mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) I've made hundreds of fresh and upgrade installs in my computers since the days of windows 98, ME, and so on, so I'm what you may call a very experienced user, by no means technically instructed or anything, but very problem solving oriented. Recently as many, many other windows lovers i've installed Windows 7, most everybody chant the great experience they had upgrading, so obviously i could not wait... Had some mayor compatibility problems wich for me made it impossible to keep and had to return to windows vista. Many people report to this and other sites the greatness of installing windows 7 and it's compatibility almost perfection, and for me that was not so. Just recently someone on the main page describes installing it on 16 computers with no problems... that was the drop that topped the glass for me... I don't know what software if any he has or uses on his computers or for that matter anybody else but for me the windows 7 experience sucked. And it might also suck for others so i want them to know there are some problems before they have to reinstall their previous OS from scratch. Although most testers know and accept risks by playing with beta or rc software, exagerated praises could mislead a few on doing something they actually may not do otherwise. My story is simple... video is my thing. First of all there is a problem creating .mkv thumbnails, it's not a install new codecs problem it's a windows 7 issue. Second, pinnacle TvCenter Pro wont work under windows 7, yes i know there is media center but microsoft forces users to buy a remote for s-video signal to work under media center, and i'm not going to buy one cause i don't need one to control anything, so i'm forced to use independent software for video capture, since the one i use wont work on windows 7, right there i was forced to go back to vista. No compatibility settings worked for me on this previous one (before you ask if i used any, yes i tried every combination possible). If that was not enough my second option for capture, roxio capture from roxio media creator 2009 also does not work under windows 7... furthermore roxio media creator 2009 has about a million issues under windows 7... That was it for me... and i went back to vista, as i've told before. Maybe roxio will come up with an update for windows 7 or a new suite in the near future... I don't think pinnacle will since they are going away from tv capture... And since microsoft has not released an update to bypass the remote issue and probably wont release any bypass, media center is not an option for me. Keeping in mind roxio and pinnacle are both mainstream software used by many, many, people, someone should paste a warning for them not to upgrade/fresh install windows 7 for now. Vista took some time to get ready, so did xp, maybe 7 will take less time... but it's certainly nowhere ready on the compatibility front. No matter what other people say. At least that was what happened to me. (sorry for any mistakes english is not my first language) Greetings from Mexico, hot spot for swine flu partying!! :blink: Edited May 26, 2009 by mizur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Windows 7 works fine for me. All of my hardware has been working just fine with the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Windows 7 works fine for me. All of my hardware has been working just fine with the OS. Very useful comment, now i understand how you get 6000+ posts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 First of all there is a problem creating .mkv thumbnails, it's not a install new codecs problem it's a windows 7 issue. Most of the other issues you mentioned where related to third party software, not Windows itself. The above issue could possibly be repaired by regenerating all of your thumbs.db The way I would suggest doing that is by enabling the view of hidden, and protected OS files (through folder properties control panel applet), and then doing a global search (all drives) for thumbs.db Delete everything that shows in the search, and next time you go into a folder, it should re-generate the thumbnails. What you need to bear in mind however is that the codec setup in Windows 7 differs a bit to that from Vista, you will need to grab a codec pack that is compatible with 7 and its new integrated codecs, I would suggest the Windows 7 codec pack. As shown by the attached screenshot, Windows 7 can generate thumbnails of Matroska files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x3lumin8x Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 You switched back to Vista because of 2 programs? You fail at "Alternative Software". Roxio and Pinnacle are shitware. You should load up 7 again and try ImageBurn for burning and look for other video editing software. Google is your friend :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 hmm i was getting the impression that this was about the installation of windows 7.... oh well i hope you get your TV stuff sorted out, it should get better as time goes on and people get the compatibility issues sussed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cldmani Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Very useful comment, now i understand how you get 6000+ posts....If Windows 7 doesn't work for you, why don't you revert back to an earlier OS until Windows 7 comes out and application start supporting Win7 OOB without any tweaking and what not. Also, if was your choice to install a non-final version of an operating system, so you should be able to accept that some problems will arise with BETA/RC status applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhadamanth Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Quick (probably dumb) question....where are you guys getting your copy of Windows 7? I would like to try it out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Veteran Posted May 26, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 26, 2009 You switched back to Vista because of 2 programs? You fail at "Alternative Software". Roxio and Pinnacle are shitware. You should load up 7 again and try ImageBurn for burning and look for other video editing software. Google is your friend :) Lmao, "Shitware". Never heard of that before. Yes, I agree. Its seems strange the OP should revert because of two programs. Even so, patches will still probably come out for them. Quick (probably dumb) question....where are you guys getting your copy of Windows 7? I would like to try it out too. Microsoft Website. No, really: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/ Click "Want to test it?" on the right hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Shitware? surprised that isn't filtered :rofl: As for the RC, you can get it free from Microsoft here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcen...x?ITPID=mscomsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Lmao, "Shitware". Never heard of that before. Yes, I agree. Its seems strange the OP should revert because of two programs. Even so, patches will still probably come out for them.Microsoft Website. No, really: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/ Click "Want to test it?" on the right hand side. It's not just the two problem thing... Is that i need capture for my job, so it makes capture software a necesity, i had no option but to revert... I hope updates or new version will solve my problems in the near future, as i said on my post, this comment is just FOR NOW. And yes i will be the first in my country to buy 7 as i did vista, i just hope it doesn't stay on my shelf for a year as vista did cause nothing was compatible. Windows 7 Rc is not compatibility perfection, right now, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Nobody claimed it would be compatibility perfection, and with all due respect it is not recommended to install pre-release software you intend to use in a production environment anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Most of the other issues you mentioned where related to third party software, not Windows itself. The above issue could possibly be repaired by regenerating all of your thumbs.dbThe way I would suggest doing that is by enabling the view of hidden, and protected OS files (through folder properties control panel applet), and then doing a global search (all drives) for thumbs.db Delete everything that shows in the search, and next time you go into a folder, it should re-generate the thumbnails. What you need to bear in mind however is that the codec setup in Windows 7 differs a bit to that from Vista, you will need to grab a codec pack that is compatible with 7 and its new integrated codecs, I would suggest the Windows 7 codec pack. As shown by the attached screenshot, Windows 7 can generate thumbnails of Matroska files Did you use the workaround renaming .mkv files to .avi, and then back to .mkv or your thumbnails are originally generated? If so, which codec pack do you use? Nobody claimed it would be compatibility perfection, and with all due respect it is not recommended to install pre-release software you intend to use in a production environment anyway I know this kind of software (rc, beta) is not for primary use computers... we all know that... But my reasons for reverting don't make my argument any less real... And sorry to contradict but most everybody sings the compatibility praises of windows 7, that is why i want to warn any other pinnacle or roxio users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob21 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) Roxio Creator 2009 is bloody awesome IMO Edited May 26, 2009 by bob21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 but its not really a fault on windoes 7. i think once roxio release win 7 ready software you will not have those problems anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Did you use the workaround renaming .mkv files to .avi, and then back to .mkv or your thumbnails are originally generated?If so, which codec pack do you use? No workaround, those thumbnails are originally generated. I use the Windows 7 codec pack. Google 'Windows 7 codec pack' it is the first link you will see. I know this kind of software (rc, beta) is not for primary use computers... we all know that...But my reasons for reverting don't make my argument any less real... And sorry to contradict but most everybody sings the compatibility praises of windows 7, that is why i want to warn any other pinnacle or roxio users. I never debated that your reasons for reverting where any less real, but the point is that regardless of what other people say, you cannot install a new version of Windows and just expect everything to work, because it just won't. Windows 7 is pretty good in compatibility terms compared to how Vista was at Beta, but inevitable there are some things that won't work. For the record, my Kodak camera doesn't work with 7 yet, you will just have to wait till the third party software you are using is updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalDisturb. Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I don't think you have any reason to complain as it's probably the RC-release you're running, which hasn't reached the shelves yet. If that reason isn't enough, then you might consider the fact that 2 out of 3 problems you specified were caused by 3rd party software. Maybe you could write a post complaining that Roxio and Pinnacle don't support a beta OS. <sarcasm>Hell, they should, right?</sarcasm> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob21 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) Roxio Creator 2009 is bloody awesome IMO , Anyway to get this awesome piece of closed source goodness to load up in windows 7 simply copy milcore.dll into system32 (its part of the .net pack) As for .mkv im not surprised simply mux the contents into a container that wasn't developed by inbred chimps with MKV2Vob . It only takes a few seconds and will liberate your computers form the Crap Crap Crap Pack... Enjoy Edited May 26, 2009 by bob21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchartz Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Wait, so you are blaming your poor experience on MS when all the problems you had were with other companies software? It's pretty difficult to make something like an OS 100% backwards compatible it's expected that software isn't compatible and if you aren't willing to upgrade your software if needed, that is your fault not Win 7's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_Guy Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 First, it is "Windows" not "Wiondows". I've made hundreds of fresh and upgrade installs in my computers since the days of windows 98, ME, and so on, so I'm what you may call a very experienced user, by no means technically instructed or anything, but very problem solving oriented. Re-installing an operating system over and over again does not mean you have great problem solving skills. for me the windows 7 experience sucked...exagerated praises could mislead a few on doing something they actually may not do otherwise. I'm sorry to hear that. However, the majority of people have had a great experience so Windows 7 isn't misleading anyone. You are in the minorty here. microsoft forces users to buy a remote It's really time for people to stop claiming that Microsoft forces them to do anything. It is just beyond ignorant. i'm forced choose to use independent software for video capture, since the one i use wont work on windows 7 Possibly because Windows 7 is not yet final. Blame the third-party vendor for not keeping up, not Microsoft. If that was not enough my second option for capture, roxio capture from roxio media creator 2009 also does not work under windows 7... furthermore roxio media creator 2009 has about a million issues under windows 7... Perhaps you should ask Roxio if they have any plans to keep up with Microsoft or if they are just going to sit around on their hands? Keeping in mind roxio and pinnacle are both mainstream software used by many, many, people No, Roxio is not very popular and for good reason. but (Windows 7 is) certainly nowhere ready on the compatibility front. Yes, yes it is. For a vast majority of users, anyway. No matter what other people say. Yes, even despite what other people say! (sorry for any mistakes english is not my first language) Actually, you write pretty well in English. Sorry that your experience wasn't as good as others have reported but give it another try when there are proper updates from the software vendors you are trying to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Actually this is a response for many comments on this thread... I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE!!! Nor microsoft nor roxio not even pinnacle.... Windows 7 is a pre release. Roxio and pinnacle designed their software for vista not for 7. So actually there is no one to blame. But the fact remains, combinig windows 7 with roxio or pinnacle gives you a compatibility issue. Who should solve it.... BOTH PARTS!!! Windows wants to sell a new OS claiming it's compatible even with your old Osterizer blender (exageration), then it should really make it compatible with mainstream software. Roxio and pinnacle should update or release new soft as soon as possible to make it compatible with all OS systems. So again both parties should work on it. The only thing Windows has to blame is the nonsense of forcing media center to be used with a remote, we've already paid for the extra functions in Ultimate, why should we pay even more for a remote we don't need, microsoft should release a workaround, but since this "bug" has been around from the birth of media center (a bunch of years ago) i'm pretty sure the media center team knows about it, and they don't care to do anything about it, for now the workaround is to go buy the remote we don't need. Go figure a company trying to make more money by selling useless stuff. So again i'm no trying to point fingers no place any blame... I'm just saying windows 7 for now is uncompatible with roxio 2009 even sp4, and pinnacle TvCenter Pro, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justlooking Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 roxio capture from roxio media creator 2009 also does not work under windows 7... furthermore roxio media creator 2009 has about a million issues under windows 7...That was it for me... and i went back to vista, as i've told before. Maybe roxio will come up with an update for windows 7 or a new suite in the near future... Isn't Roxio the program that wasn't compatible with XP for about 2 years? If I'm remembering that right, then anyone who even bothers with it has rox in his head! http://www.devhood.com/messages/message_vi...thread_id=20141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Isn't Roxio the program that wasn't compatible with XP for about 2 years? If I'm remembering that right, then anyone who even bothers with it has rox in his head!http://www.devhood.com/messages/message_vi...thread_id=20141 I've been using roxio since Xp with no problem whatsoever. In fact when I upgraded to vista even before it's official release, roxio had already released a version tested and ready for vista. So i don't know what you have on your head, but taking from your words you don't actually use roxio... you are just posting for the fun of hearsay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Windows wants to sell a new OS claiming it's compatible even with your old Osterizer blender (exageration), then it should really make it compatible with mainstream software. It's not Microsoft's fault that Roxio and other companies can't get their acts together and update their software. I remember when Vista was released, it took nVidia nearly a year to release updated video drivers. Microsoft makes their product, and third-party developers make theirs. Microsoft's products work fine, and it's not their responsibility to police everyone else, making sure their drivers and software are up to date. If you're going to blame anyone, blame the third party developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fix-this! Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 windows 7 is NOT final yet, lots of programs won't work properly. don 't blame a non-finished operating system for your own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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