Samn9 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 If you want to 'boycott' them (yea, you won't buy L4D2, but you'll come crawling back when ep3 comes out) then fine, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously. The reasons you've given are hardly enough to need to boycott or campaign against a corporation, generally it's only worth doing if they're causing the deaths or starvation of african children or polluting rivers and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPCHell Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Wait a sec. LFD2 is already out? Cause I could have sworn that it was just announced and wouldn't be out for another 5-6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammers Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 "ohhhh its not fair their making a new game" "ooohh i'm gonna choose to miss out on no doubt amazing games because this huge company isn't doing what I want" Valve can do whatever the **** they want, Nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted June 5, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 5, 2009 Wait a sec. LFD2 is already out? Cause I could have sworn that it was just announced and wouldn't be out for another 5-6 months. 17th November if I remember. I can see why some people are angry, but there's no reason to boycott Valve. It's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted June 5, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 5, 2009 Left 4 Dead 2 is still in early development. It's way too early to say that it's merely an updated Left 4 Dead. And speaking of Left 4 Dead, Valve won't leave us in the dark. The game will be supported via Team Fortress 2-esque updates. I'm talking new maps, weapons, and maybe even new infected. I read an interview with a Valve developer but I can't seem to find it at the moment. I'll post back when I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I just read a story on Neowins front page talking about gamers boycotting LFD2 because its being released only 7 months after the first. I just wanted to point out that Valve does not support their games nor the gamers that purchase them. 7 Months? It was announced 7 months after, it'll only come out 1 year later, like many games do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I havent read all 6 pages of the thread, but didn't Valve to a sercret briefing for the media? I remember a company was going to, not sure if it was Valve or not - someone asked if there would be a stream or not :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Wait a sec. LFD2 is already out? Cause I could have sworn that it was just announced and wouldn't be out for another 5-6 months. Few have noticed that it seems... it wouldn't exactly be free we paid a hefty price for an incomplete game i guess they need to make money but still would of been nice if they just upgraded the left 4 dead with the content that we should have been given to start with hell even just the new guns i don't care for the rest The first game wasn't incomplete, you just wanted more. the problem is people bought it with intentions of more being added which never happened (more content not more modes)it would of been nice to play with extra guns but after paying full price pre-ordering the game i can't justify buying the same game again for a few more guns and creeps People meaning you, right? Needless to say it won't be the same game at all, you've got new characters, new maps and new weapons. Just because the premise is the same doesn't make it the same game. If it did, then every game sequel would be "the same game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted June 5, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 5, 2009 We were promised new weapons, maps, and infected for Left 4 Dead in the months after its release. What did we get? Survival Mode. I guess they were too busy with the Team Fortress 2 updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDStriker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 The first game wasn't incomplete, you just wanted more. right 4 rather small campaigns with limited guns and full of bugs is a complete game what was that you're smoking again? after a few months they finally decide to add another mode which wasn't that entertaining (mostly due to people abusing it) we basically got a beta program so they could iron out as many bugs possible and then put it all together in a nice bundle and called it l4d2 make one game sell it twice nice job :p People meaning you, right?Needless to say it won't be the same game at all, you've got new characters, new maps and new weapons. Just because the premise is the same doesn't make it the same game. If it did, then every game sequel would be "the same game". Me + many more i take it you havn't read this thread yet and havn't realized there are many like these on various forums thats great if they are not the same game then i hope they will start providing some real content that can be used in l4d like the new weapons we were supposed to get http://www.tacticalgamer.com/left-4-dead/1...oming-soon.html ^ Alot of us have been waiting for this downloadable content for a while we are the ones getting ripped but thats fair enough if you feel you've gotten a complete game congrats to you l4d was the first game i've pre-ordered from steam i'll make sure i don't make that same mistake again in the future :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 To be fair, CS:S isn't getting huge updates because the players don't really want it to be updated (people whine and bitch when Valve do anything new to CS:S, now imagine them updating the engine and maps). DoD:S did get an update, but that was probably only to see how feasible it was to port it, Valve said they were going to port all their older games to the Orange Box engine (which drops DX7 support too, so they'd have to evaluate each game on a case by case basis, if 90% of your players are on DX7 machines it's stupid to drop them) but that hasn't happened so far.Now, Valve's been damn good to the community, so when they say that they wanted it to be an update but couldn't, I'm inclined to agree with them. But I would like them to offer a discount if you're a L4D owner. People will whine and bitch regardless of what you do. You can't win and even if they get it right it won't be enough for some. With CSS theres still people that want it to play like 1.6 (why they don't play 1.6 I don't know). Then theres the TF2 updates which always get complaints, especially the last. And whatever. IMHO Valve should have released a new campaign along with the additional versus maps and I think people would be happy. Hell after this I bet we will get a campaign. While people will still complain at least Valve couldn't hide behind a new map needing gameplay mechanic changes nor would people who don't like that map need to play it. Still, given how L4D plays it'd give them versus, campaign and likely survival content in one hit so it seems a decent compromise to me. I can really live without new guns and characters for the time being. Anyway the notion that Valve don't support their games is pretty ridiculous. HL2 got deathmatch added after release and that was basically made available to everyone, TF2 has had ample updates and so has CSS. DOD:S and Portal both could have had more content easily added but even DOD did get some decent updates. When you think about what other game developers give then Valve is doing pretty well. And no, I'm not considering patchs as updates in there either but rather content packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 right 4 rather small campaigns with limited guns and full of bugs is a complete gamewhat was that you're smoking again? after a few months they finally decide to add another mode which wasn't that entertaining (mostly due to people abusing it) we basically got a beta program so they could iron out as many bugs possible and then put it all together in a nice bundle and called it l4d2 make one game sell it twice nice job :p Me + many more i take it you havn't read this thread yet and havn't realized there are many like these on various forums thats great if they are not the same game then i hope they will start providing some real content that can be used in l4d like the new weapons we were supposed to get http://www.tacticalgamer.com/left-4-dead/1...oming-soon.html ^ Alot of us have been waiting for this downloadable content for a while we are the ones getting ripped but thats fair enough if you feel you've gotten a complete game congrats to you l4d was the first game i've pre-ordered from steam i'll make sure i don't make that same mistake again in the future :laugh: Next time buy the game for what it is, not for what you expect it to be in the future... I've had a blast playing it with my friends, both offline and online, no major bugs. Well worth the 35? I paid. Boycott all you want, I'll gladly buy L4D2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDStriker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Next time buy the game for what it is, not for what you expect it to be in the future...I've had a blast playing it with my friends, both offline and online, no major bugs. Well worth the 35? I paid. Boycott all you want, I'll gladly buy L4D2. thats the problem the game was a bug ridden crappy game it got better but steam didn't add what they said they would and they usually are good to there word so theres no reason to not believe them this time but yeah i agree i hate games that promise dlc because they either fail to deliver or charge to much (ps3 - pain - complete crap) I've had fun with L4D aswell don't get me wrong however i was sort of expecting a bit more then what i paid for i didn't get it so i'll count my losses and leave it at that i'm not exactly going to boycott l4d2 the game has already ran its course and its interest has expired i'll be moving onto other products unless l4d2 goes under some radical changes that makes it completely new and exciting to play again for a few month straight then i'll reconsider and purchase if its just the same scheme with different characters/scenery/weapons but same old environment then i won't i just don't agree with how steam treats its users and i think thats what this thread was all about i remember pre-ordering the game paying around $50 usd then not even a month after its release the game being sold 50% off but anyway to each his ow:):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 7 Months? It was announced 7 months after, it'll only come out 1 year later, like many games do. What games have sequels come out one year later? Don't say Call of Duty -- those weren't really sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungarian Salami Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 My only gripe with Valve is for not updating TF2 for Xbox. Thats why I did not buy L4D, because I was afraid they'll kill the game as they did TF2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leph555 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I guess I will buy L4D2 just because of this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 What games have sequels come out one year later? Don't say Call of Duty -- those weren't really sequels. Fifa, PES, NBA, Madden, Guitar Hero, Rock Band... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Fifa, PES, NBA, Madden, Guitar Hero, Rock Band... Sports games and the cash-grabbing music games? Are those really the examples you want to use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vivicidal- Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Sports games and the cash-grabbing music games? Are those really the examples you want to use? Apparently so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) If you want to boycott Valve, have a proper reason for it; Like them ripping off non-US customers with inflated local prices that have nothing to do with taxation, bandwidth or other costs - merely because they've decided to use regional pricing. Cue various folks telling us how regional pricing works because people are used to paying more and how Valve can do no evil. Edited June 5, 2009 by daPhoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 5, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 5, 2009 Valve say they're still going to be supporting L4D, more content etc. on it's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoauld Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 i think L4D is a cost cause atm, the game is just booring to me every company has its black sheep im very happy with valve, steam, and tf2(the main use of steam for me)...and i do hope they learn from what they've seen with L4D1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Sports games and the cash-grabbing music games? Are those really the examples you want to use? So... I can't mention Music Games, Sports Games nor Call of Duty? It's becoming hard to argue with you making all these rules on the way... :blink: Fact is, many games have yearly sequels. I would mention NFS but you'll probably just include it in your "aside from that one" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I didn't think L4D was bad, but I do think it was overrated. I mean, I get tired of battling the same wave after wave of zombies after a while with a few "bosses" thrown in. It didn't excite me after a while -- it just annoyed me. @ Ricardo Gil: Quit playing dumb. Sports games are changed every year because of the changing aspects of the sports themselevs -- trades, free agents, new stadiums, all-star events, team expansions/moves, etc. And they are also typically sold for less money. Call of Duty games aren't real sequels. World at War was not a sequel to Modern Warfare. If you want an example of that, look at Modern Warfare 2. Music games are just money-grabbing things with hardly any changes. Which is why I said are those really the examples you want to use -- because it's obvious this is just a money-grabbing routine with Left 4 Dead 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Steam a bad client? It's a de facto gaming client. Steam is the best gaming distribution platform that I know of. If they didn't think of their customers, they wouldn't introduce awesome deals with half or quarter of their original prices every other weekend. They wouldn't be still supporting their games. NO other company that I know of, supports their games so well like Valve does. Every Valve FPS has been awesome so far. I have yet to play one that sucked, or didn't get bugs fixed or updates. Try getting that with other publishers/developers. Another great thing about Valve, the games have good graphics and still run. They care about their customers and know what hardware they run them on. They don't just cater to the 1% gaming population with uber computers and give them a crap bag like Crysis which wouldn't even run well for them too. GTA 4 falls in the same category. The support they provide has been awesome for me. It's easy for you guys to get physical copies of games in your countries, it isn't for me as most online stores don't deliver here. But Steam makes that very easy with just a credit card. Almost every popular new game is available on Steam as well. Granted, they aren't physical copies, but they're still a blessing for a large number of people. Hence, the reason why other publishers make their games available via Steam as well. What else would you want more from a Valve? P.S. how do you expect Valve to pay its developers if it keeps giving you major updates for free? I personally was very happy with L4D and it was worth the money I paid for it. I expect L4D 2 be even more awesome since they DO listen to their customers. And I will definitely buy it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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