Mike415 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/product...&lid=627063 It doesnt show or mention a controller. Do any Pro systems not offer one? Just wanna make sure it isnt so cheap because there isnt one. Also if I buy now am I screwing myself at all? Any better deals? Known price drop soon? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dell is selling 360s now. Not a good sign... But its a good deal. Doenst say its refurbed so your good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remysaus Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Input Device Game pad - wireless And as far as I know every console comes with at least one controller, especially the pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaraBoft Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Tech Specs Features Media Type 60 GB Storage Capacity, HDMI Ready, Access to Xbox Live Marketplace, HD Graphics Support DVD-ROM Weight Color Support 11.02 lbs Color Connectivity Technology Connector Type Wireless 1 x AV cable port ? 3 x USB 2.0 ? 1 x Ethernet ( RJ-45 ) ? 1 x HDMI output ( 19 pin HDMI Type A ) Device Type Video Memory Installed ( Max ) Gaming Console Video adapter memory - 10 MB - integrated Max Sample Rate Expansion Slots Total (Free) 48 kHz 2 ( 2 ) x memory Browser Floating Point Performance On Sale 1000 GFLOPS Included Game Console Accessories HDD Capacity Ethernet network cable, Xbox Live headset, 60GB external hard drive 60 GB Name Product Description Xbox 360 Microsoft Xbox 360 Pro System - game console Power Device Cache Memory Power adapter - external 1 MB Hard Disk Drive Fill Rate Yes 500 million triangles/sec Storage RAM DVD-ROM 12x - tray 512 MB x GDDR3 SDRAM - integrated RAM Installed ( Max ) Compatibility 512 MB ( 512 MB ) GDDR3 SDRAM - integrated MS Windows XP Media Center compatible Hard Drive Included Accessories 60 GB Ethernet network cable, Xbox Live headset, 60GB external hard driInput Device/b> Processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike415 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Sounds good. Thanks guys. (I searched the page for controller so I missed it) Any info on price drops soon? Or should I just pick it up now with summer starting as of TODAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remysaus Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I don't see any pricedrops coming really, they are the cheapest console this gen at the moment and they're still selling pretty good I think. So no real need for a sudden pricedrop anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Monkey Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I don't see any pricedrops coming really, they are the cheapest console this gen at the moment and they're still selling pretty good I think. So no real need for a sudden pricedrop anytime soon. I agree with this. We might see another price drop when they start shipping out the next motherboard revision (Valhalla, the combined Xenon/Xenos 45nm chip). My belief is that when Valhalla ships there will be a form factor change. They're going to need to cost reduce the rest of the system to be able to cut the price because Valhalla yields will necessarily be lower than yields of the Jasper class Xenon and Xenos chips (chips are produced on silicon wafers, there is a relatively constant number of defects on any given wafer, the smaller the chips are, the less the chance is that any individual chip will have a defect. So producing two chips that are half the size of a larger chip will have half the rate of defects, see the example below to see why yield is higher for the separate chips). _______ _______ | D |XS | |D |XN | |___|___| |___|___| |XS |XS | |XN |XN | |___|___| |___|___| _______ _______ | D |val| | D |Val| | | | | | | | | | | | | |___|___| |___|___| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike415 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 I agree with this. We might see another price drop when they start shipping out the next motherboard revision (Valhalla, the combined Xenon/Xenos 45nm chip). My belief is that when Valhalla ships there will be a form factor change. They're going to need to cost reduce the rest of the system to be able to cut the price because Valhalla yields will necessarily be lower than yields of the Jasper class Xenon and Xenos chips (chips are produced on silicon wafers, there is a relatively constant number of defects on any given wafer, the smaller the chips are, the less the chance is that any individual chip will have a defect. So producing two chips that are half the size of a larger chip will have half the rate of defects, see the example below to see why yield is higher for the separate chips). _______ _______ | D |XS | |D |XN | |___|___| |___|___| |XS |XS | |XN |XN | |___|___| |___|___| _______ _______ | D |val| | D |Val| | | | | | | | | | | | | |___|___| |___|___| Interesting. Seems like maybe fall for this chip? Besides being less likely to be defective will the end user notice any differences? Also i hear there are rumors of free XBox live. Maybe I should only get 6 months of Live or whatever I can find for cheap. I did find 12 months for 34 though, should I get that? http://www.buy.com/prod/xbox-live-12-month.../211086907.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KJ Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dell is selling 360s now. Not a good sign... But its a good deal. Doenst say its refurbed so your good. They've been selling them for a while now. They sell electronics outside of their own line of goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Monkey Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Interesting. Seems like maybe fall for this chip? Besides being less likely to be defective will the end user notice any differences? Also i hear there are rumors of free XBox live. Maybe I should only get 6 months of Live or whatever I can find for cheap. I did find 12 months for 34 though, should I get that?http://www.buy.com/prod/xbox-live-12-month.../211086907.html Personally I don't consider 35 bucks for a year of live to be expensive. Or even for six months of live. 35 bucks a month is a little pricey :)You definitely don't want to buy live month to month ($8 per month). I think the objective in merging the chips is to just make the system less expensive to produce (fewer components, fewer solder points etc). It was part of the original plan (the whole design philosophy of Xenon and Xenos was to eventually merge them, ATI designed certain of the memory systems that were included in Xenon) to merge the chips. Edited June 11, 2009 by Dead_Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Monkey Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Um, apologies, above I said 45nm, I should have written 65nm. To get better yields they will of course want to eventually shift to 45nm though. There have been long standing reports that Chartered would be producing 45nm chips for 360 though: http://pcworld.about.com/od/cpuarchitectur...45nm-Xbox-3.htm A 45nm process chip would have about half the surface area of the same 65nm chip. Typically the chip has to be re-engineered to some degree so that it still "works" in that smaller process. So if you produced Valhalla at 45nm, it would have the same yields as 65nm Xenon and Xenos chips. To get similar results the next step down from 45nm would have to be to about 30nm (which is the new emerging process, the biggest companies have only started running 30nm prototypes last year). Edited June 11, 2009 by Dead_Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHumanly Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I doubt there will be price drops any time soon. And yes, it comes with a controller. It'll come with: Xbox 360 Console60GB Hard DriveWireless ControllerWired HeadsetEthernet Cable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Spork) Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dell is selling 360s now. Not a good sign... But its a good deal. Doenst say its refurbed so your good. dell has been selling them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfunctional Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/product...&lid=627063It doesnt show or mention a controller. Do any Pro systems not offer one? Just wanna make sure it isnt so cheap because there isnt one. Also if I buy now am I screwing myself at all? Any better deals? Known price drop soon? Thanks If you buy from them don't expect quick shipping, I just bought one on the 8th they told me I would have it by the 12th then they delayed it to the 26th. The customer service was good though, I talked to a sales rep who said they would replace it for free if it wasn't a Jasper unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike415 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 If you buy from them don't expect quick shipping, I just bought one on the 8th they told me I would have it by the 12th then they delayed it to the 26th. The customer service was good though, I talked to a sales rep who said they would replace it for free if it wasn't a Jasper unit. Hmmm, thanks for the input. Is it just backordered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Monkey Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I think Dell fulfillment is just slow. I've heard of many instances where orders were processed very slowly, even for off-the-shelf items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfunctional Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Hmmm, thanks for the input. Is it just backordered? I'm not sure, they were having a sale so I'm sure they received a lot of orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boz Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 $250 .. that's a pretty good price for 60gb Pro version.. All Xbox 360s come with a wireless controller and HDMI. The cheaper $199 Xbox 360 is the same just doesn't have hard drive. So $250 is definitely going to have the controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike415 Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 $250 .. that's a pretty good price for 60gb Pro version.. All Xbox 360s come with a wireless controller and HDMI. The cheaper $199 Xbox 360 is the same just doesn't have hard drive. So $250 is definitely going to have the controller. Got a 60gb Holiday Pro Bundle on Ebay. Hopefully it doesnt have the problems of older XBOX's. Its th eone that comes with Indiana Jones and Lego Game. but Got it for 230 shipped and I guess 10% back from paypal. Anyone know if I should try the penny heatsink trick or is it fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfunctional Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Got a 60gb Holiday Pro Bundle on Ebay. Hopefully it doesnt have the problems of older XBOX's. Its th eone that comes with Indiana Jones and Lego Game. but Got it for 230 shipped and I guess 10% back from paypal.Anyone know if I should try the penny heatsink trick or is it fine? I think the holiday bundle is guaranteed to have either a Falcon or Jasper chip, Jasper is better but Falcon is still far more reliable than any of the 360's produced before it. I think either will be reliable enough that you shouldn't worry about the penny trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike415 Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 I think the holiday bundle is guaranteed to have either a Falcon or Jasper chip, Jasper is better but Falcon is still far more reliable than any of the 360's produced before it. I think either will be reliable enough that you shouldn't worry about the penny trick. XBOX TIEM THEN!!! (When it comes) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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