Deihmos Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 My brother who lives in the Caribbean recently played an Xbox 360 and was so impressed that he bought one from Amazon the following day. He also bought Gears of War 2. Well he finally received it and took the day off from work to play. The system Red Ring of Death the same day! I thought that was strange because the new xbox is suppose to run cooler but it turns out that he received the motherboard with the 90nm chips. The manufacture date is October 2008 but at the back of the xbox it reads 16,5a which means it's the motherboard before the falcoln. Since he lives in the Caribbean he has to spend money to ship it back to the USA then pay to get the replacement shipped back to him. It costs a lot of money. How could Microsoft make such a faulty product is beyond me. Why would they still be selling these RROD systems and how could it have a manufacture date of Oct 2008? If you are planning to buy an Xbox 360 and prefer to get the new model it is better to get it in a store because Microsoft is sneaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zog Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Its not Microsofts fault that Amazon sold him old stock.. They didn't remove the pre-falcon stock from stores. Some big-box retail stores still have Zephyr's floating around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted May 22, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 22, 2009 It's unfortunate but they can't get rid of the old stock. And it isn't Microsoft's fault that Amazon still carried old stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deihmos Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) The system has a manufacture date of October 16 2008! This system could not have been made in Oct 2008 . It was produced a long time ago but probably never made it to retail because it had an error. They 'fixed' it and released it with the lot of Jasper motherboards. It has a lot number for Zasper. I found some info here http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=2 In my Jasper hunting I came across a strange beast, I found an Xbox 360 Pro with lot number 0843X. I figured it was new enough that it could be a Jasper, but looking at the 12V current rating I found that it was a 16.5A unit. I thought perhaps it was mislabeled and I'd heard about some newer systems having a 16.5A 12V rating, so I thought I'd buy it and take a closer look. Once I got it home I confirmed: the machine was a Zephyr, that's the original Xbox 360 hardware with HDMI support, meaning a 90nm CPU, 90nm GPU and 90nm eDRAM - the very configuration most likely to Red Ring. I'm guessing it's a reworked Xbox 360 that never made it out of the factory in the first place due to an instant failure; something Microsoft fixed and sent out at a much later date. Even if you don't care about getting a Jasper, it may be worth looking into what it is you are getting to make sure that you're not stuck with a box that's more likely to fail. Edited May 22, 2009 by Deihmos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 OK, I'll bite... you want to blame it on Microsoft, but why would they still be manufacturing Zephyrs if it costs more money (due to the larger fab)? It's old stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Can he not just return it to amazon - Isn't it the retailers responsibility to provide the customer with a replacement free of charge? It's how it works here anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted May 22, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2009 Since it happened so fast it should fall upon Amazon to fix it and or give him a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deihmos Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 OK, I'll bite... you want to blame it on Microsoft, but why would they still be manufacturing Zephyrs if it costs more money (due to the larger fab)? It's old stock. Did you miss the part where I said Manufacture date on the console says October 2008? It is an old stock made a few years ago and they put a new label on it. The manufacture date cannot be be October 2008. Could even be a refurbished console being sold as new. Yes he can return it to amazon and that's what he has to do. Like I said he does nto live in the USA. it will end up costing over 100USD in shipping costs when everything is complete. Whoever did the R&D for the Xbox didn't know what they were doing. I am sure every single console made in 2005-2007 will fail eventually if they are played regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zog Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Take a look here.. http://www.360drives.com/list?v_board=2&v_perpage=50 .. Zephyr's are seen with manu dates as high as 2008-12-11... Not being sneaky.. Just old parts still being used up in core and premium packs.. Besides.. Falcons can get RROD also.. Already had to sent one back.. They are still subjective to errors.. And the Zephyrs's aren't launch consoles.. Xenon's are.. For a Zephyr to die the first day of play is just bad luck.. But even Falcon and Jaspers have had issues.. Did you miss the part where I said Manufacture date on the console says October 2008? It is an old stock made a few years ago and they put a new label on it. The manufacture date cannot be be October 2008. Could even be a refurbished console being sold as new. Yes he can return it to amazon and that's what he has to do. Like I said he does nto live in the USA. it will end up costing over 100USD in shipping costs when everything is complete. Whoever did the R&D for the Xbox didn't know what they were doing. I am sure every single console made in 2005-2007 will fail eventually if they are played regularly. And its not from a few years ago.. They are still made with these mobo's. My machine is from 2006 and works fine.. My Falcom from 2 months ago had to get fixed.. :p They do fail, and if its on the same day, bad luck.. but it does happen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Did you miss the part where I said Manufacture date on the console says October 2008? It is an old stock made a few years ago and they put a new label on it. The manufacture date cannot be be October 2008. Could even be a refurbished console being sold as new. Yes he can return it to amazon and that's what he has to do. Like I said he does nto live in the USA. it will end up costing over 100USD in shipping costs when everything is complete. Whoever did the R&D for the Xbox didn't know what they were doing. I am sure every single console made in 2005-2007 will fail eventually if they are played regularly. It's illegal to change the manufacture date, so I highly doubt that's what occurred. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's also illegal to sell something refurbished as new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEX4S Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 It's illegal to change the manufacture date, so I highly doubt that's what occurred. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's also illegal to sell something refurbished as new. very illegal - its fraud, unlawful misrepresentation, whatever ya want to call it --- Now, even though lawyers wont get involved in this and it will never go anywhere past amazon sending him a new one... In some situtations you have to prove willful intent - meaning you have to prove they knowingly misled customers by selling used/refurbed as new - but like I said - this will never get that far. (however I do love it when boneheads say, I'll sue !) or someone tells them "youve got a good case", if people knew how things really work in the world, they too would find those statements laughable) I know the OP didnt say this and I am not referring to him in any way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted May 24, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2009 It's not like they willingly knew they were shipping a faulty product.. their prototype / test model probably worked flawlessly or had a few minor bugs they THOUGHT they had fixed.. turns out the manufacture forgot to remove some plastic on some of the electronics.. and ended up making this the worst case scenario for Microsoft.. No one purposely makes a bad product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted May 24, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2009 And at least MS takes a hit and pays for it for free. My Sept 2006 model is still kicking as well, though I don't play as much as I did at first. Waiting for a few new games and some other ones to drop in price. Damn being in the EU sucks for gaming. *sigh*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDEAN Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 How do you find the MFG date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 How do you find the MFG date? It's quite difficult...let's begin.... 1. Turn Xbox 360 around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDEAN Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Always love a smart ass. Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_0002 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Since it happened so fast it should fall upon Amazon to fix it and or give him a new one. Na it doesn't. I mean sometimes you can get the 30day in store credit thing, but from my own expirence, retailers would rather the customer deal with MS rather then themselves. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 ^ With a 360 yes. Since they failed so much all retailers are told to tell them to talk to microsoft. But some retailers use there own discretion. Since we(a gamestore I work at) receive updates of 360s every week, we dont mind giving them a replacement, they will be happy that they left with a replacement and like us, and we are gonna get an update shipment of it the next week, so we arent worried about sending it back. Plus systems that are sent back by retailers have higher pirority of being fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted June 6, 2009 MVC Share Posted June 6, 2009 The system has a manufacture date of October 16 2008! This system could not have been made in Oct 2008 . It was produced a long time ago but probably never made it to retail because it had an error. They 'fixed' it and released it with the lot of Jasper motherboards. It has a lot number for Zasper. I found some info herehttp://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=2 In my Jasper hunting I came across a strange beast, I found an Xbox 360 Pro with lot number 0843X. I figured it was new enough that it could be a Jasper, but looking at the 12V current rating I found that it was a 16.5A unit. I thought perhaps it was mislabeled and I'd heard about some newer systems having a 16.5A 12V rating, so I thought I'd buy it and take a closer look. Once I got it home I confirmed: the machine was a Zephyr, that's the original Xbox 360 hardware with HDMI support, meaning a 90nm CPU, 90nm GPU and 90nm eDRAM - the very configuration most likely to Red Ring. I'm guessing it's a reworked Xbox 360 that never made it out of the factory in the first place due to an instant failure; something Microsoft fixed and sent out at a much later date. Even if you don't care about getting a Jasper, it may be worth looking into what it is you are getting to make sure that you're not stuck with a box that's more likely to fail. And who is to say Amazon didn't just rebox a return and ship it out as new? I've seen that practice commonly done in the US at retail shops so it wouldn't surprise me if that occured. I doubt MS has the time to call in old stock from retailers and alter the manufacture dates or the alter them on a bunch of old stock they have yet to ship... It just isn't that important to MS I'm sure and would cost them too much to do. I'm sure even for retailers it is rare that they get people buying the console based on manufacture dates, times, serial number ranges, and other bizzare numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 My brother who lives in the Caribbean recently played an Xbox 360 and was so impressed that he bought one from Amazon the following day. He also bought Gears of War 2. Well he finally received it and took the day off from work to play. The system Red Ring of Death the same day!I thought that was strange because the new xbox is suppose to run cooler but it turns out that he received the motherboard with the 90nm chips. The manufacture date is October 2008 but at the back of the xbox it reads 16,5a which means it's the motherboard before the falcoln. Since he lives in the Caribbean he has to spend money to ship it back to the USA then pay to get the replacement shipped back to him. It costs a lot of money. How could Microsoft make such a faulty product is beyond me. Why would they still be selling these RROD systems and how could it have a manufacture date of Oct 2008? If you are planning to buy an Xbox 360 and prefer to get the new model it is better to get it in a store because Microsoft is sneaky. Tell your brother to contact amazon, he can tell them it's faulty, they send via email a returns slip to print out and he asks for a refund, which they will give. It will cost him nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted June 6, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted June 6, 2009 Anyone remember the name of the next 360 hardware update? This one should put the cpu and gpu together on the same die thus cutting down things even more. Nothing new has been heard about that for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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