on certain websites? Nah, haven't noticed such a thing. Or, yes, the MySpace music player. Nothing else, though, and it's probably not even Windows 7 related. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C++ Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 There is no way that benchmark tested real life usage? I am wrong? You are correct. PC benchmarks are pretty useless to the average consumer as a whole, essentially in the same manner that nuclear physics is useless to people who flip burgers for a living. Yea, that 5.327% throughput increase while using 2.46% less energy is "important." Just as "important" as anything else that doesn't change how I eat, sleep, breathe, or go on about my day in any way. Personally, the fundamental question I tend to ask is "How many extra seconds if precious life will this save me?" and if the benchmark fails to answer it directly, I don't bother looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 @Kameleont - Actually on further use, Windows Explorer laggs in the same exact fashion as well. When scrolling I get 50% CPU and I think that this is the problem. I am going to see whether there are newer drivers than WU for Realtek then poke around services to see if there is something in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 If, say, Windows 7 would save you a minute per day, you'd gain 19 days in 75 years to do something else. Now, to be more realistic, say it would save you 10 minutes each day. In 75 years, that's 190 days. We're getting close to a year doing other things. Seconds really matter, at least when it comes to computing. Who wants to sit around waiting for something to load? Not only that, an improved interface (in this case 7) also saves time. Damn, I hate talking about gaining time. It feels so much like industrialization, and I hate that. Go save the whales! @Kameleont - Actually on further use, Windows Explorer laggs in the same exact fashion as well. When scrolling I get 50% CPU and I think that this is the problem. I am going to see whether there are newer drivers than WU for Realtek then poke around services to see if there is something in there. Sounds as if your CPU is dealing with the rendering of your desktop. If Aero is enabled, that's not the case though, and well, starting to get far beyond my knowledge. Then starts the guessing game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Of the many things I love about Win7 one thing I’ll say is… It’s freaking fast! When compared to Vista. I don’t care if benchmark says only 5% faster… that cannot be right…It’s definitely snappier, loads faster, and shuts down faster. File transfers don’t even get me started; there was something wrong with Vista in that dept. What amazed me is how much faster Office 2007 got!!!! Gotta be a 100% speed increase that’s for sure. Yes, it surely is a great deal faster when compared to Vista :yes: Heck, it even feels a bit faster and snappier when compared to XP 64 :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooths* Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Had to do it with the title, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 It does not seem related to the Aero as whether or not I am using classic it still laggs - wtf is so hard at scrolling @ 60FPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 All I know is that I just encountered it as well...! Scrolling with the Photo Viewer. Annoying. I've had 7077 until today with no problems. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 It seems to kinda, like, pause then go, pause then go. As in, it can scroll smoothly for like a 1/4 of a second then it laggs. I experienced this in Pictures Folder and this is after scrolling down initially so it would have like loaded all the thumbnails by then which shouldn't lagg either I think. Disabling some services that are useless to me and scaling back Indexing to User Dir and XP64 User and disabling PF did not help me. Out of ideas. EDIT: I do not recall this being in older versions of W7, performance was not on par with XP but not anything this serious. :( W7 is a good media OS, but but this thing is like a worm in your cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Jones Veteran Posted May 9, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 9, 2009 The speed increase in Office 2007 could also be to do with Service Pack 2, which was released not long ago. I've noticed that since installing SP2, Office apps open a lot faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Should i blame WDDM thing on FireFox 3.5 lagging like hell on certain websites? :/Anyone using it here? 3.5 seems OK for me here .. but don't forget Firefox 3.5 is still a beta in itself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 Ok maybe someone can explain this.... Like I said DOOM 3 stutters where it did not in Vista.... But I just installed Bioshock...and man this game runs like silk smooth... where it did not in Vista. Strange! Does this have somehting to do with D3D/OPENGL ? I did some research on the DOOM 3 graphic engine and many other people also suffer the stuttering. So this could be a problem with DOOM 3 itself. Can anyone shed some light on this????? What really sucks is that I don't plan on going back to Vista and I haven't finished the game yet...but the stutter makes it unenjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Ok maybe someone can explain this....Like I said DOOM 3 stutters where it did not in Vista.... But I just installed Bioshock...and man this game runs like silk smooth... where it did not in Vista. Strange! Does this have somehting to do with D3D/OPENGL ? I did some research on the DOOM 3 graphic engine and many other people also suffer the stuttering. So this could be a problem with DOOM 3 itself. Can anyone shed some light on this????? What really sucks is that I don't plan on going back to Vista and I haven't finished the game yet...but the stutter makes it unenjoyable. I told you that one page back. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 I told you that one page back. :D So I take it that OPENGL is the culprit? Does Win7 not support OPENGL properly? - I guess not if other people are not experiencing the same problem. I have the latest drivers for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows7even Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 yea..the arrticle just looked at the raw numbers.....id say it is close to vista under the hood..what makes it seems so much faster is that the gdi is run in 3d now or so what i have read...which unlike vista...is what makes it seem to run so much faster..of course they cleaned up and optimized alot of since vista also so i guarantee that has something to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piedpiper09 Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 So I take it that OPENGL is the culprit? Does Win7 not support OPENGL properly? - I guess not if other people are not experiencing the same problem.I have the latest drivers for everything. Here's my specs... should run ok...right? Win7 64 BIT AMD Phenon 2 quad core @ 3.61 GHZ 8 GB of really fast ram :) - OCZ REAPER nVidia GeForce 8800 GT <---Should I upgrade? - I was thinking ATI Radeon? HD 3870 X2 Graphics Cards 10K WD VelociRaptor - 300 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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