omar8 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Since we all know what is coming out in Windows 7 - which isn't actually much other than refinements - what do you predict Windows 8 will be like. First of all, please no stupid predictions like WinFS and what ever else was "promised" with Vista because obviously it isn't going to be put into Windows 8 if it didn't make the cut for Windows Vista. My predictions include: Windows 8 will still be based on the NT kernel - no midori. Windows will remove the current registry with a new split registry (similar to Linux and OS X) meaning that the registry will no longer get filled with junk as each application will get it's own "registry" which can be deleted separately and not affect the rest of the machine. Windows 8 will be far less backwards compatible but this will be solved by a solution similar to XPM. A new NTFS which will have better support for SSDs. Similar interface to current Windows 7 but with tweaks to aero. Speed will probably stay the same due to less emphasis on backwards compatibility which will improve the speed but an increase in visual effects, error checking etc. I think visually it will look very similar but will have huge changes under the hood similar to the XP -> Vista transition. What do you guys predict. The main competitor for Windows 8 in my opinion will be Linux since it seems to be the OS which is progressing at the fastest rate at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted June 9, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted June 9, 2009 Well, I came here with an open mind, then read your opening gambit. The part about "Seven" being nothing more than refinements was the initial concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar8 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 Well, I didn't mean it as a bad thing, just saying that Windows 7 is like a small upgrade, taking the current code base and improving it, while XP->Vista, was much more of a rewrite, with a new file structure, new driver model etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Windows 7 already have great SSD support ---- on the side note Windows 8 would be x86-64 exclusive , 32bit edition would be dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun N. Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 This thread is laughable, 7 isn't even out yet and you want to predict 8? As the OP said "Windows 7 - which isn't actually much other than refinements" then I think the thread ends here. Windows 8 would be x86-64 exclusive , 32bit edition would be dropped - Errm confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I think Microsoft will explore an entirely new desktop metaphor, shedding the Start menu and taskbar, which are designed to be manipulated by mice and keyboards. It's clear that the future desktop metaphors will be based much more on cloud computing and touch, and I imagine Microsoft will probably use its Surface table as a basis for future Windows development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 - Errm confused x86-64 is the 64bit we all have. It are basically x64 processors that also support x86 commands so you can run applications side-by-side without a slowdown because of virtualisation. (x86-64 = AMD64) Then there's true 64bit (Intel Itanium, very rare + server only) and it does not support x86 commands, which means they will have to run virtualized = major slowdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun N. Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Cheers Ambroos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Now replying to this thread: I'd like to see something revolutionary new. Windows with a desktop mode and an online mode. Desktop mode would be more or less like Windows 7 is now. You install apps, blabla, it stays on that pc. Then there's the new thing. Online mode. With all web apps and synchronization coming up I see this as a serious plus for the future. Imagine Windows offering some new integration service, where all pc's you are logged on with your personal ID actually look, feel and work the same. They could use domain-based signins (like ambroos:windows.net or ambroos:google.com) to allow multiple Desktop providers. So, your desktop account contains a lot of stuff. Things like your documents (mesh-style), your preferred browser, application preferences, ... So imagine. I log on onto my Windows PC with ambroos:windows.net. My account details get pulled from the windows.net server. My desktop is loaded, I see my personal Aero Glass color, wallpaper, cursors, sounds, just the whole theme pack I have on my windows.net account is loaded. In the taskbar I see all my applications, for example IE or Word or Firefox or Whatever you have installed on your account. A small progress bar next to the icon shows when the application will be ready for use. Applications that are too big to be downloaded will ask for the disc/your usb stick when you open them. Your preferences, savefiles for games, documents, settings, everything will be stored on the Windows.net server. Applications that don't support the new application models can still be installed in the Offline desktop. Many applications like Word (which will also have a (free?) online version in 2010) can be ran as a web application to speed up the launching process, if you want the full version (and the license is added to your account) the full version is downloaded and automatically activated and everything, but only for your single account when you are logged on. I don't think there'd have to be many changes to current applications to support the new model, and some things like all Adobe Air applications already support this kind of behaviour in a way. Your documents would be synched with a mesh-like solution, and I'm sure there are possibilities (maybe through a special driver/FS) to make files only get downloaded when actually needed. It might be hard to understand what I'm saying, but just imagine everything you want, everything you're used to, everything you love available from any pc with Windows in the world... (ps: this also offers a great solution for piracy etc, as your applications will be account-linked!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDEAN Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Another forum troll, posting a worthless post. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eevo Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 windows 8 would be x86-64 exclusive , 32bit edition would be dropped i agree. x86 is at the end of its lifetime. having said that my pc is still x86 My predictions include: Windows 8 will still be based on the NT kernel - no midori. Windows 8 will be far less backwards compatible but this will be solved by a solution similar to XPM. i agree but if their not going to make it backwards compatable, why keep running nt kernal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crankenstein.exe Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 windows 7 a "refinement!??" 7 is as different from vista as vista was from xp... you must be one of those apple fans ;) as far as 8 goes.. i wouldn't mind seeing a floating taskbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted June 12, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2009 Sounds like we want to break compatibility for the sake of breaking compatibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyb Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't see any point in this thread at all, why even compile a list of predictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpiom Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't know why people are actually posting useless posts but whatever... I will not do the same. MS are either too lazy or to incompetent to find a new system for their Hard drives so they will continue to crash and take down the system. The NTFS one is outdated but it will be updated (hopefully in Win8). We will see more useless MS typical products, restricted to windows machines and requires a live ID. Hmm, what more? The registry system will remain the same, and it will require the same security applications you use now and perhaps the same error messages. Maybe we will see some Linux features, like multiple desktops and so on. Windows is slowly falling behind in the development... Don't expect anything major! If we get something major it will be untested and stupid so people will go back to their old system and give critics and in Win9 we will get the "major thing" that we wanted how it to work. Win7 is basically the tested and complete version of Vista. That's how they (MS) work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted June 12, 2009 Supervisor Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't know why people are actually posting useless posts but whatever... I will not do the same.MS are either too lazy or to incompetent to find a new system for their Hard drives so they will continue to crash and take down the system. The NTFS one is outdated but it will be updated (hopefully in Win8). Yes, hard drives occasionally go bad and, gee golly, take down the entire system when they do. How unfortunate that Microsoft can't do anything about it, since they don't make any hard drives, they only write the software. You've managed to remain ignorant that just like ext has had new version releases, i.e. ext3 > ext4, NTFS has also undergone revisions? NTFS isn't outdated, just like microwaves, lightbulbs, and the ext filesystem are not outdated. The name is old, but changes and refinements continue to be made, making NTFS more stable and more useful. We will see more useless MS typical products, restricted to windows machines and requires a live ID. Hmm, what more? You seem to have also remained ignorant of something called Microsoft Office for Mac. Yes, the majority of Microsoft software is meant to run on Windows, just like the vast majority of Linux software only runs on Linux, or how Apple software like iLife and iWork will only run on Mac OS. You don't need a LiveID to run most software. Nice try, placing all Microsoft products under the category of "useless", but you haven't backed up that claim. You could try and squirm out of your nasty, trolling generalizations by saying that it is your personal opinion however. Might be worth a shot. The registry system will remain the same, and it will require the same security applications you use now and perhaps the same error messages. The registry system continues to evolve across each edition of Windows, so I don't quite understand how you've drawn the conclusion that it won't change between 7 and 8. Seems like flawed logic, but perhaps you'd like to explain further. The registry does not require any security applications to work. The registry does not require any error messages to work. Good god, have you ever actually used a computer? Maybe we will see some Linux features, like multiple desktops and so on. Windows is slowly falling behind in the development... Don't expect anything major! If we get something major it will be untested and stupid so people will go back to their old system and give critics and in Win9 we will get the "major thing" that we wanted how it to work. Windows has third-party addons that enable Multiple Desktops. Can you elaborate on how exactly Windows is falling behind on development? Do you see major changes as a favorable thing, and if so, why? It seems that Microsoft development does evolution and refinement quite well - it is visible in the jump between Vista and 7, how features such as Search, tagging, Aero Glass, and Alt-Tab have been improved. The Superbar might be seen by many as a large new feature, and in fact, many people have trouble adapting to large changes. Why do you think that if a major change happens that it will be "untested and stupid"? Do you not know about Tech Preview, Alpha/Beta, and public RC tests that Microsoft releases so that people can try features and give feedback? I don't understand the basis for your claim that things are untested. Win7 is basically the tested and complete version of Vista. That's how they (MS) work. And at last, a final concluding remark of a rant poorly hidden as some sort of argument. I'm not sure if you've actually made any arguments in this post, just claims. Why do you think your statements hold any value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelli Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't know why people are actually posting useless posts but whatever... I will not do the same.MS are either too lazy or to incompetent to find a new system for their Hard drives so they will continue to crash and take down the system. The NTFS one is outdated but it will be updated (hopefully in Win8). We will see more useless MS typical products, restricted to windows machines and requires a live ID. Hmm, what more? The registry system will remain the same, and it will require the same security applications you use now and perhaps the same error messages. Maybe we will see some Linux features, like multiple desktops and so on. Windows is slowly falling behind in the development... Don't expect anything major! If we get something major it will be untested and stupid so people will go back to their old system and give critics and in Win9 we will get the "major thing" that we wanted how it to work. Win7 is basically the tested and complete version of Vista. That's how they (MS) work. What... Seriously... I love how you stated you wouldn't post a useless post and then went ahead and posted a useless post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamwhoiam Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 but if their not going to make it backwards compatable, why keep running nt kernal? You do realize that there is nothing wrong with the NT kernel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasty2k2 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I think using the Natal input device would be awesome. Theyve said they want this to end up on PCs if I remember. We may start seeing some fancy stuff from that MS vision of 2020 video - some of those things looked sick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) windows 7 a "refinement!??"7 is as different from vista as vista was from xp... you must be one of those apple fans ;) as far as 8 goes.. i wouldn't mind seeing a floating taskbar. That is actually not true at all. Windows 7 IS ESSENTIALLY VISTA AT IT'S CORE. Windows 7 is based on the same technologies in Vista, but they have been further refined and improved to be leaner and more effcient. Aero is another area of refinement, not a complete change along with the move from WDDM 1.0 to 1.1, and services triggers to help priority IO work better and to lessen the impact of those services on low end netbooks. I don't see any point in this thread at all, why even compile a list of predictions? For fun? Just a guess. Edited June 12, 2009 by soonerproud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee286 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 These threads are always fun to look back on when the final of the product is released. It's just a shame that the forum probably won't hang onto this thread until windows 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerproud Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't know why people are actually posting useless posts but whatever... I will not do the same.MS are either too lazy or to incompetent to find a new system for their Hard drives so they will continue to crash and take down the system. The NTFS one is outdated but it will be updated (hopefully in Win8). We will see more useless MS typical products, restricted to windows machines and requires a live ID. Hmm, what more? The registry system will remain the same, and it will require the same security applications you use now and perhaps the same error messages. Maybe we will see some Linux features, like multiple desktops and so on. Windows is slowly falling behind in the development... Don't expect anything major! If we get something major it will be untested and stupid so people will go back to their old system and give critics and in Win9 we will get the "major thing" that we wanted how it to work. Win7 is basically the tested and complete version of Vista. That's how they (MS) work. Windows supports multiple desktops just fine and it is just a third party download away for the 25 people that actually want that feature. The reason why Windows does not support multiple desktops out of the box is few people really want that feature. If people were really clamoring for it, don't you think Microsoft would have already officially supported it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executor89 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 These threads are always fun to look back on when the final of the product is released. It's just a shame that the forum probably won't hang onto this thread until windows 8 I don't understand why people are thinking about win 8 already... Is win 7 THAT old/boring already? (coming from somebody that didn't dl the win 7 beta release) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) I just find this epic. Linux fanboys posting crap again? The one of the big arguments with going to a Linux based system is that you learn more in detail to how a operating system functions, but they've gone down this road and learned completely nothing. The Windows NT kernel doesn't need changing. Microsoft have added features and then have gone back and redefined the code for better personal and efficiently, Microsoft called this method 'MinWin'. People got caught up thinking that 'MinWin' was some super new Kernel, but it isn't, it's Windows NT but with more and more fat being cut after each release to make things better. The NTFS file system is perfectly fine. While it may not function like ext3/4, ZFS, Briefs, and so on, those file systems all have their pros and cons, just like NTFS has. But just because Microsoft haven't put "NTFS 5.0" on the front of the package doesn't mean that the NTFS file system is the same at it was when it was first introduced years ago. At the end of the day, just like the NT kernel, it's not broken, why fix it? Also, to comment what the OP posted. The problem isn't down to the NTFS file system, most of the file systems have the same performance issues, that's because they were designed for tracks and spindles and so on. SSD is different, but it doesn't need a new file system. It just needs the operating system to understand what to do if a SSD is present, i.e. trim etc (which have been added to Windows 7) and partition alignments. Again, let's not get ignorant. Windows can support multiple desktops (if we are talking like Linux which has KDE, Gnome, Fluxbox etc), developers can do this, all they need to do is kill the Explorer shell and start their own up. The KDE are doing this at the moment, and so are another team (Fluxbox I think). Nearly all of Microsoft applications don't. need a Live ID, the only programs that do are MSN or WLM if I decide to use my email with it. Microsoft do make software for other platforms, i.e. Mac, but at the end of the day, most Mac apps don't work in Windows. Most Mac apps don't work in Linux, Unix. Most Linux/Apps don't work in Windows or Mac and so on. Again, with the oblivious small mindedness that people are truly out to say crap about Windows. Windows 7 is the Windows 98SE of Windows 98. Better support, better features, better performance and so on. Did you notice that Windows 95, 98, 98SE, Me and 2000 looked familar? But they were all different in their own ways. Windows Vista was more like Windows 3.11 to Windows 95. Not down to looks, but a new improved platform that Microsoft will build off from for the next 10 years or so. Windows Vista was never a failure. People thought Windows XP was a failure because their was driver issues from Windows 98/2000 era based products. But at the end of the day, it was the better platform, and Windows 7 just proved that point. I'm no Microsoft fanboy. I'm a big fan of Linux, but their is nothing more embarrassing is a bunch of zealots who don't know what they are talking about and make genuine people who know mostly what they are talking about look like complete asshats. Thank you for that. Edit: Corrected a few works for being too tired from work. Edited June 12, 2009 by Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 That is actually not true at all. Windows 7 IS ESSENTIALLY VISTA AT IT'S CORE. Windows 7 is based on the same technologies in Vista, but they have been further refined and improved to be leaner and more effcient. Aero is another area of refinement, not a complete change along with the move from WDDM 1.0 to 1.1, and services triggers to help priority IO work better and to lessen the impact of those services on low end netbooks. Exactly :) Well, now, I happen to use Mac at home, but still, this is the truth. :p Vista was a huge leap forward though, and I commend Microsoft for having the guts to do it. That's why there were so many "child diseases" with lacking driver support in the beginning; there was just so much for the hardware vendors to catch up with. This is a completely different picture from what we have in Windows 7, but that's because it is largely Vista at its core. Sure, definitely worthy being called a major OS revision, but just as XP builds on 2000, 7 builds on Vista, although XP was an as important step forward as 7 will be. Sometimes, what is needed is exactly less major OS releases, so I'm not using this argument to "taint" Windows 7 or anything. It's not always a great idea to keep taking great leaps forward. That way, you'll have a hard time reaching the polish Microsoft has finally achieved in Windows 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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