+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 4, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted June 4, 2009 Xbox boss Shane Kim has told Venturebeat that Xbox 360 will be on the market until 2015. "We firmly believe that the Xbox 360 has a life cycle through 2015 (10 years after the launch)," he said, talking at E3 this week. "Project Natal is a great innovation. It will work with every Xbox 360 sold. It's not about pushing more pixels on the screen. It's about how to break down barriers that stop people from playing games." Looks as though Ubisoft's developing games for machines that don't exist. We linked to that interview yesterday, but do read it if you haven't yet. Source: http://www.vg247.com/2009/06/04/kim-xbox-3...year-life-span/ Good to see the optimism, regardless of what all of you argue I find it encouraging and good to hear companies talk about lengthy support. I have no doubts the 360 will still be around in 2015. The only console I have fears of lasting that long is the Wii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Oh god no, not more of this set cycle crap and why does he look like a stoner in that picture? Release new console kthx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remysaus Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I like this, it would make the next generation so much more better, giant leaps, at least graphically. And looking at some of the games being released there's still a lot to get out of the hardware I think, just look at Forza 3 for example and you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMELTN Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 YAY I just bought a 360 this year, so at least now I know I won't have to upgrade anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 4, 2009 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 4, 2009 Before anyone mixes it up life cycle and time to new console, they are different things. All this is saying is the 360 is aimed to be supported for 10 years, not that a new piece of hardware won't come along till 2015. I cannot understand how anyone would see that as a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_c_b Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Yes, new consoles now cost too much to develop and launch not to try and sustain them. I thnk the 5 year life cycle is done just based on that. And I'd suspect we'll get closer to 7 years before we get new hardware. Unfortunately the massive success of the Wii wil change how fast they push new technology, even though longer term gamers (like us) want more of everything now (I know I do), the broader audience is happy with less so we'll all have to be a bit more patient. Also consider the state of the economy now, talking up new hardwware right now would scare off potential customers, so while i have no doubt MS and Sony have prototypes of their consoles well under way I don't expect to see serious info from either camp until after the 2010 holiday season. I don't care right now as I'm having a good time this generation, but two years from now I'll be ready for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 The longer the better, I say. I really see no need for a new console at any time soon. Either way, I'm sure Microsoft will support the 360 for a long time to come (even with a new console out the doors). I'm just really curious what the next console name will be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted June 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 4, 2009 This is a good thing. I'm glad Microsoft is going to support the Xbox 360 until 2015. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre S. Veteran Posted June 4, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 4, 2009 I hate this situation. Games are still designed to look optimal or near-optimal on 2005 hardware. DX10 has been out for 2 years and no one cares. DX11 will be released soon and no one will care either. Every game looks the same because they all tailor to the exact same hardware with its particular constraints and API. 5 years ago, games were designed for the best available hardware and heavily scaled down for the consoles if needed (think Doom 3 and Half-Life 2). Today, they are designed for old hardware and sometimes slightly upscaled for PC. So the pc gamers are basically waiting for the next-gen consoles to come out for games to take advantage of the most recent PC hardware. So the life cycle of these consoles being extended is sad news; it means less technical progress and more generic-looking graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maash Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 10 year lifespan doesnt mean Xbox 3 wont be released by say 2012, it means that unlike Xbox 1 which stopped being supported after 5 years, Xbox 360 will be supported up until atleast 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 who cares, 2012 - the end of the world as we know it :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutor3k Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I hate this situation. Games are still designed to look optimal or near-optimal on 2005 hardware. DX10 has been out for 2 years and no one cares. DX11 will be released soon and no one will care either. Every game looks the same because they all tailor to the exact same hardware with its particular constraints and API. 5 years ago, games were designed for the best available hardware and heavily scaled down for the consoles if needed (think Doom 3 and Half-Life 2). Today, they are designed for old hardware and sometimes slightly upscaled for PC.So the pc gamers are basically waiting for the next-gen consoles to come out for games to take advantage of the most recent PC hardware. So the life cycle of these consoles being extended is sad news; it means less technical progress and more generic-looking graphics. You know, I have always said that I enjoyed games more back in the past. And by the past I mean Nes, Snes, Sega, Nintendo 64. I stopped buying consoles then. And I think the quality standar is way below now. I don't know why all this hype about graphics, maybe because the people gaming right now are younger than me (I am 23) and they didn't get to play those classic games. I have a cousin that is 18 years old, so he started gaming with the Nintendo 64, and all he cares is graphics. It is sad because gameplay is what a game is all about, being graphics just the envelope, and I agree, graphics add realism and immersion. I think that right now developing companies are done with learning the graphics engines, and are going to start taking care of the gameplay, that's why it IS good that the 360 will be running until 2015. Nintendo understood that (Read the book "The Blue Ocean Strategy"), but took it too far for my taste. I am OK with consoles getting better graphics at each iteration, but I totally disagree and I even hate people that all they care about is graphics. If you want a graphics driven entertainment go and watch a movie, those are realistic graphics ("LOL"), consoles are about being interactive. For the last, if you disagree with me. Go and play GOW, the whole campaing, and then go and play Super Metroid, and you'll know what I mean. That little unkown feeling that you'll experience, that is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I threw this theory out about two years ago that the 360 brand was strong and growing each month; fast forward and the 360 is enjoying great press compared to launch and the RROD fiasco is all but forgotten it would seem (despite suffering it on my launch console this past march). There is no reason to talk next gen, and I feel confident still that MS will simply upgrade the machine to handle the newer challenges the future holds without breaking the machines compatibility across the board. They've done it with HDMI, and Arcades now house a larger internal memory chip. Little things like that make lead me to believe the 360 as a brand and machine are not going anywhere just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutor3k Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 You know, I have always said that I enjoyed games more back in the past. And by the past I mean Nes, Snes, Sega, Nintendo 64.I stopped buying consoles then. And I think the quality standar is way below now. I don't know why all this hype about graphics, maybe because the people gaming right now are younger than me (I am 23) and they didn't get to play those classic games. I have a cousin that is 18 years old, so he started gaming with the Nintendo 64, and all he cares is graphics. It is sad because gameplay is what a game is all about, being graphics just the envelope, and I agree, graphics add realism and immersion. I think that right now developing companies are done with learning the graphics engines, and are going to start taking care of the gameplay, that's why it IS good that the 360 will be running until 2015. Nintendo understood that (Read the book "The Blue Ocean Strategy"), but took it too far for my taste. I am OK with consoles getting better graphics at each iteration, but I totally disagree and I even hate people that all they care about is graphics. If you want a graphics driven entertainment go and watch a movie, those are realistic graphics ("LOL"), consoles are about being interactive. For the last, if you disagree with me. Go and play GOW, the whole campaing, and then go and play Super Metroid, and you'll know what I mean. That little unkown feeling that you'll experience, that is fun. Oh! I forgot to tell, I bought an Xbox 360 2 years ago, and I think things are straightening by now. Even when I think I have thown my money with sports game (FIFA you know). I will be buying a new game soon. So if you got any great recommendation, I would be very thankful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 sorry lutor, but with 5 posts under your belt and this kind of attitude i'm suspecting you don't belong in the gamer's hangout. listen to Dr. Asik and maash, between those two you have the perfect logic in my book. what Kim is saying is just that support will go on for ten years, at least as they see things now. They also confirmed work is ongoing on a new console, whatever that means, and i doubt they'll sit on that design idly for six years. I was hoping for a new machine by late 2010, but no later than 011. By 012 anyone currently posting here will feel the existing consoles are getting long in the tooth. as Asik noted, a major indication of that is the rather samey look of too many games these days. Besides, Kim was also the person who boasted the 360 will outsell the PS brand this generation, and this year we heard nothing of that. Claims are just that - claims. Proof is in the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 ^^^The 360 is outselling the PS3 though (except in Japan, but NA makes up for that sales difference and then some). -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I'm not so sure... Look the PS2, it's only at it's 8th year and graphically it's totally outdated... I don't see Microsoft holding a console with outdated graphics when they hold Windows gamers PCs. As for sales, look again the PS2, it so selling well that it sometime outclass the PS3 in sales numbers... The success of the PS2 may slightly hold down the PS3 deployment. I don't see how it can be good for MSFT in both cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 4, 2009 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 4, 2009 I'm not so sure...Look the PS2, it's only at it's 8th year and graphically it's totally outdated... I don't see Microsoft holding a console with outdated graphics when they hold Windows gamers PCs. As for sales, look again the PS2, it so selling well that it sometime outclass the PS3 in sales numbers... The success of the PS2 may slightly hold down the PS3 deployment. I don't see how it can be good for MSFT in both cases. 9th year for the PS2 actually, it first launched in March 2000. With it's recent price cut and Sony saying there's over 100 titles coming for it this year it'll make March 2010 fine. Heck last month on the NPDs it outsold the PS3 and was only 2,000 units off the 360. As long as you keep pumping out software support and are wise about pricing you'll go for a long time, the PS2 just hitting 99$ after 9 years. Not to mention look at the online components of these consoles, the PS2 barely has online at all, the future will all be about online and connectivity, our current consoles have that and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I hate this situation. Games are still designed to look optimal or near-optimal on 2005 hardware. DX10 has been out for 2 years and no one cares. DX11 will be released soon and no one will care either. Every game looks the same because they all tailor to the exact same hardware with its particular constraints and API. 5 years ago, games were designed for the best available hardware and heavily scaled down for the consoles if needed (think Doom 3 and Half-Life 2). Today, they are designed for old hardware and sometimes slightly upscaled for PC.So the pc gamers are basically waiting for the next-gen consoles to come out for games to take advantage of the most recent PC hardware. So the life cycle of these consoles being extended is sad news; it means less technical progress and more generic-looking graphics. Not really, it actually means a bigger technical progress. PC games have been for the most part coded "brute force" style. Whenever a new game comes out that looks better, you either have to buy new hardware or experience a slower frame rate. That doesn't happen on a console. There's innovation, programmers are constantly trying to solve bottlenecks just to get that extra frame. As an example, take a look at Forza 3, much better looking than the previous one, same hardware. I like to feel that my hardware is running optimally, not at 60% like many lazy PC developers have been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJediMedia Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Graphics are still Great. CPU is enough! + Project Natal... Can it be better? I don't know, are PC games graphics much better than graphics on Xbox360 now? When that's the case, then Xbox definitely need to worry, but... We really DON'T need a NEW console, unless everything can be MUCH Better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealexweb Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 But it'll look rubbish compared to a cheap PC by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJediMedia Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 But it'll look rubbish compared to a cheap PC by then. Is PC much better NOW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 But it'll look rubbish compared to a cheap PC by then. Ok, but most people who buy console's in fact don't also game on their PC's, so that's a nonissue for them. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo003 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 When they came out with 360 and PS3 they were beyond anything on the market and still it (Console wise). Getting pc to the point where it can run as good as consoles are will probable empty you bank. So It?s a good guess that 360 and PS3 are here to stay for a while, and besides for 2015 we still have 6 years left and none of the console's games have yet to reach the breaking point yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 This is great news. I would be slow to buy another xbox console if they brought one out soon after the 360. They simply couldn't afford to keep the original xbox on the market - fair enough, but if they tried cutting the 360's life short i would call foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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