Many things take longer in "7"....


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In windows explorer...task bar lacks info.

In windows explorer...left pane constantly closes(wtf is up with that)

Start menu...requires more clicks to get to the same place.

Usb...always gets the popup, regardless of how many times it's set.

Control panel.....wtf..?? Items are listed in a different order each time it's opened...are these people out of their freakin' minds...???

Syre...7 is snappy and all, but oh so many things are less simple than in XP....making 7 a freakin turkey, imho.

I do applaud MS for listening to what people wanted in an os.....HOWEVER, they should have gone to normal folk, and not to the knobs, which has resulted in a step backward...despite their best efforts.

I am running Vista 64 bit with SP2. Just did a clean install and I couldn't be happier. Windows 7 is still on RC and still needs some work. Be patient. It took Microsoft 2 years to make Vista work right (SP2).

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To expand on what you said a bit it actually takes no clicks (same on Vista) use the "Start Button" on the keyboard type wo for Word or and when it filters in the list use the "Enter Key" to launch the program same goes for any other program or to launch a document type a word or phrase from inside the document or the file name.

To expand on what you said ;) You don't even have to wait for it to filter :) Do what winrez suggested but as soon as you type "wo", or whatever query you type, press 'Enter' straight away and it will load that program. It's because it loads the first program in the results, so as long as you type the right thing, there's no need to wait for anything. I press the 'Windows' key, type "pa" and then press 'Enter' straight away and Paint appears almost instantly :) All much quicker than navigating through the 'All programs' folder structure.

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If you click on "View by" and then "Large icons" or "Small icons" they are both exatly the same as "Classic view" in Windows Vista, it just lets you have different icon sizes now :)

oh thank you :) you are my saviour! somehow i missed that :p

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I agree. A good example of this is system restore. In windows XP you open system restore and you can restore or create a restore point. In vista and Windows 7 you open system restore and all you can do is restore. To actually create a restore point you have to go to system properties / and click "Create". I've always thought that was one of the most retarded places to put things.

press windows button, type restore point, press enter

no clicks, no mouse movement, extremely simple

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press windows button, type restore point, press enter

no clicks, no mouse movement, extremely simple

Er, exactly when did adding typing to the required mouse clicks come to equal "easier"..??

On my planet..click click click will always be easier than click type type type click.

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simple and easy search oh and to the poster above me ther is no clicks needed cause ya can do search without any clicks of the mouse . for the start menu you just Win+key start typing and then hit Enter or scroll down using the down arrow key to select something else in the list . now control panel same thing almost but ya can Tab to the search now course in window s7 the search is Global so the start menu contains and will show as seen the screens i posted control panel items as well as tell ya how many control panel items are related to what ever ya types in .

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I think what happens occasionally with Control Panel items is that the number of columns in which the small or large icons are arranged in changes, probably after changing the Explorer window width while exploring folders. For me it usually is either two or three columns which naturally changes the placement of the icons and thus invites confusion.

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...HOWEVER, they should have gone to normal folk, and not to the knobs, which has resulted in a step backward...despite their best efforts...

I TOTALLY agree with you.

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Er, exactly when did adding typing to the required mouse clicks come to equal "easier"..??

On my planet..click click click will always be easier than click type type type click.

There's no clicking involved in his example.

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There's no clicking involved in his example.

exactly, and typing is always easier as you don't have to move your hand away from the keyboard. That's why shortcuts exists, the mouse is an ergonomical disaster

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Very poorly designed things in Win7:

- Connect to the internet: click on the (completely useless) network icon in the taskbar tray, click on the connection name to make the "Connect" button appear, click connect button for connect dialog to appear, click Connect on connect dialog. Far too long-winded :pinch:

I feel what you're saying. :D Totally hate it.

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Try rebuilding the index and try it again.

But do you see what's wrong with that?

MS had a perfectly fine search tool built into Explorer since Win95--if you're looking for File.ext in folder X, you start a recursive search at folder X for any file whose name matches File.ext.

But, noooooooo, nowadays, everything has to be tagged and indexed and you search that database. Great in theory, but you realize in about three seconds flag that the problem is that unless the indexing can keep up with changes made to the file system in realtime, you can't vouch for the accuracy of the results.

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Only shows on my system when there is an 'action' to be taken.

No, it definitely always shows. If there are no issues, it just says "No current issues detected".

Also, they really should've choosen something else, rather than hoisting a white flag :pinch:

Besides that, Uac still seriously needs improvements - it's simply too stupid to remember which apps I need to run as admin and thus pesters me *every single time* I launch it :pinch:

I feel what you're saying. :D Totally hate it.

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I don't knwo who came up with that crap - probably someone who has never even used it a single time :pinch:

But do you see what's wrong with that?

MS had a perfectly fine search tool built into Explorer since Win95--if you're looking for File.ext in folder X, you start a recursive search at folder X for any file whose name matches File.ext.

But, noooooooo, nowadays, everything has to be tagged and indexed and you search that database. Great in theory, but you realize in about three seconds flag that the problem is that unless the indexing can keep up with changes made to the file system in realtime, you can't vouch for the accuracy of the results.

Yes, that's why that stupid indexing nonsense is the first thing I turn off :x

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I don't knwo who came up with that crap - probably someone who has never even used it a single time :pinch:

I find that "crap" very useful for wireless connections. A step forward from Vista's method of handing wireless connections, and 10 steps ahead of the clumsy wireless connecting experience in XP. The days of "You're now connected." "The signal's very weak, but I'll keep trying. Click me for more info!" are gone.

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My only grip with Win7 is the lack of information in the status bar of explorer windows.

The only useful information by default when opening a folder is the number of items in that folder. In XP, the total size of that folder is shown too as well as the security zone. IMO in Win7 it should show what type of folder this is (Pictures, Videos, etc), how big, etc. (what if I want to copy it to a CD or DVD and some are too big to fit unknownly to me because of a simple bit of info is missing from the status bar). I know you could select files in the folder but in XP you didn't have to do this.

I do enjoy changes but large changes in EACH version of Windows is a no-no. Look at Apple's mac (I don't even use it but judging from screenshots in my life-time of Windows-user), not much have changed, just new features added and streamlined. With windows, they change things around, forcing many business to spend thousands of dollars in re-training, which is excatly why not many business are keen to upgrade everytime a new version launches.

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I find that "crap" very useful for wireless connections.

It's completely beyond me how you can find that clicking orgy "useful" :blink:

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I can't think of a single reason for not using the search bar in start menu

Not everyone is wired to use or like the search function. That is the beauty of Windows is it gives the end user choices on how they choose to use their computer. I like and use the search function, and will explain it's benefits but at the end of the day it is up to each person to use their computer the way it fits their needs and I respect their choices.

But do you see what's wrong with that?

MS had a perfectly fine search tool built into Explorer since Win95--if you're looking for File.ext in folder X, you start a recursive search at folder X for any file whose name matches File.ext.

But, noooooooo, nowadays, everything has to be tagged and indexed and you search that database. Great in theory, but you realize in about three seconds flag that the problem is that unless the indexing can keep up with changes made to the file system in realtime, you can't vouch for the accuracy of the results.

Hit the Winkey+F and use advanced search and it will still do searches much like the way it was done in Win95 along with indexed search. Indexing just speeds search up and that is true only for what is indexed.

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Hit the Winkey+F and use advanced search and it will still do searches much like the way it was done in Win95 along with indexed search. Indexing just speeds search up and that is true only for what is indexed.

But doesn't the fact that the default search doesn't behave like this negate the usefulness of having the search bar everywhere to begin with? It's there, and I can't use it.

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But doesn't the fact that the default search doesn't behave like this negate the usefulness of having the search bar everywhere to begin with? It's there, and I can't use it.

Windows XP search was the same as what we had in windows 95 and 98se and it was so freaking slow slow slow slow and was not always accurate . with windows 7 more so in 7 then vista but 7s search is far faster and more accurate and with it you specially the advanced search ya can really filter down the type of files you are looking for or exertions .

i would imagine anyone here who uses Search in windows 7 for example could do the same work you do or files you have stored somewhere and get to them far faster and save time

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It's completely beyond me how you can find that clicking orgy "useful" :blink:

You people are so full of fail, I don't know where you are getting "clicking orgy" on my laptop TWO CLICKS to connect or disconnect, and its much faster than vista/XP.

This thread it the most moronic pile of fail I have ever seen.

The start menu in vista/7 is superior to XP in every singe way and so is the search (instantaneous searches with indexing oh noes! and even in non indexed folders you can still search fine.)

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It's completely beyond me how you can find that clicking orgy "useful" :blink:

Umm... because it replaces the Connect to Network wizard from Vista?

It requires two clicks so that all items on the list don't have a "Connect automatically" checkbox beside them. It makes sense to expose that checkbox for only the network you intend to connect to so it only pops up when you select a network, in addition to a connect button. Again, cutting down on visual clutter.

So you might say "okay then, can't you just do away with a "connect automatically" checkbox and the Connect buttons and make all items on that list a single click?" They could, but where would they put the checkbox then? In a separate dialog box that pops up when you're successfully connected to the network (like Vista)? But you still got an extra click to dismiss a rather pointless dialog, one they removed for Windows 7. Another option is to place this checkbox beneath a text field asking you for your password, but what if that wireless network doesn't require a password, and you still like to control whether your PC auto-connects to that wireless point?

Seriously, before you go off and think UI designers are dumb for making the decisions they do, give it some thought. Throw a couple of different case scenarios at it. Your own case isn't the only one that matters.

edit: Looks like you're talking about establishing a connection for possibly a PPPoE DSL connection. Maybe for that case the extra connect dialog you're talking about is useless. But in any case, it's far from "crap" when it comes to wireless connections.

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edit: Looks like you're talking about establishing a connection for possibly a PPPoE DSL connection. Maybe for that case the extra connect dialog you're talking about is useless. But in any case, it's far from "crap" when it comes to wireless connections.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about all the time - and yes, it *is* useless, and it *does* take four clicks to establish a connection, not two! (unless you can't count to three and are stuck at two :rofl: )

On XP, the "Connect To" entry in the start menu folded out a menu with your connections, so they were easily avaiable. On Win7, the "Connect To" entry is simply useless, as it doesn't open a menu with your connections, but opens the network icon dialog, from which you have to select and expand your connection in order to be able to get to the connection dialog :pinch:

I've made a shortcut to the connection on the desktop now to avoid this retarded nonsense, but was hit by yet another design flaw, as I'm not allowed to pin that connection shortcut to the superbar :pinch:

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