Please tell me there's a way to fix the shutdown nonsense...


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One thing that threatens everyone in IT is data loss. This helps prevent people from inadvertently losing files that haven't been saved.

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And more detailed info over here

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms700677(VS.85).aspx

http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/w-p/system/sys...rint.php/c12967

This is not a bug or annoyance but actually a feature

That article has nothing to do with any changes in Windows 7, though, so I'm confused. I'll wait till I clean install the RTM/GA build before I complain, but I'm trying to figure out why my version of the RC prompts me with this screen when all of my programs are closed apart from Avast and my gadgets? This never happened to me in Windows Vista.

Does it happen to anybody else?

One thing that threatens everyone in IT is data loss. This helps prevent people from inadvertently losing files that haven't been saved.

Oh definitely :) But if Microsoft have purposely set it so you have to close all your gadgets down manually, then that's a bit far - they should have set it so you only had to close gadgets which needed to have their data saved, if they were going to change anything.

Again, I'm not going to say they definitely have changed it or complain, until I clean install the RTM/GA version but this has happened to me on both the Beta and RC version and it never happened in Windows Vista. It's very annoying so I hope they haven't changed it to behave this way.

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But what I'd like to know is why didn't we have to close our gadgets down before shutting down in Windows Vista? Why do we have to now? Once I have closed all of my programs, I don't expect to have to go into the 'Processes' tab of the task manager just to close down 'sidebar.exe' everytime I shut down my computer. Unless we can just click 'x' on every gadget, but that's still an inconvenience.

I never had to do any of this in Windows Vista. In Vista, I only had this popup when I had an actual program open in the taskbar, not something running in the background like some gadgets.

You never had to do any of this in Windows Vista when you didn't have an application that was not shutting down promptly or properly.

You're establishing that you didn't see it, not that it didn't exist. The "safe shutdown"/save-your-work functionality has been around for a long time. This is not new to Windows 7. :)

Fix: either don't run stuff that doesn't shut down properly or ask the vendor for an updated application that does work properly. The latter is the best choice. :)

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You never had to do any of this in Windows Vista when you didn't have an application that was not shutting down promptly or properly.

You're establishing that you didn't see it, not that it didn't exist. The "safe shutdown"/save-your-work functionality has been around for a long time. This is not new to Windows 7. :)

Fix: either don't run stuff that doesn't shut down properly or ask the vendor for an updated application that does work properly. The latter is the best choice. :)

Thanks for the reply :)

I'm fully aware that this functionality was in Windows Vista and I saw it a few times, for example when I left an unsaved Word document open. I find it a very useful feature as it's saved me a few times ;)

What I meant was that it comes up every time I try to shut down Windows 7 now and judging by the message, it appears to be because of a few of the gadgets I have running on my desktop. It didn't happen this way in Windows Vista, although I am using different gadgets now and only one is an official Microsoft one.

Thank you for the fix ;) I understand now that it could be the way the application is developed, but I'm wondering if that extends to gadgets as well? Could poorly written gadgets stop it from shutting down like this or have Microsoft changed anything to cause certain gadgets to hold up the shutting down process in this way?

I appreciate the reply, by the way, Zach :)

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Any badly behaving application can do all sorts of nasty things. I'm running better(?) gadgets that don't have this problem, but it's typically possible for anything to do most anything. Without a specific example, it's hard to debug. ;)

If it happens "every time" and you feel it's gadget based, it would appear to be relatively easy to isolate out an exact gadget that's having problems as opposed to hoping that other people's psychic power will lead them to guess at it correctly. Abstract black box discussions are easier if you at least name the problem causing application. :)

np - it's a fun and interesting field. This is just how Windows responds to nonresponsive apps during the shutdown process.

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Any badly behaving application can do all sorts of nasty things. I'm running better(?) gadgets that don't have this problem, but it's typically possible for anything to do most anything. Without a specific example, it's hard to debug. ;)

If it happens "every time" and you feel it's gadget based, it would appear to be relatively easy to isolate out an exact gadget that's having problems as opposed to hoping that other people's psychic power will lead them to guess at it correctly. Abstract black box discussions are easier if you at least name the problem causing application. :)

np - it's a fun and interesting field. This is just how Windows responds to nonresponsive apps during the shutdown process.

Haha, you're right! I really should have tested this myself to narrow the problem down and see which gadget (if it's not another program running in the background) is causing the problem. It was very silly of me, to not think of that, to be honest :p

I appreciate your help and advice and I will narrow down which application/gadget is causing the problem. I'll contact the developer of the application to see if they could possibly update it :)

Thanks again.

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For future reference, just for people who are curious.

If you really want to do a force shutdown. You can simply make a shortcut directed at the shutdown.exe file and use the /f option to force it to shutdown, even if programs are open.

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Oh, and I should note; if you believe it's better that way...that's fine.

But I'm not interested in your opinion. I just wanna find a way to turn that nonsense off.

That is all.

Stop posting on a public discussion forum then if your not interested in opinions!

If your going to continue being a member of Neowin then i suggest you work on your manners or you will find that no one will want to help you at all, Yes you may have not like what the system was doing but surely gaining a greater knowledge of why it does this is beneficial in your understanding of how to prevent it?

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Doesnt it time out and proceed with the shut down anyway? Although I think sometimes it doesnt time-out for me and stays like that forever. I'm actually kinda against a one click instant shutdown. There should be a one minute timer just in case, but after that, it really should just shut down.

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sometimes its annoying as some have said, it stays there forever. ie: if you are on your laptop you press shutdown and you close the lid... thing doesnt shut down on trivial things like maybe paint or windows explorer.

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I used to face this problem when i used Sound scheme other than default like Ultimate Extra glass or pearl. This is a bug in Windows when i found other users facing same problem

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cf...&forumid=23

I only came to know about what this problem was ...after reading this thread and doing some research. Its not a 3rd party app/gadget issue but some problem related to OS

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Stop posting on a public discussion forum then if your not interested in opinions!

If your going to continue being a member of Neowin then i suggest you work on your manners or you will find that no one will want to help you at all, Yes you may have not like what the system was doing but surely gaining a greater knowledge of why it does this is beneficial in your understanding of how to prevent it?

+1

every post I see with Rickkins' name on it I tend to ignore as inflamatory, ill-informed rubbish.

Just my 2cents

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Yeah, as a few people have illuded to, it only occurs when programs don't respond to the 'shutdown' signal (basically calls Application.Exit or equivilent) by closing. i.e. they capture the event and give you a dialog, or plain don't respond.

Then, this is much better than automatically terminating apps willy-nilly.

You could use a

shutdown /s /t 1

to do a force shutdown and make a shortcut to it on your desktop.

As for the actual button there are applications floating round on the internet that let you change what happens when the power buttons are pressed, get one of those and set it to that shortcut, and voilla. You have an instant shutdown that will sooner or later break something :D

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Stop posting on a public discussion forum then if your not interested in opinions!

I most certainly will not.

I post mainly looking for solutions for things I do not like....not for opinions from people who like that which I do not. If I don't like something. why on God's green earth would I care that someone else does like it..?? Plus, having experienced the fanboi onslaught more that once, here I sought to nip it in the bud. And if that offends you, perhaps you otta stop reading my posts...

Oh, and as it happens, I did solve my dilemma...which you might know if ya had read further than the first post.

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But I'm not interested in your opinion. I just wanna find a way to turn that nonsense off.

That is all.

I think that you meant:

But I'm not interested in your opinion, that it's better that way, as I just want to find a way to turn that nonsense off.

The statement: "But I'm not interested in your opinion" (full stop), can be interpreted many ways.

Not sure, but it just sounds a little poorly written. And that's my opinion :D

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For future reference, just for people who are curious.

If you really want to do a force shutdown. You can simply make a shortcut directed at the shutdown.exe file and use the /f option to force it to shutdown, even if programs are open.

(Y) I've added shortcuts to all our shared Vista pc's at work for this, saves alot of time when logging in and out or shutting down fast.

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Or you can just set Power options to automatically shutdown on a brief computer power button press

I find that even easier, just press the on\off button briefly, and Windows (forces) shutdown normally

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I think that you meant:

But I'm not interested in your opinion, that it's better that way, as I just want to find a way to turn that nonsense off.

The statement: "But I'm not interested in your opinion" (full stop), can be interpreted many ways.

Not sure, but it just sounds a little poorly written. And that's my opinion :D

Maybe it could have been better written, I'll concede that.

On the other hand, there are some, and I may even be guilty of it sometimes, who chime in that the way something is fabulous and any other preference is moronic...and that is what I was hoping to weed out ahead of time...

The best of those was, and this one still amazes me, was when I was trying to find out how to return the "show desktop" to it's previous position....one fanboi chimed in "it's great where it is now...I can just fly my mouse over to the corner and bam, there it is..." (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist)

After a few posts like that, the urge to filter that crap out ahead of time becomes irresistible..)

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I understand that and your point

I also see that some decide to jump on a tiny (and big) mistake made by any posters here

It is very easy for someone, or even you, to dictate to others what is required or correct.

My philosophy is to trust that you will not receive any posts that are not in your liking, but if you do, just to say thanks (as they did post) but I am not concerned about this (or something like that)

Best to write as neutral as possible, and hope to receive the best response back

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Oh, and as it happens, I did solve my dilemma...which you might know if ya had read further than the first post.

Yep i saw that you'd solved the issue but that didn't make me think that your opening post was any less rude.

Yes you may have come here searching answers to particular problems, and i will do my best to answer you if i know the solution, but you have to remember that this is a community forum where discussions take place whether you like it or not. If you make use of this forum then please have more manners and be courteous to the other users.

It's better to ignore comments that are no use to you than to insult the poster or be rude in general.

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I used to face this problem when i used Sound scheme other than default like Ultimate Extra glass or pearl. This is a bug in Windows when i found other users facing same problem

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cf...&forumid=23

I only came to know about what this problem was ...after reading this thread and doing some research. Its not a 3rd party app/gadget issue but some problem related to OS

Kinda 'Vista only' although you could really do that anywhere - change the Shutdown sound if that's your particular issue. :)

I believe there's actually a 'short' version of the shutdown sounds anyways... ?

(Y) I've added shortcuts to all our shared Vista pc's at work for this, saves alot of time when logging in and out or shutting down fast.
I don't think I would use a "kill" shutdown at a workplace just because I would be afraid of incidental data loss. But to each their own. :)
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