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I just read a story on Neowins front page talking about gamers boycotting LFD2 because its being released only 7 months after the first. I just wanted to point out that Valve does not support their games nor the gamers that purchase them.

The Half Life series is an amazing series of games & I'm sure most of you agree. Portal is another example of their proficiency of making unique games. During this years E3 we were only given LFD2 to whet our teeth on, what happened to the rest of the HL series? When are they going to upgrade CS Source to the new source2 engine they released with TF2? The only thing they update is TF2.

Another gripe I have is their Steam platform... why all the stupid games?!?!? It seems to me that Valve would rather focus on making money from steam than continuing making great games. Also, I believe when you purchase something from an online retailer, i.e. Steam, you would think they would offer telephone support to their customers...NOPE! You have to go on to a forum and hope you get a reply from someone & even then they reply what is obviously just a cut and paste response.

This thread is just meant to point out some of these flaws & as gamers I don't think this is right. I think these big companies need to come back down to earth and make quality games and support those games by other means than posting on a forum...it's called professionalism.

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... Right.

Not touching this topic, though I just feel I should point out that Valve did NOT make Portal, they just published it.

Yes they did, the idea behind portal wasn't theirs but they did develop the game.

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Not touching this topic, though I just feel I should point out that Valve did NOT make Portal, they just published it.

That's right..wasn't is a mod made from someone in the community using the source engine? I remember seeing a video of someone using the portal gun in the actualy HL2 game and it working.

It's a shame you wont touch this topic though, I'm just expressing myself in a non flamatory way. Don't be skrd.

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Valve brought the dev team in house from what i can remember, Portal is based on a game called Narbacular Drop.

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It doesn't annoy me that they want me to pay again. It annoys me that I purchased the original knowing it lacked content as Gabe the CEO of the company promised new weapons, characters and campaigns. So far we have received none of those things and yet all of them are included in the sequel.

I would never have paid ?39 for the original if it was only ever going to include the same content that it shipped with. ?19.99 yes but not ?39. I feel personally that Valve has seriously dropped the ball on this one. I won't be buying Left 4 Dead 2 until it hits a bargain bin. Simple as that.

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That's right..wasn't is a mod made from someone in the community using the source engine? I remember seeing a video of someone using the portal gun in the actualy HL2 game and it working.

It's a shame you wont touch this topic though, I'm just expressing myself in a non flamatory way. Don't be skrd.

I'll just say I agree with all your points and more. The Steam client is a horrible, flaming pile of garbage and they should be ashamed of how bad it is.

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That's right..wasn't is a mod made from someone in the community using the source engine? I remember seeing a video of someone using the portal gun in the actualy HL2 game and it working.

No. Do some bloody research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(video_game)

The mods are unrelated to Portal, but are inspired by the same gameplay style.

Additionally, your sense of entitlement is absurd. Update CS:S to the latest version of the source engine? What planet do you live on? They still patch it, of course. But revamp the engine, for no apparent reason? Jebus...

And finally, the idea that "Valve does not support their games nor the gamers that purchase them"? Utterly ****ing ridiculous.

The Steam client is a horrible, flaming pile of garbage and they should be ashamed of how bad it is.

Why, exactly?

I wouldn't call hiring the people who made the original, then just tellign them to go at it, is really considered valve developing the game

What on earth do you think companies do? Magically appear out of nowhere? Companies hire people to do work. Companies hire people with ideas. This is normal.

Yes, I'm angry. It ****es me off when people mouth off without doing any sorts of basic research, using their common sense, or even giving actual reasons for their opinions.

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I wouldn't call hiring the people who made the original, then just tellign them to go at it, is really considered valve developing the game

Valve hires the developers and they become Valve employees, they release games under the Valve name ... Then it's obviously a Valve game, no matter where these developers came from. Yet the idea was conjured before they were flying the Valve flag, so the idea wasn't originally a 'Valve' idea - Simple.

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Why, exactly?

It's slow, buggy, crash-tastic, and I can't play some games I paid for because their system says I don't own them. Valve has been horrible at dealing with these issues. Steam's been out for a long time now, you would think it would have improved.

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If you dont appreciate LFD2 then dont purchase it. No one is forcing you to after all.

As for Ep3, just be patient.

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Valve hires the developers and they become Valve employees, they release games under the Valve name ... Then it's obviously a Valve game, no matter where these developers came from. Yet the idea was conjured before they were flying the Valve flag, so the idea wasn't originally a 'Valve' idea - Simple.

yes, "technically" valve developed it. I just think it's wrong to call it that when they didn't do any developing. NONE of the original valve staff did any development.

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If you dont appreciate LFD2 then dont purchase it. No one is forcing you to after all.

I think the anger is not so much that Left 4 Dead 2 is coming out and costs money but that the first game was purchased by many gamers with expectations of frequent free updates. And these were not assumptions by the community, these were facts given by the developers of the game and the publishing company (Valve).

Left 4 Dead lacks a lot of content. Content that was promised and given as the reasoning behind its high launch price. We expecting Valve to keep there word paid the high prices and received a buggy game that still feels unfinished.

And I also just want to add that the sequel feels more like an Expansion on to the first game. (New Textures on Weapons, New Character Models, New Campaigns). Then it does a real comprehensive sequel.

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It's slow, buggy, crash-tastic, and I can't play some games I paid for because their system says I don't own them. Valve has been horrible at dealing with these issues. Steam's been out for a long time now, you would think it would have improved.

To be perfectly honest, you're in a tiny minority. I've never even heard of the issue with it thinking you don't own certain games. Is this a new issue?

Note, I've been a Steam user since it was in beta, pre-HL2. I have not had issues. This is, of course, anecdotal evidence, but it has been pretty much rock-solid and fantastic for myself.

yes, "technically" valve developed it. I just think it's wrong to call it that when they didn't do any developing. NONE of the original valve staff did any development.

Sorry, you know this how?

I fear you have no idea how Valve develops their games.

I think the anger is not so much that Left 4 Dead 2 is coming out and costs money but that the first game was purchased by many gamers with expectations of frequent free updates. And these were not assumptions by the community, these were facts given by the developers of the game and the publishing company (Valve).

Left 4 Dead lacks a lot of content. Content that was promised and given as the reasoning behind its high launch price. We expecting Valve to keep there word paid the high prices and received a buggy game that still feels unfinished.

What content does it "lack"?

And you have been getting updates. I speak as an owner of L4D. We have been getting updates.

And expansions are pretty much never larger than the original game.

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As for Ep3, just be patient.

Ohh yes EP3! I cant wait to play a 2 hour long game I've waited two years for. Yet TF2 gets several major updates in the span of a year. I hope they make a full on HL3 rather than an EP3 or at least show some love to CS Source due to the tremendous community playing the game.

All I'm saying is that Valve needs to take their head out of their asses.

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yes, "technically" valve developed it. I just think it's wrong to call it that when they didn't do any developing. NONE of the original valve staff did any development.

Exactly the point, 'technically developed it' and that's all that counts, they are now Valve employees, they were developing the game off Valve funding and there you have it a Valve game. Of course you can argue all those points, not a proper Valve In-house Valve game, isn't right for Valve to take credit etc. etc. fine by me but no matter how you twist, turn and shake it, it's a Valve game.

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It's slow, buggy, crash-tastic, and I can't play some games I paid for because their system says I don't own them. Valve has been horrible at dealing with these issues. Steam's been out for a long time now, you would think it would have improved.

what steam is great even on my ****ty computers, seriously i play l4d and tf2 on an laptop with integrated graphics and i have steam on my comp with an one core 1.6 laptop(yeah i got two laptops)

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What content does it "lack"?

And you have been getting updates. I speak as an owner of L4D. We have been getting updates.

And expansions are pretty much never larger than the original game.

It lacks new Campaigns. It ships with 4. The only tangible updates we have received:

New Survivor Mode. Which should have been included in the game from day 1.

Two new Versus Maps which are just the Campaigns maps we had from the start modified for Versus.

And it took them 8 months to ship those two additions. In the mean time they have been obviously concentrating all their effort on this sequel. As I say again we were PROMISED by the CEO of Valve: 10 New Guns, New Campaigns, New Characters. And it has become very clear that when he promised these free updates he was receiving this information from Turtlerock studios and that they decided to instead not releases these updates for free and use them to sell a Sequel.

This was not what we were promised at all.

And about your comment:

And expansions are pretty much never larger than the original game.

What part of Left 4 Dead 2 says to you that its bigger then the original? It contains 5 Campaigns and 10 weapons and some character models. That to me says Expansion not a re-invention of the game. IGN sums it up quite well: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/47860/Le...nds-On-Preview/

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I fear you have no idea how Valve develops their games.

Not to be rude, but do you believe us to expect that you do because you link to a wikipedia definition?

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Ohh yes EP3! I cant wait to play a 2 hour long game I've waited two years for. Yet TF2 gets several major updates in the span of a year. I hope they make a full on HL3 rather than an EP3 or at least show some love to CS Source due to the tremendous community playing the game.

All I'm saying is that Valve needs to take their head out of their asses.

This is why having these conversations is stupid and makes people angry.

You know NOTHING about what Episode 3 will be like, it's length, it's quality. Yes somehow you feel qualified to make pronouncements about it?

Why should CS:S get more updates? What further updates were you promised? It's a five year old game, and it's had plenty of patches over the years.

Where did you get this sense of entitlement? Are you merely extrapolating from TF2 and imagining this should apply to everything, forever?

What part of Left 4 Dead 2 says to you that its bigger then the original? It contains 5 Campaigns and 10 weapons and some character models. That to me says Expansion not a re-invention of the game. Rock Paper Shotgun sums it up quite well: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/06/01...ve-rps-preview/

Er, so ... yes? It's larger than the original? That's pretty much the definition of larger. It's larger.

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Not to be rude, but do you believe us to expect that you do because you link to a wikipedia definition?

Having been a member of the HL2 community for many years, and having read many articles about Valve and how they develop stuff ... yes.

But I'm not the one pretending to know how exactly Valve works. You are. You should be the one providing proof that when a company hires people, they work alone, away from everyone else. Pretty unlikely, eh?

Especially when you consider Portal is in the same universe as HL2. You'd think that might cause some crossover, eh?

But hey, logic doesn't seem to be doing well in this thread.

*takes some deep breaths*

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Er, so ... yes? It's larger than the original? That's pretty much the definition of larger. It's larger.

Sorry I posted the wrong review. I meant to include IGN and edited my post to reflect that.

Also this SHOULD be an expansion. I would pay ?20 for it. You know how much this game is going to cost? According to Valve $60 USD. Are you prepared to pay $60 USD for a sequel that offers just a pittance of extra campaigns compared to the original, I sure am not. And by the looks of the Steam Forums neither is the majority of gamers there. It is lit up like a christmas tree over there moderators locking threads left right and centre...

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Sorry I posted the wrong review. I meant to include IGN and edited my post to reflect that.

Also this SHOULD be an expansion. I would pay ?20 for it. You know how much this game is going to cost? According to Valve $60 USD. Are you prepared to pay $60 USD for a sequel that offers just a pittance of extra campaigns compared to the original, I sure am not. And by the looks of the Steam Forums neither is the majority of gamers there. It is lit up like a christmas tree over there moderators locking threads left right and centre...

So I'm confused. You expect to pay expansion prices for a larger game than the original game? More campaigns, more weapons, more enemy types, more game modes, overhauled AI, more varied gameplay ... for the price of an expansion. That doesn't sounds reasonable to me.

The Steam forums have never had a good reputation for intelligent discourse, like many official boards - just look at the World of Warcraft boards.

Both get a large share of whiny, selfish, immature people with entitlement issues. While it sounds like an ad hominem, it is, unfortunately, just true. A lot of people, especially teenagers, go to forums to whine and ask for free stuff.

Damn right they're locking threads. It's their job, and they're doing it. Forums are not representative of the wider population.

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