keysteele Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I don't understand how Roxio Creator 2009 is incompatible with Windows 7 I've been using it for about a month now with no problems. Plus I agree with what of other are saying Win 7 is a pre release, it tells you that when you first install it, so just let it go and wait for the RTM or retail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moloko Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Its a beta. Not everything will work yet. Video on mine is choppy using media center but clear when using VLC. Its all drivers. As for the install. I LOVE it. Besides video movies I can do everything faster on this computer now instead of using Vista. I will not be going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akaruz Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 well about mkv thumbnails , i only needed to d/l the correct codec and its components ( since i'm using Win 7 64bits ) ( google for shark codecs ( should be the 1st one ) or https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?act=...;f=12&id=11 codecs ) if you also use 64bits i advise you to d/l the codec and the x64 components from the same site About the pinnacle , you cant capture using windows media center ? or you want to use your s-video input and capture ? ( you blame microsoft windows because pinnacle still didnt updated their drivers and program for win 7 ? about the remote well all i say its strange for it not working I have a gigabyte p8000gt ( had a pixelview proview ,but due to vista 64 not having drivers for it i bought the gigabyte one ) , and it works wonderfull on the WMC ( yes my pvr that came with the card also doesnt work on win7 - beside its a piece of crap - since i couldnt search for the entire range of my channel broadcast ) , it did came with a remote that does work with WMC ( drivers are vista compatible But back into topic , you need to see that the majority doesnt have a TV turner neither uses mkv files ( except the anime fans and well certain people who love their movies in mkv :p ) , the average joe doesnt that i can tell you ps - you can work with WMC without a remote :p edit : The reason for my sticking to win 7 when it gets out and not going back to vista = Windows Media Center ( makes me avoid having a dual boot with vista/xp ( for when i want to watch tv or do capture ) since my vista didnt had wmc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) It's not Microsoft's fault that Roxio and other companies can't get their acts together and update their software. I remember when Vista was released, it took nVidia nearly a year to release updated video drivers.Microsoft makes their product, and third-party developers make theirs. Microsoft's products work fine, and it's not their responsibility to police everyone else, making sure their drivers and software are up to date. If you're going to blame anyone, blame the third party developers. Once again for all of you with a learning disability, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE!!!! But just to clarify if i sell you a t-shirt claiming it wont shrink, and eventually it does it's the rain's fault? Microsoft claims windows 7 it's compatible with all vista software... it's not. No one needs to defend windows, windows is great, i know it, i use it, but windows 7 rc is not compatible with roxio and pinnacle no matter what you say. Edited May 26, 2009 by mizur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 When the heck did Microsoft 'force' anyone to use Media Center with a remote? Considering the fact that a lot of Vista PCs/Laptops with Media Center don't come with TV Tuner cards. The OP really needs to check up with his information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Once again for all of you with a learning disability, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE!!!!But just to clrify if i sell you a t-shirt climing it wont shrink, and eventually it does it's the rain's fault? Microsoft claims windows 7 it's compatible with all vista software... it's not. No one needs to defend windows, windows is great, i know it, i use it, but windows 7 rc is not compatible with roxio and pinnacle no matter what you say. RC =/= finished product It's more than possible that Roxio will have updated drivers available by the RTM release. Anyone expecting a beta/RC release to work 100% with all their software is in for a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 well about mkv thumbnails , i only needed to d/l the correct codec and its components ( since i'm using Win 7 64bits ) ( google for shark codecs ( should be the 1st one ) or https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?act=...;f=12&id=11 codecs )if you also use 64bits i advise you to d/l the codec and the x64 components from the same site About the pinnacle , you cant capture using windows media center ? or you want to use your s-video input and capture ? ( you blame microsoft windows because pinnacle still didnt updated their drivers and program for win 7 ? about the remote well all i say its strange for it not working I have a gigabyte p8000gt ( had a pixelview proview ,but due to vista 64 not having drivers for it i bought the gigabyte one ) , and it works wonderfull on the WMC ( yes my pvr that came with the card also doesnt work on win7 - beside its a piece of crap - since i couldnt search for the entire range of my channel broadcast ) , it did came with a remote that does work with WMC ( drivers are vista compatible But back into topic , you need to see that the majority doesnt have a TV turner neither uses mkv files ( except the anime fans and well certain people who love their movies in mkv :p ) , the average joe doesnt that i can tell you ps - you can work with WMC without a remote :p edit : The reason for my sticking to win 7 when it gets out and not going back to vista = Windows Media Center ( makes me avoid having a dual boot with vista/xp ( for when i want to watch tv or do capture ) since my vista didnt had wmc I need to capture from my s-video source without having a remote control, that is impossible since you need a remote to be located by the setup wizard for it to finish properly. The .mkv thumbnail issue was the least of my problems the real issues were the capture problems, but thanks for the codec and setup suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob21 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 No one needs to defend windows, windows is great, i know it, i use it, but windows 7 rc is not compatible with roxio and pinnacle no matter what you say. Can you read Roxio Creator 2009 is bloody awesome IMO , Anyway to get this awesome piece of closed source goodness to load up in windows 7 simply copy milcore.dll into system32 (its part of the .net pack) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 When the heck did Microsoft 'force' anyone to use Media Center with a remote? Considering the fact that a lot of Vista PCs/Laptops with Media Center don't come with TV Tuner cards. The OP really needs to check up with his information. If you try to setup s-video capture the wizard eventually comes to a stage requiring a remote there is no option to skip nor answer a false "yes" cause the system actually looks for a receiver connected to the computer if the wizard fails to locate the remote it automatically stops and won't finish. Perhaps you should try it before posting an opinion so uninformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KibosJ Subscriber² Posted May 26, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted May 26, 2009 Once again for all of you with a learning disability, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE!!!!But just to clrify if i sell you a t-shirt climing it wont shrink, and eventually it does it's the rain's fault? Microsoft claims windows 7 it's compatible with all vista software... it's not. No one needs to defend windows, windows is great, i know it, i use it, but windows 7 rc is not compatible with roxio and pinnacle no matter what you say. We understand you aren't blaming anyone :p The point is though Microsoft don't say it's compatible with 'ALL' Vista software, they say 'MOST' and they are correct, most software works. The new compatibility troubleshooter is great too. I don't set compatibility options for anything any more, I let the troubleshooter do it. It's much better. Pinnacle? They suck. I'm not dissing anyone but I hate their products and software, the software is absolute rubbish, always has been. Where I work, we used to get a pinnacle representative around all the time, he never comes any more and their support is slowly declining too. Roxio? Their products are okay, but there are much better alternatives. I don't like Roxio products either :p I don't like nero products the same. Nero products still have problems in Vista, as does Roxio. It's the 3rd party that is the problem not Microsoft. Look at the Software compatibility tool that shows what 'MICROSOFT' has added to make older software work without the need for 'fixes' the list is endless, Microsoft don't have to do this, but they do :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Can you read Yes i can.. i just choosed not to reply it cause your workaround is posted on lots of sites and it does not solve all the issues... but this is not the topic to go into every roxio/7 bug, just to warn new upgraders. Great it works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfc_uk Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 When did MS say Windows 7 is compatible with all Vista-compatible software?? Link?? I've installed Roxio Creator 10 (I got it free with my Dell Laptop, I would never pay for it!) on Windows 7 and it works perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakeshishere Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 When did MS say Windows 7 is compatible with all Vista-compatible software?? Link??I've installed Roxio Creator 10 (I got it free with my Dell Laptop, I would never pay for it!) on Windows 7 and it works perfectly. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/0...ernational.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/0...-windows-7.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KibosJ Subscriber² Posted May 26, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted May 26, 2009 http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/0...ernational.aspxhttp://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/0...-windows-7.aspx Our main Application Compatibility goal for Windows 7 is to make sure that most all applications which work on Windows Vista will continue to work seamlessly on Windows 7. It's a 'Goal' not something that is actually true yet :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfc_uk Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Beat me to it. Was just about to post the same thing. No where have they said that ALL Vista-compatible software will run on Windows 7, so the OP was lying! Edit: Hey James, just noticed your from Darlington, just down the road from me! Small world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 If you try to setup s-video capture the wizard eventually comes to a stage requiring a remote there is no option to skip nor answer a false "yes" cause the system actually looks for a receiver connected to the computer if the wizard fails to locate the remote it automatically stops and won't finish.Perhaps you should try it before posting an opinion so uninformed. Uninformed? You're the one claiming that Microsoft forces users to get a remote to use Windows Media Center. Maybe you should read what you type, before posting. What you said about setting up s-video has nothing to do with Microsoft forcing Media Center users to get a remote. Compare the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Actually this is a response for many comments on this thread...I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE!!! Nor microsoft nor roxio not even pinnacle.... Windows 7 is a pre release. Roxio and pinnacle designed their software for vista not for 7. So actually there is no one to blame. But the fact remains, combinig windows 7 with roxio or pinnacle gives you a compatibility issue. Who should solve it.... BOTH PARTS!!! Windows wants to sell a new OS claiming it's compatible even with your old Osterizer blender (exageration), then it should really make it compatible with mainstream software. Roxio and pinnacle should update or release new soft as soon as possible to make it compatible with all OS systems. So again both parties should work on it. The only thing Windows has to blame is the nonsense of forcing media center to be used with a remote, we've already paid for the extra functions in Ultimate, why should we pay even more for a remote we don't need, microsoft should release a workaround, but since this "bug" has been around from the birth of media center (a bunch of years ago) i'm pretty sure the media center team knows about it, and they don't care to do anything about it, for now the workaround is to go buy the remote we don't need. Go figure a company trying to make more money by selling useless stuff. So again i'm no trying to point fingers no place any blame... I'm just saying windows 7 for now is uncompatible with roxio 2009 even sp4, and pinnacle TvCenter Pro, that's it. Firstly, it is not Microsoft's requirement to help other 3rd party software makers update their software, and secondly you can quiet easily use Media Center without a remote. If you try to setup s-video capture the wizard eventually comes to a stage requiring a remote there is no option to skip nor answer a false "yes" cause the system actually looks for a receiver connected to the computer if the wizard fails to locate the remote it automatically stops and won't finish.Perhaps you should try it before posting an opinion so uninformed. There is a very good reason for that, and that is because the remote provides access to all of the advanced controls for recording with the application. No offence, but if you want to capture and record video, you cannot expect to do it on the cheap. Also, media center remotes are very cheap, I think I got my remote and IR receiver for about ?9, 2 years ago, and it improves the experience of using Media Center quiet considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted May 26, 2009 Member Share Posted May 26, 2009 You would think the guy just slapped your mother the way some of you are acting over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) This post was moved to next page... Edited May 26, 2009 by mizur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 You would think the guy just slapped your mother the way some of you are acting over this. By now i actually would like to slap some of them silly... maybe they will get my point with a little stir... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike415 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Maybe it wouldve been a nice time to try the virtualXP for the programs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizur Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Firstly, it is not Microsoft's requirement to help other 3rd party software makers update their software, and secondly you can quiet easily use Media Center without a remote.There is a very good reason for that, and that is because the remote provides access to all of the advanced controls for recording with the application. No offence, but if you want to capture and record video, you cannot expect to do it on the cheap. Also, media center remotes are very cheap, I think I got my remote and IR receiver for about ?9, 2 years ago, and it improves the experience of using Media Center quiet considerably. It's not beacuase it's cheap or not, first of all there are not many remote options available in my country, believe me, few days after byuying my capture card compatible with vista, and trying to setup media center with no succes i gave up and tried to buy one, did not find it. Then i installed TvCenter Pro and did not care anymore for media center... When i upgraded to 7 and the issues with pinnacle arise i tried again with the new and suposedly improved media center and came to the same problem... it needed a remote. As i've said it's not just the price.... or the availability cause it can be bought and delivered from the US, my main issue is I DONT NEED IT, i dont want nor have to control anything with it, so i will be just buying a device for a wizard to recognize it and then store it away in it's box again. It makes no sense. Maybe it wouldve been a nice time to try the virtualXP for the programs This is actually a very good suggestion, to be honest did not try virtual xp, only tried the normal compatibility options. However, not to nit pick but since those are my primary programs it wouyld be quite a hassle to go back and forth from virtual xp, right now everything works fine on vista. By the way today i've installed vista sp2... no aparent change... although they say under the hood it's just magic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwpenner Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Actually, the XPM in Windows 7 loads programs installed in XP automatically in VirtualXP, so you don't need to load VirtualXP, then find the program on the virtual machine and run it. It appears in your Windows 7 start menu, and it will load XP by itself when it goes to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbuck Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hi Mizur, Much of what I'd say has already been covered, but I'll make a few points: First, given that you make your living with your computer, I don't blame you for reverting back to Vista when you encountered compatibility problems. I've installed Win7 on three different machines, but none of them affect my paycheck. Given your situation, I probably would have done the same thing. Second, Pinnacle has a horrendous record of lagging behind when it comes to driver support. If you need their hardware to work, I wouldn't even consider upgrading to a new version of Windows until they can provide drivers. Third, if you do consider trying again, VirtualPC might work better than you think. When you install apps in the virtual XP environment, you can launch them directly from Win7. In fact, Win7 can even associate files with apps from the XP Mode. The catch there, though, is you need to make sure your system will support the new version of VirtualPC and XP Mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Sorry, but why the hell should Microsoft work around developers? If one thing Microsoft are good at, it's making software. They create awesome tools for developers, tools that developers can use to create better, faster and more feature orientated software. Why should Microsoft just stop developing/improving it's operating system? There is a reason why software breaks, that's because newer and better tools are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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