Kalint Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Does anyone know if Windows 7 RTM will have an upgrade option? I'm only asking because I hate reinstalling all my apps, installing patches, transferring licenses, personalizing for 4-5 hours... Otherwise Windows 7 is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) edit: You retitled this. Yes, Vista to 7 will be possible. Edited May 10, 2009 by episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda X Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Does anyone know if Windows 7 RTM will have an upgrade option? I'm only asking because I hate reinstalling all my apps, installing patches, transferring licenses, personalizing for 4-5 hours...Otherwise Windows 7 is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. If you don't like it then don't use it as your main OS. If you're technical enough to be using a Beta (even though it's stable enough) as you main OS then you can install all your stuff again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalint Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 If you don't like it then don't use it as your main OS. If you're technical enough to be using a Beta (even though it's stable enough) as you main OS then you can install all your stuff again. I said RTM (Release to Manufacturer). I would have to reinstall no matter what if I ran the beta as my main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Does anyone know if Windows 7 RTM will have an upgrade option? I'm only asking because I hate reinstalling all my apps, installing patches, transferring licenses, personalizing for 4-5 hours...Otherwise Windows 7 is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. While it will have an upgrade option (Beta and RC already have), I strongly recommend against using it, as upgrading from Vista often causes all sorts of troubles, so you can spend hours on trying to track them down. Even if it doesn't have any obvious problems, it's often much slower. I'd recommend you do a clean install, it's the only way to get the best performance. and you won't run into lots of obscure, upgrade based problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excalpius Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Actually, in place upgrade based problems went away with the post XP age of Windows. You can Google for the details, but in short, Vista (and now Windows 7) ALWAYS create a new installation. But if you choose upgrade, it uses a bunch of under the hood wizards to migrate your programs and data. So, you'll have no problems whatsoever upgrading Vista to Windows 7 RTM or the Windows 7 betas (check the editing you need to do of a specific ini file to make this possible) to Windows 7 RTM. Note that some people were confusing driver to driver changes and bugs in upgrading Windows 7 beta to beta to beta for the old corrupt Windows 98 to XP upgrade problems of a decade ago. Hopefully, with the RC update, they've caught up with the facts. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Does anyone know if Windows 7 RTM will have an upgrade option? I'm only asking because I hate reinstalling all my apps, installing patches, transferring licenses, personalizing for 4-5 hours...Otherwise Windows 7 is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Why wouldn't it? I've already upgraded Mom (Vista Ultimate with SP2 to 7 RC). Going from Vista to 7 should be little to no different than going from XP to Vista (except the performance increase is liable to be much greater). While it will have an upgrade option (Beta and RC already have), I strongly recommend against using it, as upgrading from Vista often causes all sorts of troubles, so you can spend hours on trying to track them down. Even if it doesn't have any obvious problems, it's often much slower.I'd recommend you do a clean install, it's the only way to get the best performance. and you won't run into lots of obscure, upgrade based problems. In Mom's case, upgrading from Vista to 7 was MUCH easier than upgrading form XP to Vista (and that is actually *despite* Mom still using AOL 9.1 VR). Mom's actually noticed performance *gains* with most of her applications (and that none of her applications perform any worse); the only quibble was the printer settings (and that was actually my fault, not Mom's or that of Microsoft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalint Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 Why wouldn't it?I've already upgraded Mom (Vista Ultimate with SP2 to 7 RC). Going from Vista to 7 should be little to no different than going from XP to Vista (except the performance increase is liable to be much greater). In Mom's case, upgrading from Vista to 7 was MUCH easier than upgrading form XP to Vista (and that is actually *despite* Mom still using AOL 9.1 VR). Mom's actually noticed performance *gains* with most of her applications (and that none of her applications perform any worse); the only quibble was the printer settings (and that was actually my fault, not Mom's or that of Microsoft). Yeah but isn't Windows 7 basically a stripped down version of Vista with a partially new GUI anyways? I would assume that drivers should work with both OS's. And the folder structure is the same as vista. (As a side note, wasn't DLL's and registry supposed to be killed off MS...) :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Jolt Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yeah but isn't Windows 7 basically a stripped down version of Vista with a partially new GUI anyways? I would assume that drivers should work with both OS's. And the folder structure is the same as vista.(As a side note, wasn't DLL's and registry supposed to be killed off MS...) :yes: This was a very ignorant post, seriously, the registry and dlls were *supposed* to be killed off? What world do you come from, right now the registry is functioning perfectly, nothing is wrong with dlls. Stripped down version of Windows Vista, wtf are you talking about? Windows 7 is not a stripped down version of Windows Vista, it was built off of Windows Vista. Stripped down version might be Windows PE, not the next version of Windows being just stripped down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalint Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 This was a very ignorant post, seriously, the registry and dlls were *supposed* to be killed off? What world do you come from, right now the registry is functioning perfectly, nothing is wrong with dlls. Stripped down version of Windows Vista, wtf are you talking about? Windows 7 is not a stripped down version of Windows Vista, it was built off of Windows Vista. Stripped down version might be Windows PE, not the next version of Windows being just stripped down... Yikes! Stop drinking Mountain Dew (Oops another ignorant post). Yeah it's been out for a while they were going to remove the need of DLLs and registry for a while now. What part of "basically" are you having the most trouble understanding? You just admitted vista's code is being use "basically" in Windows 7. Do us a favor and don't respond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda X Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yikes! Stop drinking Mountain Dew (Oops another ignorant post).Yeah it's been out for a while they were going to remove the need of DLLs and registry for a while now. What part of "basically" are you having the most trouble understanding? You just admitted vista's code is being use "basically" in Windows 7. Do us a favor and don't respond... What the fsck are you talking about? Microsoft will never get rid of DLLs nor the Registry unless they were to code a new OS from scratch. Even then I could see them re-implementing both. Electric Bolt is completely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yikes! Stop drinking Mountain Dew (Oops another ignorant post).Yeah it's been out for a while they were going to remove the need of DLLs and registry for a while now. What part of "basically" are you having the most trouble understanding? You just admitted vista's code is being use "basically" in Windows 7. Do us a favor and don't respond... That's because Windows 7 IS Windows Vista, but it's been more steamlined with code changes and so on to improve performance, you've been mistaken if you've thought otherwise. Also, there is nothing wrong with the registry or DLL's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 So, you'll have no problems whatsoever upgrading Vista to Windows 7 RTM That's utter nonsense :no: While it's not the nightmare anymore it used to be with upgrades up to XP, there are still lots of things which can, and *do*, go wrong :pinch: There are still a lot of people who have all sorts of problems after upgrading from Vista to Win7: sluggish performance, instability and frequent bluescreens, odd quirks... Also, there's another portion of people where the upgrade totally failed and they were told: "Upgrade failed. The previous version of Windows has been restored." So it's still *far* from being free of problems, even if it's not quite as troublesome anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excalpius Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 There are still a lot of people who have all sorts of problems after upgrading from Vista to Win7: sluggish performance, instability and frequent bluescreens, odd quirks...Also, there's another portion of people where the upgrade totally failed and they were told: "Upgrade failed. The previous version of Windows has been restored." The "Upgrade failed" was a problem with the BETAS and has not yet been reported with the RC now has it? In fact, the same people who had a failed in place upgrade also could not install clean, because the problem was in the beta OS itself, not due to in place upgrading. The same goes with the "quirks" you mentioned. As I said above in my post, those beta bugs were misinterpreted by some people as "in place upgrade" related problems. They weren't. So, I was SPECIFICALLY addressing the very misconceptions you are continuing to spread inaccurately in your reply and yet you chose to just ignore that (or did you miss the letters RTM in my post?). You won't see these issues in the RC...check and you'll see...and you won't have them with the RTM. There is NO performance or stability difference between an in-place upgrade or clean install (for the reasons I mentioned above), period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Yikes! Stop drinking Mountain Dew (Oops another ignorant post).Yeah it's been out for a while they were going to remove the need of DLLs and registry for a while now. What part of "basically" are you having the most trouble understanding? You just admitted vista's code is being use "basically" in Windows 7. Do us a favor and don't respond... First of all, this sounds like some myth that was spread by some guy on his blog. Second, what do you want them to replace the registry with? What is your superior alternative? Plain text files? How is that a better solution, and how would you apply access control to individual items in a text file? And do you understand what a DLL is? It is the mechanism Windows programs use to run external code (which also includes all system APIs). How do you propose one removes that? And what do you want it to be replaced with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted May 11, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 11, 2009 Someone has already mentioned it, but upgrading to Vista and 7 doesn't work the same way it used to. All data is gathered first, the OS is installed, and the data and settings are replaced. Everything worked as with a clean install when I tested an Vista>7000 upgrade. And purging DLLs and the registry? How, and why? DLLs are reusable code like ".so" files from Linux, and the registry works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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