GTA 4 on this pc?


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Yep. Max settings implies every possible setting is set to its maximum, including the sliders. :p

I guess I misstated my settings then. I'll say that I can play GTA IV in 1080p with everything set to Very High/High and not have any lag problems. I don't recall the default values given to the sliders.

Anyways, you guys lost the main gist of what I am saying. I was trying to provide hard evidence to why I disagree with GTA IV being a bad port. It played flawlessly with a Logitech controller.

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I guess I misstated my settings then. I'll say that I can play GTA IV in 1080p with everything set to Very High/High and not have any lag problems. I don't recall the default values given to the sliders.

Anyways, you guys lost the main gist of what I am saying. I was trying to provide hard evidence to why I disagree with GTA IV being a bad port. It played flawlessly with a Logitech controller.

No matter how you try to turn it, GTA 4 PC IS a BAD PORT. end of the story.

P.S. : and I played it with a 360 pad and I also got the X360 version which is a lot better IMHO.

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i totally agree Kaz GTA IV pc is/was a major let down, and by the looks we wont be getting the DLC nor will we be getting any more patches :(, last time i trust R* with PC titles

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i totally agree Kaz GTA IV pc is/was a major let down, and by the looks we wont be getting the DLC nor will we be getting any more patches :(, last time i trust R* with PC titles

Well, at least it wasn't worse than Bully. I uninstalled Bully because of the awful controls.

All I can say is good luck with that. When I tried it, i only got 15-20fps. That was with 4GB RAM, ATI 4850 and a E6400 OC'd to 3.5GHz.

You must be doing something wrong. I even posted screenshots showing that I got 25 fps during an explosion in downtown Liberty on notebookreview.com forums. I guess the gaming experience varies or you must have maxed out your sliders (mine weren't).

Here's an example of my laptop's predecessor's performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2l0CWa9v94

23+ fps average on medium/high. The P-7811 FX had a 512MB 9800m GTS while I had the 1 GB model. When I set everything to High/Very High, GTA IV stated that it would use up to 900MB of video ram.

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Aye, 30 FPS is really the minimum where you can actually call it playable. Fine, you may settle with such a horrible FPS but don't call it playable.

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In my opinion, anything below 30 FPS limits your gameplay. 30-40 FPS is very playable, and anything above 60 FPS is optimal. I have a decent gaming rig and I get around ~35 FPS in the built-in benchmark. However, I find that my frame rate is all over the place when I actually play the game. I said it before and I'll say it again: GTA IV is a horribly optimized game for the PC. It may have been good on consoles but unfortunately the same can't be said about the PC version. It almost makes Crysis look "normal" on a performance level.

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In my opinion, anything below 30 FPS limits your gameplay. 30-40 FPS is very playable, and anything above 60 FPS is optimal. I have a decent gaming rig and I get around ~35 FPS in the built-in benchmark. However, I find that my frame rate is all over the place when I actually play the game. I said it before and I'll say it again: GTA IV is a horribly optimized game for the PC. It may have been good on consoles but unfortunately the same can't be said about the PC version. It almost makes Crysis look "normal" on a performance level.

i totally agree with you Anaron, you work on the same fps scale as myself lol. i wonder if me new GFX card will improve things when i get it

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GTA IV wasn't optimal on the consoles either. You have the game running at some of the lowest settings with an extremely low resolution, the PS3 didn't even manage 720p. Then remember, the game wasn't even running 30FPS steady, it could be dipping well below 15FPS at times - THEN you have to remember, when you have a controller in your hands, micro-stutters and low FPS isn't as noticeable as with Keyboard & Mouse. Go try it, play GTA IV on the PC with KB/M and then plug in a 360 controller, it somehow feels smoother because the controller isn't as snappy, quick or precise which is really noticeable when you can change direction in a split second with the KB/M.

Not trying to make excuses for the game, it is horribly optimized but I just see too many people thinking this is exclusive to the PC version, both versions aren't very well optimized but the control settings make certain things noticeable.

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FYI, I've run the benchmarking tool of GTA 4 and I got the following Fp/s : 21.36. I've ran the bench using the following settings :

1900*1200

Texture Quality : High

Texture Filtering : Very high

view distance : 100

Depth of Field : 32 ( can't set it higher )

My config :

Packard Bell Ipower GX Q006 :

Intel Core2 Quad Q9000 @ 2.00 Ghz

4 GO

1 TO HDD

9800m GTS 1GO (factory settings. I'll never try o/c this bitch since it's already running supah hot )

Windows Ultimate 64 SP2 with latest drivers for everything :)

So don't tell me evah again that GTA is a good PC port and, btw, Saints Row 2 runs even worse on my rig ...

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So you're trying to max out a demanding game with a below average computer running that isn't even running at optimal temperatures and you think you should be getting a high FPS? Am I getting this right?

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In my opinion, anything below 30 FPS limits your gameplay. 30-40 FPS is very playable, and anything above 60 FPS is optimal. I have a decent gaming rig and I get around ~35 FPS in the built-in benchmark. However, I find that my frame rate is all over the place when I actually play the game. I said it before and I'll say it again: GTA IV is a horribly optimized game for the PC. It may have been good on consoles but unfortunately the same can't be said about the PC version. It almost makes Crysis look "normal" on a performance level.

Compared to GTAIV, Crysis is "optimized".

Also, M series GPUs run hot, unless it is over 100C, I wouldn't worry about it for they were designed for laptops. Just pop a cooling pad.

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So you're trying to max out a demanding game with a below average computer running that isn't even running at optimal temperatures and you think you should be getting a high FPS? Am I getting this right?

So you're calling my laptop a below average computer ? I'm gonna do bad things to you and I suggest you do some research mate ;) My rig may not be a super uber awesome laptop like an Alienware or something like that but it's far from being a below average machine mate ... Are you seeing a lot of quad-core laptops running around ? I don't and even Apple don't have that kind of machine in their arsenal :p

:)

And please, don't call GTA a demanding game. It's just a badly coded/ported one :)

P.S. : I dare you to o/c something in a laptop, it's just searching for its premature failure imho.

P.S. 2 : Crisys runs around 20 fps when maxed out but there's a ton more things happening on screen than GT4 imo.

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i totally agree with you Anaron, you work on the same fps scale as myself lol. i wonder if me new GFX card will improve things when i get it

Haha. I think everyone should adopt that scale. The only exception I can think of is RTS games which look and feel fine at 30 FPS.

GTA IV wasn't optimal on the consoles either. You have the game running at some of the lowest settings with an extremely low resolution, the PS3 didn't even manage 720p. Then remember, the game wasn't even running 30FPS steady, it could be dipping well below 15FPS at times - THEN you have to remember, when you have a controller in your hands, micro-stutters and low FPS isn't as noticeable as with Keyboard & Mouse. Go try it, play GTA IV on the PC with KB/M and then plug in a 360 controller, it somehow feels smoother because the controller isn't as snappy, quick or precise which is really noticeable when you can change direction in a split second with the KB/M.

Not trying to make excuses for the game, it is horribly optimized but I just see too many people thinking this is exclusive to the PC version, both versions aren't very well optimized but the control settings make certain things noticeable.

Ouch. I wasn't aware of that. I figured it ran fine on the X360/PS3. :s

Compared to GTAIV, Crysis is "optimized".

Also, M series GPUs run hot, unless it is over 100C, I wouldn't worry about it for they were designed for laptops. Just pop a cooling pad.

True, but you still don't get high FPS in Crysis. That's why I said it makes Crysis look "normal" or, to put it differently, "standard".

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And please, don't call GTA a demanding game. It's just a badly coded/ported one :)

P.S. : I dare you to o/c something in a laptop, it's just searching for its premature failure imho.

You should dial down the view distance and most probably set the sliders around 50% or so. On your other point, overclocking a laptop is relatively easy. There's a huge overclocking following regarding the Gateway P series ability to swap the processor for an Intel Extreme processor. It takes around 15 min to replace the processor. There are also several guides on how to overclock the laptop too. Anyways, your laptop should be powerful enough to play GTA IV without any problems if you scale back on your sliders.

I think I have to concede on the point that GTA IV is a bad port. I guess I was lucky in my experience playing the game without any problems.

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You should dial down the view distance and most probably set the sliders around 50% or so. On your other point, overclocking a laptop is relatively easy. There's a huge overclocking following regarding the Gateway P series ability to swap the processor for an Intel Extreme processor. It takes around 15 min to replace the processor. There are also several guides on how to overclock the laptop too. Anyways, your laptop should be powerful enough to play GTA IV without any problems if you scale back on your sliders.

I think I have to concede on the point that GTA IV is a bad port. I guess I was lucky in my experience playing the game without any problems.

It was just an informational post. I would not run GTA4 with the settings I used during the benchmark.

I'd love to get some info about replacing my CPU with the Extreme Intel processor.

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It was just an informational post. I would not run GTA4 with the settings I used during the benchmark.

I'd love to get some info about replacing my CPU with the Extreme Intel processor.

Hmm... I don't know anything about your laptop but head over to notebookreview.com's forums and you might find some useful information. I know that my laptop line has a huge following of overclocking enthusiasts.

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Hmm... I don't know anything about your laptop but head over to notebookreview.com's forums and you might find some useful information. I know that my laptop line has a huge following of overclocking enthusiasts.

My laptop is the euro version of the Gateway 7808u FX but it's really hard to find infos and tips ( I already looked @notebookreviews.com and could find anything ) even for the 7808u FX (like changing the processor and stuff like that ), so if you have any specific pointers to provide , you'll make someone really happy.

Edit : I understand why this lappy has a following since it's the best bang for my bucks I ever had with a pc :)

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:laugh: what if you can't run the systemrequirementslab page? ;) :laugh:

EPIC LULZ ! :D

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