Many things take longer in "7"....


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If you're on an always-on Lan connection (e.g. Lan at your worksplace or similar) and only connect once when you boot your PC, then having a few clicks more just that one time probably won't bug you.

However, if you're on a dial-up connection and connect every time you want to surf the web or do other things online (and disconnect afterwards), which you do several times a days, then having a few clicks more every single time you connect and disconnect *is* annoying.

XP:

Click Start Menu.

Click relevant connection.

Click Connect.

Win7:

Click tray icon.

Double-click relevant connection.

Yeah, I bet this has made your life just unbearable.

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I love reading all this crap about network connections. I guess I have it easy. I turn on my computer, Windows loads, and my computer has net. I don't ever have to click on anything. On my daughter's netbook, she turns on her computer, Windows loads, and she has net. If she unplugs the cable then Windows 7 automatically switches over to the wireless connection, and she has net. She never has to click anything. She's 3 years old, by the way.

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If you are using an always-on broadband connection, which the majority do, then what is the problem with the 'Connect' issue as it should really be set to automcatically connect.

Moaning for the sake of it...

I still do wonder why Lord Ba'al is using Windows 7 - ALL you do is complain about it?!?!

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If you're on an always-on Lan connection (e.g. Lan at your worksplace or similar) and only connect once when you boot your PC, then having a few clicks more just that one time probably won't bug you.

However, if you're on a dial-up connection and connect every time you want to surf the web or do other things online (and disconnect afterwards), which you do several times a days, then having a few clicks more every single time you connect and disconnect *is* annoying.

I dont understand your motivation. If you had your way everything would be accessible from the desktop

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You sir are the single most annoying person I know on Neowin...

I dont understand your motivation. If you had your way everything would be accessible from the desktop

:laugh:

+1

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Yeah, a friend told me about the "more clicks needed than Vista's Control Panel". It was pretty good in XP, not as good as OS X obviously (now, don't get me wrong, the System Preferences couldn't really be better), but Vista made it nearly impossible to understand for me. I mean, just to set up a VPN connection at school took me 5 minutes under OS X and there's like one panel to do it, while in Vista, there's like 4 different windows to set up Wireless connections and they all have their unique utility. I had to go see a technician for that, and I can't say I ever did that before, I'm the computer guy at school... So what the fudge was that?

So yeah, a friend told me that apparently Windows 7 may be better than Vista in many aspects, but the control panel got even WORSE and nobody talked about it. That part in Vista can be understood in many months, but when something like this in 7 can only be understood after a few years, there's a huge problem with the UI.

Please don't make any comparison with Office 2007, because this interface was in fact much better and easier to understand than any previous Office version. You have to learn it and read every ribbon at first, which can take like half an hour. Then you're ready to rock with the app! It's not the same thing with these control panels !

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Yeah, a friend told me about the "more clicks needed than Vista's Control Panel". It was pretty good in XP, not as good as OS X obviously (now, don't get me wrong, the System Preferences couldn't really be better), but Vista made it nearly impossible to understand for me. I mean, just to set up a VPN connection at school took me 5 minutes under OS X and there's like one panel to do it, while in Vista, there's like 4 different windows to set up Wireless connections and they all have their unique utility. I had to go see a technician for that, and I can't say I ever did that before, I'm the computer guy at school... So what the fudge was that?

So yeah, a friend told me that apparently Windows 7 may be better than Vista in many aspects, but the control panel got even WORSE and nobody talked about it. That part in Vista can be understood in many months, but when something like this in 7 can only be understood after a few years, there's a huge problem with the UI.

Please don't make any comparison with Office 2007, because this interface was in fact much better and easier to understand than any previous Office version. You have to learn it and read every ribbon at first, which can take like half an hour. Then you're ready to rock with the app! It's not the same thing with these control panels !

Not sure what you're talking about. There's only one window to setup a VPN connection and that's accessible via one link in Network and Sharing Center. Or simply open Control Panel and type VPN in the Search, and you get:

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... and you go from there with this dialog:

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That's just two steps.

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I dont understand your motivation. If you had your way everything would be accessible from the desktop

LOL

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I agree, Windows 7 is slower because it's in development right now. Although it is faster than Vista on a fresh install, but slower on everything else, including gaming. At least on this machine, it'll remain Vista and 7 on a dual boot.

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Yeah, a friend told me about the "more clicks needed than Vista's Control Panel". It was pretty good in XP, not as good as OS X obviously (now, don't get me wrong, the System Preferences couldn't really be better), but Vista made it nearly impossible to understand for me. I mean, just to set up a VPN connection at school took me 5 minutes under OS X and there's like one panel to do it, while in Vista, there's like 4 different windows to set up Wireless connections and they all have their unique utility. I had to go see a technician for that, and I can't say I ever did that before, I'm the computer guy at school... So what the fudge was that?

Why on earth are you sifting through the Control Panel? Just type vpn into the Start Menu, hit Enter, type your configuration, hit Enter, and you're done. If your keyboard has a Windows key on it, you don't even need to touch your mouse. Keep in mind that in Vista and beyond, there are new ways of doing things - some of which are actually better and faster.

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You guys are using the search function. Yeah, I could use it everywhere in the world and say "it's just one click away". I could type "Office 2003 support" in Google and click the first link, but it may take like 10 clicks to reach the same page if you're coming directly from Microsoft.com Just an example.

You're supposed to actually be able to do things intuitively without the need of a search function.

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I don't understand why the search can't be an intuitive way of doing things. It is always accessible (exempting full-screen programs like Games or WMC). It lets you launch things, open things, configure stuff, run commands like shutdown -h -t 0.

It really is a new way of navigating and accessing programs and documents, and I find typing a command like "set up vpn" to be more intuitive than clicking on little pictures in some abstract organization unit called a Control Panel.

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I don't understand why the search can't be an intuitive way of doing things. It is always accessible (exempting full-screen programs like Games or WMC). It lets you launch things, open things, configure stuff, run commands like shutdown -h -t 0.

It really is a new way of navigating and accessing programs and documents, and I find typing a command like "set up vpn" to be more intuitive than clicking on little pictures in some abstract organization unit called a Control Panel.

The search is the intuitive way to do these things, I think these are just trying to make it harder than it really is.

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You guys are using the search function. Yeah, I could use it everywhere in the world and say "it's just one click away". I could type "Office 2003 support" in Google and click the first link, but it may take like 10 clicks to reach the same page if you're coming directly from Microsoft.com Just an example.

You're supposed to actually be able to do things intuitively without the need of a search function.

Well even without search, let's see how to create a VPN connection:

Let's open Network Center. Accessible by clicking the network icon and clicking Open Network Center.

Click on the link that mentions setting up a VPN connection.

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Select "connect to workplace", which also mentions connecting to a VPN.

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Select the first option... assuming there's no need to dial into your workplace.

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And then you get the dialog as I posted above. So what part of this is difficult?

Oh and I should remind you that another Mac user said one of the good things about OS X's System Preferences is... wait for it... it highlights for you what control panels are applicable when you search for what you want! Just like how it is here in Windows 7.

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You're supposed to actually be able to do things intuitively without the need of a search function.

It's the new far more intuitive way of doing things, if you prefer the old way of doing things then sir you may go catch your woolly mammoth with your spear and i shall go to Tesco!

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You're supposed to actually be able to do things intuitively without the need of a search function.

Search is almost always the fastest and easiest way to do something because you don't have to remember where anything is. Even the most intuitive menu in the world can't beat that.

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It's the new far more intuitive way of doing things, if you prefer the old way of doing things then sir you may go catch your woolly mammoth with your spear and i shall go to Tesco!

You Sir are funny! :laugh:

With WIndows 7 I find myself using Search more and more, its just so easy and quicker than it was on Vista.

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Oh and I should remind you that another Mac user said one of the good things about OS X's System Preferences is... wait for it... it highlights for you what control panels are applicable when you search for what you want! Just like how it is here in Windows 7.
It's the new far more intuitive way of doing things, if you prefer the old way of doing things then sir you may go catch your woolly mammoth with your spear and i shall go to Tesco!

I never said Search was bad and should be avoided, for Christ's sake. And yes it's great the way they did that in OS X, but I'm rarely using it because I know where the things are and it doesn't take 10 clicks to go there. I'm just saying "Because Search is there, is this a reason to mess up the whole system anyway"?

Following your logic, you'd be OK with putting all your files of your hard drive in just ONE folder and always use search to find what you want. Yeah, it's a way of doing things and in the end it would probably work and be lightning fast, but I don't see exactly why you would do this. My Spotlight in OS X could do this, as well as your new instant Search from Vista or something, but for nothing in the world I would want to do this.

The Control Panel in Vista is flawed, as well as the one in 7, please at least admit it. The one in XP was the best. You don't end up with 10 billion opened windows when you're doing something.

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I never said Search was bad and should be avoided, for Christ's sake. And yes it's great the way they did that in OS X, but I'm rarely using it because I know where the things are and it doesn't take 10 clicks to go there. I'm just saying "Because Search is there, is this a reason to mess up the whole system anyway"?

Following your logic, you'd be OK with putting all your files of your hard drive in just ONE folder and always use search to find what you want. Yeah, it's a way of doing things and in the end it would probably work and be lightning fast, but I don't see exactly why you would do this. My Spotlight in OS X could do this, as well as your new instant Search from Vista or something, but for nothing in the world I would want to do this.

The Control Panel in Vista is flawed, as well as the one in 7, please at least admit it. The one in XP was the best. You don't end up with 10 billion opened windows when you're doing something.

I disagree. XP's is a mess compared to how the CP is in Vista and 7. It's laid out better, and is MUCH easier to find what I need with the help of the links under each category.

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The Control Panel in Vista is flawed, as well as the one in 7, please at least admit it. The one in XP was the best. You don't end up with 10 billion opened windows when you're doing something.

There is only one point to really be made here:

It is not made for you. It is made for everyone, and designed to fit the needs of the overwhelming majority.

A new Windows user does not know what each panel does in "classic" mode. "Personalization" could cover hundreds of different things. "Default Programs" is quite obscure as titles go. The new layout in Vista/7 fixes this by making it obvious what exactly each thing does.

Control Panel --> Appearance and Personalization (with multiple options underneath giving you an idea what it does), and clicking through gives you even more detail and options.

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I never said Search was bad and should be avoided, for Christ's sake. And yes it's great the way they did that in OS X, but I'm rarely using it because I know where the things are and it doesn't take 10 clicks to go there. I'm just saying "Because Search is there, is this a reason to mess up the whole system anyway"?

Following your logic, you'd be OK with putting all your files of your hard drive in just ONE folder and always use search to find what you want. Yeah, it's a way of doing things and in the end it would probably work and be lightning fast, but I don't see exactly why you would do this. My Spotlight in OS X could do this, as well as your new instant Search from Vista or something, but for nothing in the world I would want to do this.

The Control Panel in Vista is flawed, as well as the one in 7, please at least admit it. The one in XP was the best. You don't end up with 10 billion opened windows when you're doing something.

What? I never have more than one window (the control panel) open when I use the control panel in vista/7.... And I usually just use the handy search. I want to partition a drive? I'll type partition and click once bam.

It's really nearly the same as the xp on only reorganized a bit and has search, the overall design is similar. I don't get how you would end up with a lot of windows open or how its harder to use in anyway. It's organized into similar categories like xp if you don't use the search as well and I find it no harder to navigate.

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