jjrambo Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) ?Vista Business is being superceded by 7 Professional. There isn't going to be a 7 Business SKU. If i got it right there is Windows 7 Starter, Windows 7 Home Basic, Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate. Really big difference :rolleyes: People who need multi language support they will go with Windows 7 Ultimate, they have to. Home edition is useless for most people because of the lack of some essential feature Windows 7 Professional has. When MS comes up with idea of having one edition for Windows 7 or Windows 8 in the future i will say good job otherwise this is just bull****. Vista's UI looks like circus, Windows 7 UI is good looking, very consistent and i say good job MS there. Homegroup vs Workgroup is crap. MS messed it up. Homegroup works as long as you are with other Windows 7 or Vista machines. If you have Server 2003 or XP on the network there is no ****ing way you will see them in the network unless you set workgroup to be the same name across all stations. Of course you can access those stations and shared drives on them by typing \\computername\sharedfoldername\ , but how many people know that? Average Joe does not. I am just throwin in some example so it doesn't look like i am MS hater or something. Edited May 18, 2009 by jjrambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregrocker Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) Here's hoping for the day you get your vehicle stolen, simply because the thief doesn't think the price of the car has come down enough. So, in the meantime, he'll just take yours. Why? 'Cause he can!Cheers! :beer: Ludicrous comparison. Nobody is stealing some working guy's hard-earned car or copy of Win7, but reacting to a price point that previously funded the richest man in the world, who in turn funded the world's largest foundation that funded mammoth African AIDS relief. If as a company they are concerned for the poor, then a very practical way to help more people right now would be to cut the profit margin on this product and allow the world's poor to cyber up. It seems easy: People with money like to demonstrate that they can pay for more, so set the price point for Ultimate high enough to tap them for the the profits to fund Ballmer's trillion dollar foundation. Even price the Premium version a tad higher to value Aero as a luxury which many consider it to be. But MS can best be the good world citizen we know they want to be, demonstrated by their past good works with their profits, if they forgo some of the profit on the basic version to allow poor and working people to buy into the future they have created with this spectacular operating system. The irony is that this might actually be a volume sales issue, where they calculate that a lower price could sell quickly a billion copies and they wouldn't have enough servers to update them or call centers to support them. They may be pricing up just to tamp the demand because I honestly don't think anything previously sold by anyone can match this product. Edited May 18, 2009 by gregrocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted May 18, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2009 ?Vista Business is being superceded by 7 Professional. There isn't going to be a 7 Business SKU. You're right, I forgot there is no business version now. slot Pro at $200 and Home Premium at $150. And the upgrade discs still let you do a clean install last I checked, also, since Vista went to an image based install upgrading is no longer really an upgrade. It's a clean install which then copies over your files and whatever settings apply. It's no different from doing a documents and settings backup with the transfer wizard, doing a clean install, then using the wizard to import your backup yourself. That's exactly what the Vista and Win7 "upgrade" does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted May 19, 2009 Member Share Posted May 19, 2009 But MS can best be the good world citizen we know they want to be, demonstrated by their past good works with their profits, if they forgo some of the profit on the basic version to allow poor and working people to buy into the future they have created with this spectacular operating system. I agree with that. MS may agree with that. The press and all the users may agree with that. MS stockholders won't agree with that, however. In fact, they would be very angry and heads would roll. All businesses are in the business of making money. In my opinion, based on the fact that MS has billions of dollars of cash on hand, they charge too much for their products. Obviously a lot of people can afford it but just as obvious (with all the piracy going on) many can not. I use Linux. I know it's not for everyone but I'm a geeky kind of guy who enjoys tinkering with computers. Kubuntu will do everything I do in Windows expect play a few games. I realize that it may not do everything everyone does. However even it it does 80% of what most people do, at a price of $0, then that means to me that Windows is vastly over priced. Of course, price is based on demand and what the market will bear, and not use. Still, I think it's a fair comparison. To me, all the big corporations are too greedy by far. That's one of the reasons why the economy is in the shape it is in. They need a new fair purchasing system and not keep charging as much as they can for as long as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipwoody Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Who needs to? just buy a new laptop with a pre-installed version of Windows 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eevo Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 woah woah woah, stop the presses. since when did people start paying for windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eevo Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Hmm, this might increase Linux market shares a bit, they wanted to take a bite out of Ubuntu netbooks, but now they can't with an oversized price tag VS. Ubuntu's free price tag. i doubt it, too much fear of the unkown in linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deletedxyz Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Student discount price ftw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted May 19, 2009 Member Share Posted May 19, 2009 Who needs to? just buy a new laptop with a pre-installed version of Windows 7. The first thing I do when I buy a new laptop is to reinstall Windows with a disk from MS. I hate all the crud they but on those things. Just give me the pure Windows and I can add anything I want to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleSpellbinder Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Who needs to? just buy a new laptop with a pre-installed version of Windows 7.The first thing I do when I buy a new laptop is to reinstall Windows with a disk from MS. I hate all the crud they but on those things. Just give me the pure Windows and I can add anything I want to it. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipwoody Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 The first thing I do when I buy a new laptop is to reinstall Windows with a disk from MS. I hate all the crud they but on those things. Just give me the pure Windows and I can add anything I want to it. Alright, so pay the full price then. OR Get 7 pre-installed and then uninstall all those crap software that comes with the laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregrocker Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Alright, so pay the full price then.OR Get 7 pre-installed and then uninstall all those crap software that comes with the laptop. There is a middle option that avoids the inevitable corruption that remains after uninstalling all of the bloatware, and buying a new retail copy to install on the same computer. Your OEM license entitles you to a copy of that version of Windows, and a disk provided for that purpose by MS (sometimes) or borrowed from a friend will activate and is fully legal for the life of the computer. You do not have to be insulted by Toshiba telling you that you must run their bloatware and cannot have a clean copy of Windows. I believe eMachines/Gateway still provide a clean OEM disk with your purchase, or they did for my last two purchases from them last year. Others may disagree, but I personally think that clean reinstalling to lose the bloatware is what separates tech enthusiasts from amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregrocker Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Who needs to? just buy a new laptop with a pre-installed version of Windows 7. The point of all this speculation is that prices may be going up across the board. Manufacturers will pass on any increase in their bulk license purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra.Xtreme Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Others may disagree, but I personally think that clean reinstalling to lose the bloatware is what separates tech enthusiasts from amateurs. I completely agree with that statement. It's a shame the pricing will go up, so thank god for MSDNAA. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Higher prices than Vista would be really stupid by MS. For one, people have less money now due to tougher times, and there's still a vast amount of people sitting on XP and considering if they should upgrade. A high price would scare them away. Others may disagree, but I personally think that clean reinstalling to lose the bloatware is what separates tech enthusiasts from amateurs. Fully agree too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) I didn't see any prices in the article. Just someone claiming Dell said the price could be a problem. My understanding of the Dell quote is they are equating Vista Business to Win 7 Professional, even though Win 7 Professional is a new SKU closer to Ultimate than Vista Business. W7 Pro is a subset of Home Premium and Business features where Vista Business lacked Media Center and other multimedia related items. The two arent comparible when you look at the actual feature list. Dell is simply stating that since Professional is going to cost more than Vista Business, that this equates to a price increase. This is only true if you would have picked the now defunct Business version over both Home Premium or Professional. The reality is that most people are going to just buy Home Premium and will not see much if any of a price increase in the cost of Windows. Enthisiast, like myself will lean Professional because of network based back ups and other features missing in HP. I really hope it isn't more expensive than Vista but that seems inevitable. The OEM price of Vista has increased since launch (despite the retail price dropping), so now that they have a positive image behind it they're not going to suddenly drop the price. However, because of the added features in Win 7 Professional I don't need the Ultimate version for Windows Backup, so perhaps it will end up about the same price I paid. I dunno, I still think Microsoft is a bit out of touch with the market place - there really isn't a need for so many different versions: just Home and Professional would do it. Just a tid bit of info for you. Home Premium will now have complete pc backup, including imaging. The only back up feature planned for Professional missing in HP is network based backups. No it isn't. And neither is 7.There are some improvements in 7...especially in their 64bit version.(as compared to xp 64) But there are many things that simply do not work as well...and require extra work to do the same job. (I'll run now to don my flak jacket) Try installing a SSD in XP and then go do the same in Windows 7 and get back with me on the require extra work to do the same job comment. when Windows Vista first released i saw it going for 500 dollars at office depot...If Windows 7 is going to be more expensive, I dont know too many people that will have the money for that... Windows Vista NEVER cost more than $400 retail for Ultimate. OEM was $199 at launch and now sells for around $159 - $179 depending on the vendor. Edited May 21, 2009 by soonerproud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) If i got it right there is Windows 7 Starter, Windows 7 Home Basic, Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate.Really big difference :rolleyes: People who need multi language support they will go with Windows 7 Ultimate, they have to. Home edition is useless for most people because of the lack of some essential feature Windows 7 Professional has. When MS comes up with idea of having one edition for Windows 7 or Windows 8 in the future i will say good job otherwise this is just bull****. Please enlighten us on these so called missing features that Home premium lacks that makes it useless for most people? It has complete PC backup now, so that can't be it can it? The fact is HP is more than enough for most people. Few home users need network backups, Encrypting File System, Remote Desktop Host, offline files, join a domain, location-aware printing or Group Policies. The only feature a home user may in some cases need is XP Mode in limited circumstances. XP mode will not make unsupported hardware magically work since it is in virtualization. Your CPU needs to support Virtulization to even use XP mode and many consumer CPU's do not support it at all, including many Core 2 Duos/Quads. Winsupersite Windows 7 SKU Comparison. Edited May 21, 2009 by soonerproud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbuck Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 @soonerproud: A forum poster who actually knows what he's talking about? Are you trying to wreck this thread? ;) Agreed, Win7 Pro likely will have a higher OEM cost, and that was the basis of Dell dude's complaint. Just because the OEM is higher, though, doesn't mean that retail versions will follow suit. My own fearless prediction, OEM prices will be higher (though not staggeringly so), full-version retail will be close to Vista's current pricing, and retail upgrades will be considerably cheaper. I have a year-old Dell XPS 1530 laptop, which was shipped with Vista Ultimate. I'm looking forward to seeing Dell's upgrade offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 @soonerproud: A forum poster who actually knows what he's talking about? Are you trying to wreck this thread? ;) Agreed, Win7 Pro likely will have a higher OEM cost, and that was the basis of Dell dude's complaint. Just because the OEM is higher, though, doesn't mean that retail versions will follow suit. My own fearless prediction, OEM prices will be higher (though not staggeringly so), full-version retail will be close to Vista's current pricing, and retail upgrades will be considerably cheaper. I have a year-old Dell XPS 1530 laptop, which was shipped with Vista Ultimate. I'm looking forward to seeing Dell's upgrade offer. I try to read up on this stuff because of all the hysteria that seems to spread over lack of infomation. I found by looking at these things from an informed perspective, it keeps my emotions in check when some of these articles and claims surface and I don't go over the deep end. I believe from what I have read that your perspective is spot on. I suspect the OEM version of Professional will be in line with what Vista Ultimate is currently selling for at OEM and that Ultimate will be around the price it was when Vista Ultimate was first released. My guess on pricing (and this is only a guess) will be as follows for OEM: 1. Home Premium - $100-$120 2. Professional - $159-$179 3. Ultimate - $199 4. Starter - $50-$75 Home Basic is only going to be offered in developing nations like Brazil or Russia and will not be available in the Western Nations. Starter may only be available on a new low end PC and will not be boxed for retail sale. Microsoft has clearly stated that they are only going to market Home premium and Professional to the consumer so those are the only SKU's that most buyers will ever come in contact with. Ultimate will be very limited in availability, though Microsoft has not said how limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterk Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10242555-64.html :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted May 22, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted May 22, 2009 And we didn't already know this from the previous news article posted last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman-ugh Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I do not understand how you can get the heading "Windows 7 Price Higher says Dell" from the previous article where Dell said that a higher price for Windows 7 would be a barrier ??? The current heading is saying that Dell says the IS higher, whereas the previous article is saying IF microsoft charged more that price MIGHT be a barrier. In other words the two are completely different and this one is nothing more than a beatup ! Sorry but it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 This has already been debunked in another thread as not being entirely accurate because the SKU's being compared are not the same. Home users that choose Home Premium will probably see little to no increase in price compared to Vista HP. This makes up the largest portion of Windows buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterk Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I do not understand how you can get the heading "Windows 7 Price Higher says Dell" from the previous article where Dell said that a higher price for Windows 7 would be a barrier ???The current heading is saying that Dell says the IS higher, whereas the previous article is saying IF microsoft charged more that price MIGHT be a barrier. In other words the two are completely different and this one is nothing more than a beatup ! Sorry but it is. Well the article did say that it would be higher than Vista or XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Well the article did say that it would be higher than Vista or XP. The article is leaving out that Dell was talking about the difference in price between Vista Business and W7 Professional. They are completely different SKU's because Microsoft has changed course and made the next version up of Win 7 a subset of the lower cost version. Business is not a subset of Home Premium because it lacks the multimedia features of HP. W7 Professional is a subset of both HP and Business (Business is being discontinued) meaning it has more features and therefore cost more. Since over 90% of Windows customers will buy Home Premium, they will see little to no price increase. Only small businesses and enthusiast will see a price increase, since Professional is aimed squarely at them. Professional has tons more features than Vista Business so it naturally will cost more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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