Sotcr Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 There's a terrible bug (or not) in Windows 7, and that is the discrimination to those who does'nt have a powerfull videocard, I understand than those computers can not run Aero with transparency, but why they dont let us change the color? We are damned to the blue-gray color, and I really think than that sucks!! Here's an example, the left pic if the Non-aero computer (Could be Home Basic, Started, or just a computer with low video), and the right pic, is Windows 7 with aero enabled but transparency disabled, with a more nicer color and just that, no heavy process like the transparency... and I dont think than that is too much ask for a Non-aero PC (I'm telling you this supposing than you already know than the Visual Themes dont work properly on this low-systems, and when I try to change the Color Theme, Windows show me the window on the left pic (That's too 98)) :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrealvortex Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I know buddy. I would like to know if there is any technical reason for the lack of colors or if this is an effort to force you to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotcr Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 ... or if this is an effort to force you to upgrade. RIGHT!! Cuz really, Windows with those color is a lot nicer!! I think Microsoft think than people will drop the idea of the upgrade with this nice UI (transparency is not needed), but anyway, they wont distribute Home Basic/Started (GA)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KJ Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I hope Microsoft is working on at least giving a few color schemes for the Basic themes, just like XP had Olive and Silver. It's nothing difficult or timely to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrealvortex Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 RIGHT!! Cuz really, Windows with those color is a lot nicer!! I think Microsoft think than people will drop the idea of the upgrade with this nice UI (transparency is not needed), but anyway, they wont distribute Home Basic/Started (GA)... I was thinking ofpeople upgrading from basic to professional or ultimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Since a graphics card that supports Aero is now a REQUIREMENT for running Windows 7 I highly doubt they will be doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 ^ what he said. there's no point improving things for such a tiny number of people. all oem pcs will be running aero so it's a non issue from microsoft's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted May 9, 2009 Member Share Posted May 9, 2009 ...that is the discrimination to those who does'nt have a powerfull videocard... I first tested windows 7 on an old machine we we're using as a server in our house. The grapchics card was just bought incase we needed to configure anything and is a brandless half size piece of crap we bought on ebay for ?3! It runs aero with full transparency and is far from 'powerfull'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrealvortex Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hey! All we are asking for are color schemes. If there is a product called Windows 7 Basic, there will be people (not a tiny number) who will be buying this. All those will have to suffer the baby blue sh*t that is the only possible color scheme in Basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hey! All we are asking for are color schemes. If there is a product called Windows 7 Basic, there will be people (not a tiny number) who will be buying this. All those will have to suffer the baby blue sh*t that is the only possible color scheme in Basic. As far as I know it won't be sold, and Home Basic has Aero without Transparancy and Shadows anyway... You don't have a point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Blue01 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Its not just a matter of color schemes, the Aero Basic skin is basically the same as an XP visual style: everything about it is fixed in the style itself. That said they should have made more substyles, even Luna has the silver and green colors! But that would mean more work for their art department to create and test in every app. Besides Windows 7 Basic isn't going to be widely available, they won't repeat the mistake they did with the availability of Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda X Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotcr Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 Anyway, some computer will bring OEM Windows 7 with Home Basic/Starter, and in other countrys they will sell Starter edition, and the people who has a lower 128mb video will experience this too... We are not asking too much, just enable this window on those scenarios and meki it work! (Wothout transparency, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 What really bother me is the requirements to run the GUI. I am not sure why no one else mentioned this more, but 128MB seem like rather overkill for the GUI. Now, if the GUI was 3D with a 3D TaskBar and a 3D Background - like those in HL2 - then 128 would be justified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee G. Veteran Posted May 10, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 10, 2009 128MB is nothing for today's standards. You can pick up an Aero compatible graphics card dirt cheap nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornel001 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Still, its the idea : why 128 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 It's not like it won't work on anything with less than 128MB of video memory. It can easily take some of your real RAM to use as video memory. And actually you still don't have a point, as OEM's will NOT be allowed to sell Windows 7 (any version) with PC's that can't run Aero. Starter is a special edition that won't even be sold in most countries, and if it's like Windows Vista it won't be popular at all. Home Basic uses Aero but without shadows and transparancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotcr Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 Home Basic uses Aero but without shadows and transparancy. Yes, I know, but there's no way to change the color in Home Basic, the Themes does'nt work, and the color chooser is not enable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yes, I know, but there's no way to change the color in Home Basic, the Themes does'nt work, and the color chooser is not enable Well they clearly state that all versions but Home Basic contain Aero glass and it's just a feature of Aero Glass I suppose. If you don't like baby blue there's always Classic, you can change it's colors just fine if you want to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.G Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Why not stop all the whining, use a patched uxtheme then you can have any colour or visual style you want? The "I don't like the defult theme" argument is older than dirt and it hasn't been a real issue for years (if ever), except by those who have little better to do than complain about everything MS doesn't let them do. Want out of the box customization? Download Linux, otherwise use your noodle and simply sidestep the problem like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 That's like complaining that this only comes in gray... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 That's like complaining that this only comes in gray... Actually it doesn't :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 128MB is nothing for today's standards. You can pick up an Aero compatible graphics card dirt cheap nowadays. That is the problem though. Instead of optimizing the code, one could just rely on the fact that hardware will become more powerful in the future. It is an excuse if there is a good example of one. Just look at a DX9 video game that requires 128MB VRAM and then compare that to blur and basic 3D effects of W7 GUI. Which is more impressive? Blurring effects are not really that performance costly and neither is a basic 3D effect - I have seen these effects in games requiring Pixel Shader Model 1.4... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotcr Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Actually it doesn't :p :laugh: If I have "Basic" and try to perzonalize with a Theme, the color does'nt change... so, it's a bug! I really can not think than Microsoft is going to release Win7 whitout support for change the color (Basic UI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y_notm Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 :laugh: If I have "Basic" and try to perzonalize with a Theme, the color does'nt change... so, it's a bug! I really can not think than Microsoft is going to release Win7 whitout support for change the color (Basic UI) They're not going to. Why waste resources on a legacy technology? Basic is only there as a fallback if you can't get the DWM for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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