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It's completely beyond me how you can find that clicking orgy "useful" :blink:

It's still far and away an improvement over that abortion Windows XP has.

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It's completely beyond me how you can find that clicking orgy "useful" :blink:

Because it's a lot easier than what was in previous versions of Windows? I mean, seriously, it only takes 2 clicks. Are you THAT damn lazy? Not to mention, you can click a check box to have it automatically connect to it again. I'd also say it's one of my favorite 7 features.

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Windows XP search was the same as what we had in windows 95 and 98se

...did you miss the part where I said that's why I liked it? It works[/i]. I'd rather have something that I know is accurate (but slow) than something that's fast but yield questionable results.

and it was so freaking slow slow slow slow and was not always accurate .

Not always accurate? I've never had any reason to believe it was broken. With the Vista/2008/7 search...I can demonstrate, at will, that the results are inaccurate.

with windows 7 more so in 7 then vista but 7s search is far faster and more accurate and with it you specially the advanced search ya can really filter down the type of files you are looking for or exertions .

...assuming the index is up to date. If you make lots of changes to the file system and then immediately start searching for things, you'll quickly realize that the results you get are worthless because they're inaccurate.

Still in this day and age--not every piece of information has to be treated like it should be searched like search engines do.

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Windows XP search was the same as what we had in windows 95 and 98se and it was so freaking slow slow slow slow and was not always accurate . with windows 7 more so in 7 then vista but 7s search is far faster and more accurate and with it you specially the advanced search ya can really filter down the type of files you are looking for or exertions .

i would imagine anyone here who uses Search in windows 7 for example could do the same work you do or files you have stored somewhere and get to them far faster and save time

Actually Windows XP search is based on Windows 2000 search. Windows 2000/XP search is actually really fast two steps: "Winkey+F" + "*.mp3" and it will show you all the *.mp3 files on your entire computer. It was 100% accurate, unless you are one of those oddballs who searches for "*.mp2" and expects to find "*.mp3" files.

I cannot even understand how it can be inaccurate.

Windows 7 search takes about four to five times longer and you can't even search DVD/CD drivers with it. You seem to not realize that the file extension determines the file type?

The last sentence seems to be an incomplete thought which I cannot make sense of.

Windows 7 Search

PRO: Embedded in every Explorer Window

CON: Slow, Refuses To Search *-ROM, Not Much In Terms of Options Either

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Actually Windows XP search is based on Windows 2000 search. Windows 2000/XP search is actually really fast two steps: "Winkey+F" + "*.mp3" and it will show you all the *.mp3 files on your entire computer. It was 100% accurate, unless you are one of those oddballs who searches for "*.mp2" and expects to find "*.mp3" files.

I cannot even understand how it can be inaccurate.

Windows 7 search takes about four to five times longer and you can't even search DVD/CD drivers with it. You seem to not realize that the file extension determines the file type?

The last sentence seems to be an incomplete thought which I cannot make sense of.

Windows 7 Search

PRO: Embedded in every Explorer Window

CON: Slow, Refuses To Search *-ROM, Not Much In Terms of Options Either

Um, from my experience, the search in Vista and 7 is WAY faster than XP's search ever was. I always get instant results on Vista and 7. Something I never got on XP. As far as options go, Vista and 7 also have way more options. I can narrow down my searches with the advanced query syntax, which 7 now makes a lot of those options available through UI.

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Because it's a lot easier than what was in previous versions of Windows? I mean, seriously, it only takes 2 clicks.

Your fervent insistence on this nonsense is really ludicrous :pinch:

Ok, for slowpokes who can't count to three (much less four):

1. Click on "Connect to" in Start menu, or Click on network icon in taskbar tray

2. In the list, click on the name of your connection to make the "Connect" button appear (which is hidden just to annoy people)

3. Click the bloody Connect button

4. Connect dialog appears, click on "connect" to establish a connection

Ok, got that so far? That makes *four* clicks (if you got any other result, you urgently need to retake elementary class maths).

Disconnect requires the same sh*t all over again, another four clicks :x

Now let's see how it was on XP:

1. Get your mouse over "Connect to" in Start menu, Connections list automatically folds out, click name of your connection

2. Connect dialog appears, click on "connect" to establish a connection

Now *that* was only two clicks. For Disconnect, you just right-click the network icon and select "Disconnect", or just the same two steps as above again.

Requiring four clicks instead of two really doesn't qualify as "a lot easier" in my book :no:

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Now let's see how it was on XP:

1. Get your mouse over "Connect to" in Start menu, Connections list automatically folds out, click name of your connection

2. Connect dialog appears, click on "connect" to establish a connection

Now *that* was only two clicks. For Disconnect, you just right-click the network icon and select "Disconnect", or just the same two steps as above again.

Including the click to bring up the start menu in the first place makes it 3 clicks, not 2. :huh: .

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Here's my steps:

1. Click on the Network Icon

2. Double click on the Wireless Network I want to connect to.

3. There is only a third step if a password is required otherwise Windows doesn't ask for anything else of me.

See? Two clicks (double click is still considered one click to me). I don't wait around to click on the connect button.

You seem to have forgotten the click required to access the Start Menu, Lord Ba'al. Also, Windows 7's method has less mouse movement. As for the connect button being "hidden", it's that way to remove clutter and to make connecting to networks simple and to the point. Unfortunately, Ba'al, logic doesn't seem to be something you're familiar with.

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Your fervent insistence on this nonsense is really ludicrous :pinch:

Ok, for slowpokes who can't count to three (much less four):

1. Click on "Connect to" in Start menu, or Click on network icon in taskbar tray

2. In the list, click on the name of your connection to make the "Connect" button appear (which is hidden just to annoy people)

3. Click the bloody Connect button

4. Connect dialog appears, click on "connect" to establish a connection

Ok, got that so far? That makes *four* clicks (if you got any other result, you urgently need to retake elementary class maths).

Disconnect requires the same sh*t all over again, another four clicks :x

Now let's see how it was on XP:

1. Get your mouse over "Connect to" in Start menu, Connections list automatically folds out, click name of your connection

2. Connect dialog appears, click on "connect" to establish a connection

Now *that* was only two clicks. For Disconnect, you just right-click the network icon and select "Disconnect", or just the same two steps as above again.

Requiring four clicks instead of two really doesn't qualify as "a lot easier" in my book :no:

Again, "Connect" isn't hidden to annoy people. It's to reduce clutter. Do you need other people besides myself and xiphi to re-explain that over and over?

Also, you can cut down on one click by simply clicking the Network icon instead of going through the Start button then Connect To... if somehow the number of clicks bothers you that much. :hmmm:

If you still want to complain about how clumsy it is to establish a PPPoE connection, then I'll complain about how clumsy it was to connect to a wireless network in XP:*

- Assume you're connecting to a new network. A balloon pops up saying connections are available. You click on it, or double click on the wireless tray icon if you've previously closed the balloon.

- A window listing the available wireless networks appears. You click on your desired network, choose to auto-connect to this network or not, then click Connect. You enter details into the credentials dialog.

- That same window and a connecting dialog stay on your desktop while your PC tries to connect.

- Once the connection is established, a balloon pops up saying "<<connection>> is now connected. Speed: <<blah>> Strength: Excellent/Good/Poor." Pretty informative the first time, but you'd have to dismiss the stupid balloon every single time your system starts up if you choose to connect to this network automatically if available.

- You close the window with the list of wireless networks.

- And if you decide to shut off the wireless radio on your PC, another balloon pops up telling you there's no connection. So you have to address that balloon as well.

Now compare this to Windows 7:

- You're trying to connect to a new network. There's a star telling you that connections are available. You click on the icon.

- You select your desired connection, then click Connect. You can optionally choose to remember this network or not. The list goes away.

- If a password is required, it prompts you with a dialog. Otherwise, it initially has a connecting progress dialog.

- Once it's connected, you'll see the connection with 1 to 5 bars lit up.

- If there's no connection or if the radio's off, the icon simply has a X through it.

*may be subject to errors; I haven't installed XP on this laptop in almost a year

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just face it Windows 7 has few clicks on connecting to a network and it reduces the UI clutter and the numerous dialog boxes or pop ups you used to get in windows XP and or in windows vista . the Windows 7 team set out to polish windows make it more uses able with less clutter and expose functinality instead of hiding it and makeing you sit rhough menus after menus and i think they succeeded . and ya know what i would assume that once your notbook or netbook or desktop system with a wireless card in it is connected to your network that it will always be connected right away so going through 1 or 2 clicks only happens 1 time until ya change something big or re-do your entire wireless options in your home.

umm on the wireless networking thing has anyone tried out the Locations aware printing in windows 7 and how is that working out

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Um, from my experience, the search in Vista and 7 is WAY faster than XP's search ever was. I always get instant results on Vista and 7. Something I never got on XP. As far as options go, Vista and 7 also have way more options. I can narrow down my searches with the advanced query syntax, which 7 now makes a lot of those options available through UI.

Are you talking about *with* indexing on? I wasn't talking about searching indexed areas, actually Indexing is somewhat like a cheat when it comes down to the actual search speeds (searching index vs searching actual files). Sorry for the confusion.

Now, if you actually was talking about *actually* searching you computer, I cannot fathom how it would be faster if it checks for more information than XP.

I can't really bench because I have indexing enabled on W7 (So you might argue that this is very slow), but on XP, it takes 7 Seconds To Search My SSD, no indexing, 632 *.mp3 files found. 139,760 total file count in 56.2 GB on two partitions. Now if I specify to search in Documents and Settings (Thats the Users Folder For XP), it instantly displays, 473 *.mp3 files. (I don't need other functionality like searching for authors of files or something odd like that ..)

Although, speed a is a small factor, here are a few others,

- It starts searching as I type

- I have to tell it to search for extension to search for extension instead of just using a wildcard (gotta adjust)

- It refused to search my DVD.

- It shows less searches per screen - (Windows 7 generally has a fat GUI) - so I gotta scroll more.

- Takes more writing & clicks than Classic Search. (when using the Winkey + F dialog, otherwise GUI wise - it takes less for it is just there always in the corner...)

Also, network thing is better in Windows 7, as it works just like in Ubuntu: two clicks to connect. In XP, it is four clicks (or three if counting the doubleclick as one click) and then it does work better in Windows 7 - the wireless connection thing.

One thing that takes longer in Windows 7 is Scrolling as due to the fat GUI, less results/items are shown per screen. That is kinda annoying - I mean that space is taken up by glitter, not anything actually useful - if it wasn't just wasted, then I wouldn't complain. Or sometimes, there is space that could just use more information - like the file transfer dialogs without anything on them even a functional progress bar.

EDIT: Clarified things.

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Try using the Search bar more as it is more quicker. They want people to adapt to newer methods of starting apps than the old Start > Programs > Microsoft Office > Microsoft Word.

Now why would they want people to do something like that? Why can't they let people do it the way they want? I think MS designs some of these features for its own benefit/agenda rather than for the benefit of its customers! Why is Search suddenly mandatory? It is more work to type in a name of an app, no matter how fast the search is, rather than simply click on an icon! Besides that, some people don't want the Search service running at all, because they'd rather have maximum performance and stability than dubious, seldom-used features.

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Even when I search un-indexed areas, the results are near instant (only a second or two before the search is finished).

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Now why would they want people to do something like that? Why can't they let people do it the way they want? I think MS designs some of these features for its own benefit/agenda rather than for the benefit of its customers! Why is Search suddenly mandatory? It is more work to type in a name of an app, no matter how fast the search is, rather than simply click on an icon! Besides that, some people don't want the Search service running at all, because they'd rather have maximum performance and stability than dubious, seldom-used features.

I don't see how they are forcing you and how search is mandatory? Before the search bar was implemented into the 'Start' menu, you had to click just as much as you do now to access programs. They added to one useful feature in Windows XP (recently used or pinned programs in the 'Start' menu) and they added another even more useful feature in Windows Vista (a search bar in the 'Start' menu). Nothing has been changed in regards to how many clicks it takes or how harder it is to access programs in the 'Start' menu (even after the changes to he 'All programs' list in Windows Vista, if you keep your programs organised in folders). People are just suggesting you make use of the handy search bar.

As with most other people, I find it quicker to type the first letter or two of a program and press 'Enter', than clicking 'All programs' and then looking for the folder the program is in.

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No, it definitely always shows. If there are no issues, it just says "No current issues detected".

Also, they really should've choosen something else, rather than hoisting a white flag :pinch:

Yep sorry my mistake, for some reason i remember it only being there when there was an action to be taken.

Has it always been this way or was it the other way in older builds, surley it should only appear when there are actions to be taken :s

White flag in this case i would say was appropriate as windows has given surrendered and realises it needs your help :p

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Again, "Connect" isn't hidden to annoy people. It's to reduce clutter.[/size]

Clutter? What clutter? :blink:

One could perhaps understand this if you had ten or more connections, which wouldn't all fit in the network icon dialog.

However, as the very most people only have three connections at the most, it doesn't reduce any clutter but is simply annoying and a very moronic design decision, no matter how much you try to smooth-talk it :pinch:

Yep sorry my mistake, for some reason i remember it only being there when there was an action to be taken.

Has it always been this way or was it the other way in older builds, surley it should only appear when there are actions to be taken :s

White flag in this case i would say was appropriate as windows has given surrendered and realises it needs your help :p

Ok, perhaps hoisting the white flag isn't quite that unfitting when there are problems, but showing a white flag all the time is simply a bad idea - unless Windows wants to say, "Uh-oh, I think I messed up something again, but I don't know exactly what yet, so I'll give a general warning just in case" :rofl:

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Clutter? What clutter? :blink:

One could perhaps understand this if you had ten or more connections, which wouldn't all fit in the network icon dialog.

However, as the very most people only have three connections at the most, it doesn't reduce any clutter but is simply annoying and a very moronic design decision, no matter how much you try to smooth-talk it :pinch:

Go live in an apartment full of people with routers and don't be surprised to find more than 20+ wireless access points. While riding on the bus I've caught many many wireless access points just by passing by a group of apartments.

Now how would you like that? Seeing a list with 20 stacked Connect buttons?

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Now how would you like that? Seeing a list with 20 stacked Connect buttons?

As I said, for 10+ connections I could understand if they hide the connect buttons, but hiding them when you have only few which easily fit in the list is really dumb and just makes that "feature" a pain in the ass :x

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As I said, for 10+ connections I could understand if they hide the connect buttons, but hiding them when you have only few which easily fit in the list is really dumb and just makes that "feature" a pain in the ass :x

I'm interested in how often you connect to your network/networks?

I rarely do because I select the 'automatically connect' option. Does that not work in your situation?

I'm intrigued because if you don't have to connect often, then surely one extra click to see the 'Connect' button shouldn't matter? It makes the interface cleaner not displaying the buttons for each connection, without clicking, even with two or 3 different connections.

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I'm interested in how often you connect to your network/networks?

I rarely do because I select the 'automatically connect' option. Does that not work in your situation?

I'm intrigued because if you don't have to connect often, then surely one extra click to see the 'Connect' button shouldn't matter? It makes the interface cleaner not displaying the buttons for each connection, without clicking, even with two or 3 different connections.

What's wrong with double-clicking on a list item in 7 to connect to it? Is there something more that you get when you click the connection and then click the Connect button?

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What's wrong with double-clicking on a list item in 7 to connect to it? Is there something more that you get when you click the connection and then click the Connect button?

There's nothing wrong with double clicking a network (assuming you don't need to untick "Connect automatically") but apparently someone finds this a giant waste of clicks. :rolleyes:

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What's wrong with double-clicking on a list item in 7 to connect to it? Is there something more that you get when you click the connection and then click the Connect button?

Yep, there's nothing wrong with that either :) It's even quicker than what I suggested, thanks :)

So, Lord Ba'al, I include that in my question in the above post, as well :)

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There's nothing wrong with double clicking a network (assuming you don't need to untick "Connect automatically") but apparently someone finds this a giant waste of clicks. :rolleyes:

Oh good, I thought I might have missed something. Anyway, the double-click to connect feature makes sense, unless somehow the user can't figure out how to double-click, in which case, single-clicking is still an option. I'm suspecting that what is really behind this argument is a sort of "It works my way, or it sucks" attitude, in which case, there is no point to the discussion. There's nothing to win...I guess you could ask him to give you a sticker or something...

You know, now that I try keyboard navigation in that popup list, I've found that I can't actually type in a network name. It will jump to the letter that you type, but if you continue typing, it will keep shifting. So if you type in Al for a network called Allison, you'll find yourself pointing to linksys. Now that's dumb.

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I'm interested in how often you connect to your network/networks?

I rarely do because I select the 'automatically connect' option. Does that not work in your situation?

If you're on an always-on Lan connection (e.g. Lan at your worksplace or similar) and only connect once when you boot your PC, then having a few clicks more just that one time probably won't bug you.

However, if you're on a dial-up connection and connect every time you want to surf the web or do other things online (and disconnect afterwards), which you do several times a days, then having a few clicks more every single time you connect and disconnect *is* annoying.

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