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The search bar is useless to me, having fast access to it doesn't make anything better

Same here. Just yesterday, I was searching for a file that I knew (and confirmed by navigating there manually) was present in a hidden folder.

Guess what--the search bar doesn't find it. My machine is set to show all hidden files/folders (not that a folder's attributes should matter in a *search*)...

That, and the Windows Desktop Search add-on for XP--this sort of thing makes it completely useless to me, and it's a step back.

And don't get me started on searching in files...ugh...

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In windows explorer...task bar lacks info.

No it doesn't. It has all which is needed - the icon of the pinned or running program. The thumbnail of the running instances, along with a text label on the thumbnail so you can tell which is needed. The taskbar has Aero Peek, meaning you can see which window is which before clicking on it. Also included in the taskbar is the progress of copying files or downloading content (if the programmer has taken advantage if those APIs). It tells you when you have new emails in Windows Live Mail or Outlook 2010. It also tells you any other information a program wishes to tell you; for example, Windows Live Messenger tells you what you have set your current status at straight away in the taskbar.

If anything, there is more information there.

Some of this information, like Aero Peek, thumbnails and text labels are not available, by default, until you hover, but you don't need that information until you hover anyway.

I'm confused as to why you think it lacks information :s After reading what I have posted there, do you mind telling me please?

In windows explorer...left pane constantly closes(wtf is up with that)

Not for me it doesn't :s It's always there if I've kept it up. Are you sure your copy of Windows 7 isn't corrupted or something? Maybe this is the result of doing an upgrade rather than a clean install? (I'm just guessing at reasons as to how you have this problem)

Start menu...requires more clicks to get to the same place.

Examples please?

From my experience it requires no more clicks than Windows 95's start menu did and definitely no more clicks than Windows Vista's start menu did for everyone else.

You have always had to click 'Start' and then 'All programs' to get a list of your programs. What has changed since Windows Vista? I say it's no more clicks for me since Windows 95 because I have all of my programs organised into folders so it is easier to find things if I decide not to search; that way there is no scrollbar there. I just click 'Start' and then 'All programs' as I have done since Windows 95. Don't you?

I don't understand how you could possibly make it have more clicks to get to where you want to go? I suggest you provide examples before you make such extreme accusations about a product.

Usb...always gets the popup, regardless of how many times it's set.

If you're talking about that pop-up that occurs when you plug a USB stick in, that has happened the same since Windows XP. I actually heard Microsoft were working on this so it didn't come up as much in Windows 7. Maybe wait until RTM before you complain about things like this?

Control panel.....wtf..?? Items are listed in a different order each time it's opened...are these people out of their freakin' minds...???

Again, it does not do this. Are you sure your copy isn't corrupt or this is the result of an upgrade from the beta rather than a clean install? Microsoft haven't set it to do this as it doesn't do it to me, so, no, they are not out of their minds...

Syre...7 is snappy and all, but oh so many things are less simple than in XP....making 7 a freakin turkey, imho.

Examples please? I have proved you wrong in everything you posted in the first post of this thread. I'd like to see examples of things which are less simple than Windows XP please, rather than blanket accusations just because you don't understand some things.

I do applaud MS for listening to what people wanted in an os.....HOWEVER, they should have gone to normal folk, and not to the knobs, which has resulted in a step backward...despite their best efforts.

How is it a step backwards? Again, I have prooved you wrong with everything in your first post of the thread. Also, what do you mean by "they should have gone to normal folk, and not to the knobs"? :s

I'm very sorry to you or anyone if this post sounds even remotely rude, but I am sick of people not understanding things and making false/blanket accusations about a product just because they can't be bothered to really think about their accusations before they make them and see if they are actually right themselves. It's the same as people who don't see why companies change some things in their products and don't see the benefits in things, like the new Facebook, for example. I can understand not liking the new Facebook, but in this case nothing the author of this thread says is even true :s

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Same here. Just yesterday, I was searching for a file that I knew (and confirmed by navigating there manually) was present in a hidden folder.

Guess what--the search bar doesn't find it. My machine is set to show all hidden files/folders (not that a folder's attributes should matter in a *search*)...

That, and the Windows Desktop Search add-on for XP--this sort of thing makes it completely useless to me, and it's a step back.

And don't get me started on searching in files...ugh...

Try rebuilding the index and try it again.

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Windows Explorer in W7 is slightly, but noticeably, slower to navigate than XP on every machine I've installed it on. Opening folders with many subfolders takes longer to display. The end result is that sometimes Explorer doesn't respond to a double click if I'm navigating through folders quickly.

It probably has to do with all the folder icons that get drawn. Hopefully this stuff will all be GPU-accelerated in the future, but I suspect the slow step is extra hard drive access that has to occur to create the thumbnails.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with 7. Hated Vista. XP is solid (post SP2).

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Stupid people shouldn't use anything but RTM software. Nothing good will come of it otherwise, and forums will be filled with crap such as this.

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This is a classic example of how Microsoft will get slated for whatever they do, because there are a few people too set in their ways to tear themselves away from XP.

For me, Windows 7 is a really big step forwards, I love the way it has been designed. I agree with Warwagon's comment about the system restore mis-design, but as I don't use System Restore, that is a non-issue for me. Also, I don't see how the taskbar doesn't give enough info, it is fully customisable and can be put back to work the way it does in XP and Vista, and you get a preview on mouseover of a running application, and right click gives you quiet an extensive menu for applications that are jumplist API compatible.

As for the Control Panel, I set it up in menu mode so that I don't need to open the folder, but I don't see the icons changing position in small icon mode, it just lines them up alphabetically.

Thing is though, whatever Microsoft do it will displease someone, but for me the fact that Windows 7 has, on the whole received an exceptional reception since the first public release of the Beta, compared with the horrible one Vista got, tells me they have got it right this time round.

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some people just don't like change

Unfortunately that is the case, even when some change brings about so many benefits.

I have never understood those people who don't like change and I never will. I think it's ridiculous - everything changes when improvements can be made.

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No it doesn't. It has all which is needed - t

Er, no, genius, it does not. It does not even have as much info as it does in xp.

If anything, there is more information there.

Some of this information, like Aero Peek, thumbnails and text labels are not available, by default, until you hover, but you don't need that information until you hover anyway.

I'm confused as to why you think it lacks information :s After reading what I have posted there, do you mind telling me please?

Folder size. Specifically, it no longer displays folder size in the status bar, which was extremely useful for folks living in the real world. Especially helpful when adding files to a folder for burning....d'uh...

I'm very sorry to you or anyone if this post sounds even remotely rude, but I am sick of people not understanding things and making false/blanket accusations about a product just because they can't be bothered to really think about their accusations before they make them and see if they are actually right themselves. It's the same as people who don't see why companies change some things in their products and don't see the benefits in things, like the new Facebook, for example. I can understand not liking the new Facebook, but in this case nothing the author of this thread says is even true :s

What I'm tired of is the pimply faced fanboi's still living in mommy's basement who shoot their mouth off anytime anyone finds any faults with their beloved os. Get a girl, for crissakes....

Oh, and btw...every damn thing I said is true.

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Er, no, genius, it does not. It does not even have as much info as it does in xp.

Folder size. Specifically, it no longer displays folder size in the status bar, which was extremely useful for folks living in the real world. Especially helpful when adding files to a folder for burning....d'uh...

Um, you said "In windows explorer...task bar lacks info", there is no taskbar in the Windows Explorer windows where you navigate through folders, so I took your wrong accusation to mean the, um, taskbar. Doesn't that make sense seeing as though you said "taskbar". Windows Explorer is the 'explorer.exe' which encompasses the taskbar as well.

If you weren't talking about the taskbar and were instead referring to the bar at the bottom of the Windows Explorer windows from which you navigate through folders, why didn't you say? As for that element of Windows 7 lacking in information, it may well do, I'm unsure as it has been years since I've used Windows XP. That bar tells you the size of files you have selected, but not folders.

I said you were wrong because you said the taskbar lacks information, you didn't say the bar at the bottom of some of the main Windows Explorer windows.

What I'm tired of is the pimply faced fanboi's still living in mommy's basement who shoot their mouth off anytime anyone finds any faults with their beloved os. Get a girl, for crissakes....

So are you suggesting I may be a "pimply faced fanboi still living in mommy's basement", just because I proved you wrong in everything in your first post? Nice.

You couldn't be more wrong about me. I moved out when I was 18 and went to university - you know, got an education. I don't put that down to the reason why I understand Windows though, I put understanding Windows down to common sense. It's clear you don't understand Windows as I proved everything in your first post wrong.

By the way, I hate it when people use the word "fanboy" (or mispell it as "fanboi"), just because somebody likes a product :s For your information, I like Windows, Mac OS X and Linux, but of course some people do like to just jump to conclusions and not think about accusations before they make them (similar to how the first post of this thread was created).

As for being "pimply faced", I doubt that is true. I've never had any complaints from any of the girls or boys I've been with...

Oh, and btw...every damn thing I said is true.

:laugh:

Erm, you can't try and defend the fact that somebody has proven you wrong by saying "every damn thing I said is true" :s

I suggested you provide examples as to why you believe such things, but you haven't. You haven't even acknowledged any of the points I proved you wrong on other than to make it seem like you mistakenly said "taskbar" in your first post when you didn't actually mean the taskbar.

If you can't acknowledged the points I proved you wrong on, my views still stand - everything you said in your first post was extremely incorrect.

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7 runs just as good or a bit better than vista sp1 did on my rig. the only noticeable difference to me is the boot times and programs load faster.

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Folder size. Specifically, it no longer displays folder size in the status bar, which was extremely useful for folks living in the real world. Especially helpful when adding files to a folder for burning....d'uh...

To be honest, I don't think Microsoft can win here... you complain about no folder size.. but i don't recall it being in XP either. There is a very good reason for this as well.. think about the performance hit if Explorer had to pull the file sizes for a big folder with lots of subfolders under that folder... then think about accessing folders over a network... do you not think people at Microsoft have thought about this?

Personally i value performance and responsiveness over being able to see folder sizes...

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Um, you said "In windows explorer...task bar lacks info", there is no taskbar in the Windows Explorer windows where you navigate through folders, so I took your wrong accusation to mean the, um, taskbar. Doesn't that make sense seeing as though you said "taskbar". Windows Explorer is the 'explorer.exe' which encompasses the taskbar as well.

If you weren't talking about the taskbar and were instead referring to the bar at the bottom of the Windows Explorer windows from which you navigate through folders, why didn't you say? As for that element of Windows 7 lacking in information, it may well do, I'm unsure as it has been years since I've used Windows XP. That bar tells you the size of files you have selected, but not folders.

I said you were wrong because you said the taskbar lacks information, you didn't say the bar at the bottom of some of the main Windows Explorer windows.

Indeed...I did err when I refered to it as the taskbar....it is the status bar, and it lacks the basic info, as mentioned, that xp has. 100% true.

Left pane closes whenever right pane is clicked...100% true....tiadimundo however has provided a fix...(thanks)

Start menu....where previously simply scrolling with would automatically open each folder...now each folder needs to be clicked...100% true.

Usb...I have clicked on open with explorer a dozen times...went to the control panel selected open with explorer for mixed content ....still always get the same damn popup...this **** NEVER happened in xp, tell it what you wanted once, it always did it afterward....100% true.

Same goes for what I said about the control panel. I like a detailed layout. I choose the "small icons" option from within the main control panel page. I constantly find the icons shuffled....utterly moronic...but 100% true.

So are you suggesting I may be a "pimply faced fanboi still living in mommy's basement", just because I proved you wrong in everything in your first post? Nice. As for being "pimply faced", I doubt that is true. I've never had any complaints from any of the girls or boys I've been with...

No, because you didn't prove me wrong on anything....but you seem to believe that just because you have spoke, it must be so...and that is pretty much the definition of pimply faced fanboi...

And please, for God's sake...don't ask don't tell is in effect here...

To be honest, I don't think Microsoft can win here... you complain about no folder size.. but i don't recall it being in XP either. There is a very good reason for this as well.. think about the performance hit if Explorer had to pull the file sizes for a big folder with lots of subfolders under that folder... then think about accessing folders over a network... do you not think people at Microsoft have thought about this?

Personally i value performance and responsiveness over being able to see folder sizes...

That's nonsense. It only told the size of the single folder...not total size of "lots of subfolders"...

And please...every other explorer replacement, and windows explorer itself in xp suffered zero performance loss displaying a folder size....get real.

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Indeed...I did err when I refered to it as the taskbar....it is the status bar, and it lacks the basic info, as mentioned, that xp has. 100% true.

You're right, that is true. However, I said I proved you wrong on that because you refered to it as the taskbar, therefore I thought you were talking about the taskbar when I 'proved you wrong'.

But, yes, you are completely right about the status bar. It seems like obvious information to include in the status bar, though, so I'm wondering if it may be a performance issue (e.g. getting the file size of a massive folder - one which stores a lot of 400MB files or something).

Left pane closes whenever right pane is clicked...100% true....tiadimundo however has provided a fix...(thanks)

I've just tried to replicate this and I cannot seem to reproduce what you say is happening. Are you talking about the left sidebar which has your 'favourites' in? Are you saying this bar closes or disappears when the preview pane on the right side is clicked? If so, I cannot reproduce this and the left sidebar stays there for me all of the time.

Even after reading this post of yours and tiadimundo's post, I still do not have this problem.

As me and others who have posted do not have this problem, it means it is not a problem with Windows 7, but something on your end.

Start menu....where previously simply scrolling with would automatically open each folder...now each folder needs to be clicked...100% true.

This has been the same way since Windows Vista hasn't it? If you're referring to a change from Windows XP to Windows Vista and Windows 7 (and not a change which is only in Windows 7) which I think you are, then yes, you are 100% right, you do now have to click on a folder to open it. I much prefer this functionality over Windows XP's handling of the start menu as I find it keeps the programs in the start menu nice and organised. I thought it was a mess between Windows 95 and Windows XP.

But hey, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and I respect your opinion on this. This is the reason I asked for examples because as far as I was aware, nothing required more clicks in the start menu.

I do suggest you try using the search bar to find programs though, it makes things so much easier :)

Usb...I have clicked on open with explorer a dozen times...went to the control panel selected open with explorer for mixed content ....still always get the same damn popup...this **** NEVER happened in xp, tell it what you wanted once, it always did it afterward....100% true.

Again, I don't seem to have this problem so I think it may be an issue to do with something on your end? Have you tried re-installing Windows 7, doing a clean install? If so, and you still get this problem with the RTM version, I definitely recommend contacting Microsoft Support, or making a thread here on the issue, then maybe one of our Microsoft Partners may be able to help :)

Same goes for what I said about the control panel. I like a detailed layout. I choose the "small icons" option from within the main control panel page. I constantly find the icons shuffled....utterly moronic...but 100% true.

I have just tried to reproduce this problem and again, I don't seem to have this issue. I suggest the same as I have in the my reply to the quote above :) I'm not denying you have these issues, but you shouldn't have them so hopefully someone will be able to help you correct these problems? Maybe with another clean install of Windows 7 using the official ISO from the Microsoft website? These are not problems with Windows 7.

No, because you didn't prove me wrong on anything....but you seem to believe that just because you have spoke, it must be so...and that is pretty much the definition of pimply faced fanboi...

Whenever I am wrong, I admit it - just like I did with your start menu issue :) I don't take offense at being reffered to as a "pimply faced fanboi", but I'd like to know why you and others use this "fanboy" word to describe somebody who simply likes and uses a product.

I would call myself a fan of Windows or a fan of The Killers, but I don't understand this "fanboy" word? What's wrong with calling someone a "fan" of something, rather than a "fanboy". Also, just because I am a fan of something, it doesn't mean I don't like the competing products. I am a fan of Windows, but I am also a fan of Mac OS X.

I see what you did there! :p

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Very poorly designed things in Win7:

- Connect to the internet: click on the (completely useless) network icon in the taskbar tray, click on the connection name to make the "Connect" button appear, click connect button for connect dialog to appear, click Connect on connect dialog. Far too long-winded :pinch:

- if you want to avoid this click-orgy and make a shortcut to your internet connection, you're handed the short end of the stick once more as you're not allowed to pin it to the superbar :angry:

- Network icon in taskbar tray is completely useless (as I said already), it's just a static icon anymore. In XP, it still showed the network activity.

- The Action Centre always shows a white "I give up" flag in the taskbar tray - that doesn't inspire much confidence :pinch:

- The Explorer was already mentioned by others, I just want to add the Explorer toolbar which only has mostly useless entries and can't be customised on top of that :pinch:

- Rights management of files and folders is more long-winded now.

That's all I can think of right now.

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i find control panel a bit confusing too. i think after you use it for a while you will learn where each thing is. however i still would love classic view for it.

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Very poorly designed things in Win7:

- Connect to the internet: click on the (completely useless) network icon in the taskbar tray, click on the connection name to make the "Connect" button appear, click connect button for connect dialog to appear, click Connect on connect dialog. Far too long-winded :pinch:

- if you want to avoid this click-orgy and make a shortcut to your internet connection, you're handed the short end of the stick once more as you're not allowed to pin it to the superbar :angry:

- Network icon in taskbar tray is completely useless (as I said already), it's just a static icon anymore. In XP, it still showed the network activity.

For me, the network icon shows how much signal my network has (see attached screenshot). When there is a problem with the connection, it displays a yellow warning signal on top of that and when I am not connected to a network, it displays a yellow thing over the bars. How is that static? :s Also, I don't personally see any difference in that sense to the way it is displayed in Windows Vista; it's just a different icon, it still displays different states at the same different times.

i find control panel a bit confusing too. i think after you use it for a while you will learn where each thing is. however i still would love classic view for it.

If you click on "View by" and then "Large icons" or "Small icons" they are both exatly the same as "Classic view" in Windows Vista, it just lets you have different icon sizes now :)

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For me, the network icon shows how much signal my network has (see attached screenshot). When there is a problem with the connection, it displays a yellow warning signal on top of that and when I am not connected to a network, it displays a yellow thing over the bars. How is that static? :s Also, I don't personally see any difference in that sense to the way it is displayed in Windows Vista; it's just a different icon, it still displays different states at the same different times.

While I think new network icon is great for finding and connecting to networks, I think Ba'al was referring to LAN connections for which the icons stays static when connected. Although it does show a yellow warning sign when there's an issue. I personally have no issue with it not having a pointless 'blinking screen' like XP had. Wasn't really that much useful. At least the warning sign shows there IS an issue with your network.

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- The Action Centre always shows a white "I give up" flag in the taskbar tray...

Only shows on my system when there is an 'action' to be taken.

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Try hitting the Winkey and then start typing the first two or three letters of the application you need. I can open any program, music file, picture or document in a second that way. You can not do that through navigation on any system.

Try it first before you knock it. It made me a convert of search and I used to disable the indexing and search function because "I knew where my files were". You can streamline search to only the folders you keep documents which drastically reduces indexing time and frequency. You can also install appropriate ifilters and search for the contents in pictures, documents, music, email and even zip, rar and executable files.

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@OP: Hit the Winkey and select the control panel. Once open, use the search bar at the top of the window and start typing the name of the feature you need. The CP will display your choices and select the appropriate one. This is much faster than navigating through the control panel as this filters the results and saves you time looking for something.

I did try it (on Windows Vista and on OSX) and I still find that well kept shortcuts are better (and not installing 100 apps on your pc....)

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One, why can I no longer set the sleep button on my keyboard to shut down my computer..??

Also...I used to be able to shut everything down by just pushing the button....

Now...it sits there, telling me x & x & x program needs to be shut first...force ..?? are you sure..??

5 minutes alone in a room with the genius who thought up that one is all I ask... :rolleyes:

Must be an issue with your specific keyboard. The sleep button on my keyboard works just fine. :)

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:rolleyes:

Have you checked out XP Mode? I don't know your machine specs, but it may be an option.

Sorry 7 isn't working for you. It does for me, but I don't burn a lot of cd/dvd's. Don't like them for archiving, too volatile. 1 year after burning a tb of video files, they started acting funny. So I prefer external storage for that.

But check out XP mode if you haven't, it may have advantages for you that you don't realize yet.

Cheers!

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While I think new network icon is great for finding and connecting to networks, I think Ba'al was referring to LAN connections for which the icons stays static when connected. Although it does show a yellow warning sign when there's an issue. I personally have no issue with it not having a pointless 'blinking screen' like XP had. Wasn't really that much useful. At least the warning sign shows there IS an issue with your network.

But surely if it's a LAN connection, the signal will almost always be the same, very high? Surely that's why it's always the same when connected? It'll be different when there's an error (as you say) or when it's not connected. It's also different for wireless connections, the bar goes up and down depending on the signal.

Therefore, I still don't see why Lord Ba'al is complaining about it :)

Dude...I never "hurl insults" at anyone that doesn't start first. You might have known that if your reading comp skills were up to snuff.

Um, you (wrongly, might I add) referred to me as a "pimply faced fanboi" and I never hurled any insults at you, I just disagreed with your view on Windows 7 as you were blaming the operating system for problems on your end :rolleyes:

As for your solution...sadly, again it shows a lack of comprehension.(and try as you might, ya can't blame me for that).

Your solution, is useless.

The functionality of the status bar was such that when adding files to a folder, it would show the size of said folder without having to switch views so that the folder was now in the right pane...where files cannot be added to it. D'uh.

Frank Fontaine suggested you hover over a folder and wait for the tool-tip to show up (which actually takes less than 2 seconds). This tooltip shows the size of the folder you are hovering over. You don't have to switch any views or anything. You can just hover over a folder, see the size, then add the files to it; voila, you then have what you want. Maybe you should try things out when people suggest them to you rather than attacking the people who are trying to help you?

Now...it sits there, telling me x & x & x program needs to be shut first...force ..?? are you sure..??

5 minutes alone in a room with the genius who thought up that one is all I ask... :rolleyes:

This is one thing which annoys me too, but I'm sure there is either a good reason for it, or it's just because it's a development build (release candidate is not actually the release). Microsoft wouldn't change something like this unless there was a good reason. I have a feeling it's because gadgets are open and things like anti-virus programs. Maybe it's something to do with that why they changed it? I'd like to hear the reason first before I jump to conclusions like you have done.

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