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Opera has a valid claim, but as its against some of the posters beloved MS that they are calling for boycotts! (especially funny is the ones that defend Opera with quite well thought out posts are getting called Trolls)

These are the people that slam mac users for being to defensive of their platform!

There are Apple fanboys and Microsoft zealots. They are both the same; idiotic.

I came here for information on Windows XP back when it was in beta, when I switched to mac in January 2005 I kept coming. I don't see why I would stop, there's a lot more than just Windows stuff here

Yeah me too. Came here when XP was a Beta, started using Macs in 2004 and still here. My main computer and my laptop are a Macs but I still have my PC and use Windows too. No need to stop visiting the way because you aren't a Windows user.

You could be a casual user that does not own a computer and simply uses one at school, work, or the library and still want to keep neowin around. There is an amazing community of people here and honestly after a while you get to know and expect stuff to come from certain users its great.

I thought we had a pretty fair and balanced coverage of WWDC, we had our entire staff dedicated during the keynote to get all the information on Snow Leopard, iPhone 3.0, iPhone 3GS, etc.

There is some stuff Microsoft does that excites us, and some stuff that pisses us off. We call them out on it when we can. Just the same as Apple.

I suggest you read: https://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=54396

Reading Neowin these past weeks, the tone of most of the windows posters on the forum and the main news site has seemed to have become very hostile, theres a exceeding amount of bile being thrown about, you only have to read the latest safari story, 70% of the posts have little to do with the subject, but are being posted to get a kick in, no matter if its correct or not.

I don't know if this is because there is now a younger element just joining?

There was a post in the news section very similar to what I'm asking, if you are a macuser, is Neowin still a site worth visiting for calm tech news and discussion or is it best moving on?

if the "WIN" in Neowin didn't give you a clue what the site is about, let me help you.. Neowindows, I believe the "Neo" was a translation or something for "New" meaning New Windows, aka Windows XP.

As a newsposter, I see a dozen or more articles a day, and 2+ of them are usually Apple related, from iPhones to WWDC. There isn't a reason people should unbookmark this site, because they came here for one particular reason.. Windows. The site has only recently evolved into a multi-OS web site.

I agree with lylesback2 except I see no reason for a non-Windows poster to come here. I haven't used Windows in 3 years, as a FreeBSD user, and only showed up by invitation from someone to help out in a thread. Otherwise, I only heard of this place but have no reason to come here. Even this time, in case you're wondering, was just a mis-click on my history when I noticed this thread.

If you want real information and news about Mac, or Linux for that matter, you should be visiting Mac sites and Linux sites, not NeoWin or any other Windows-only forums. Windows users have little knowledge outside what Microsoft feeds them or what their point/click machines tell them to think.

If you want real information and news about Mac, or Linux for that matter, you should be visiting Mac sites and Linux sites, not NeoWin or any other Windows-only forums. Windows users have little knowledge outside what Microsoft feeds them or what their point/click machines tell them to think.

Neowin is not a "Windows-only" forum. And nice generalization about Windows users, too. Because, you know, none of use have EVER used another operating system before.

Also, I could just as easily conclude that Mac users are shallow people who only know what Apple feeds them or what their simplified GUI machines tell them to think. I could conclude that all Linux users are nerds who worship Linus Torvalds.

Neowin is not a "Windows-only" forum.
Oh! You're right. Let's see. There's all kinds of boards with the occasional post here and there. I guess I'm wrong.
And nice generalization about Windows users, too. Because, you know, none of use have EVER used another operating system before.
You're right. I should have said "most Windows users" cause sometimes 'nix users have to work on a Windows machine.
Also, I could just as easily conclude that Mac users are shallow people who only know what Apple feeds them or what their simplified GUI machines tell them to think. I could conclude that all Linux users are nerds who worship Linus Torvalds.

The difference is the quality of product. For me, technical quality is most important. Work from 'nix and Mac authors is far more advanced than that from Microsoft. Some of the things from Microsoft Labs can be interesting but usually pretty useless since the good stuff they keep to themselves and anything released is just an attempt at PR.

Oh! You're right. Let's see. There's all kinds of boards with the occasional post here and there. I guess I'm wrong.You're right. I should have said "most Windows users" cause sometimes 'nix users have to work on a Windows machine.

The difference is the quality of product. For me, technical quality is most important. Work from 'nix and Mac authors is far more advanced than that from Microsoft. Some of the things from Microsoft Labs can be interesting but usually pretty useless since the good stuff they keep to themselves and anything released is just an attempt at PR.

looking at your post I'm guessing you don't like microsoft at all, so i take anything anti-Microsoft you say with little salt

I thought we had a pretty fair and balanced coverage of WWDC, we had our entire staff dedicated during the keynote to get all the information on Snow Leopard, iPhone 3.0, iPhone 3GS, etc.

There is some stuff Microsoft does that excites us, and some stuff that ****es us off. We call them out on it when we can. Just the same as Apple.

I suggest you read: https://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=54396

Hi Marshalus, with all due respect, I don't think the question was on the quality of the reporting, more to do with posts like for example on the front page of the steve jobs story, where you have lots of members just putting digs in for really no reason, a mixture of sick, anti-jobs, and the last two, if I may quote

Tommy DW on 24 Jun 2009 - 19:16

ZombieFly said,

maybe the jailbreak rom should have been called yellowsk1n?

get well soon steve!

edit: last night i saw an advert on UK tv for the new iphone. I simply cannot believe that the selling point was "video capability" when the existing hardware is capable of that already (when jailbroken) plus the fact that basically every phone on the market today can record video. Given the cost of the iphone on a contract in the UK, they are simply taking the **** by not allowing existing iphones to record video and pushing the isheep into a costly unjustified upgrade. If any other company did this, there would be outrage, people would be leaving apple for other platforms by the thousand. Jobs has targetted the "non-technical" user with his ease of use interface, now he's raping their wallets for cash as they know no better. unbelievable. Even more unbelievable is the fact that so called tech-savvy people stand for this blatant exploitation. He must be laughing his head off.

wake up people, this guy is having a laugh at your expense. Hitler created the beetle as the people's car.....

I agree but what do you expect from delusional apple fanboys?

Now, the first post is just a bit dumb, going on about isheep, going on about targeting the none technical, not seemingly to release that this is what apple is actually all about, package really the same tools as everyone else, but doing it so that excellent design has a usable interface uttermost.

But the second poster, that must be just allowed trolling, as the iphone is bought by all types as its a phone with the best interface and easy expandability, to want a phone that is easy to use is not something just wanted by Apple owners.

Hi Marshalus, with all due respect, I don't think the question was on the quality of the reporting, more to do with posts like for example on the front page of the steve jobs story, where you have lots of members just putting digs in for really no reason, a mixture of sick, anti-jobs, and the last two, if I may quote

And yet you're not at all bothered by the exact same thing happening on the big Mac sites, where every other post is anti-Microsoft just for the hell of it?

And yet you're not at all bothered by the exact same thing happening on the big Mac sites, where every other post is anti-Microsoft just for the hell of it?

You're making a bit of an assumption that I read the big Mac sites, I don't.

The only one that I've gone to in the last year is macrumors and thats only if I hear of a potential new product and I want to see the specs of it or spy photographs.

Good question.

I personally don't venture here much anymore at all, and post even less so.

+1

Exactly how I feel. And I've removed Neowin.net form my bookmarks about a month ago.

Even in the Mac sub-forums - Windows fanboys spam and get away with it all the time.

+1

Exactly how I feel. And I've removed Neowin.net form my bookmarks about a month ago.

Even in the Mac sub-forums - Windows fanboys spam and get away with it all the time.

Well then go to another board where Mac fanboys spam and get away with it all the time.

Sadly, trying to discuss general Mac topics on here is difficult and has been totally ruined by a dedicated cabal of Microsoft fanboys. Neowin should remain in your bookmarks list but only if you're ready to bite your lip and try not to bite at some of the truely moronic crap that gets posted up in the comments sections of news items.

Neowin should remain in your bookmarks list but only if you're ready to bite your lip and try not to bite at some of the truely moronic crap that gets posted up in the comments sections of news items.

Also if you like a little bit of that good old masochism - it always *hits* the spot ;)

I come here occasionally. I used to frequent here much more when I was a Windows user and when I got a Mac I more or less left it behind. I started to come to read a little bit on the rare occasion, like maybe once or twice in a few months, but felt like it was more a more hostile place than friendly for Mac users, so I did not bother to post anything.

Now I come here when I am bored at work for the most part and have started posting occasionally, but always just replying to people who need help with something.

I don't come here so somebody can tell me about how superior their operating system is and how owning a Mac must somehow mean a) I am made of money, b) I don't know anything about computers, c) I don't know anything about other operating systems, d) Steve Jobs is my messiah, e) I praise and/or buy anything Steve Jobs advertises, f) my computer is automatically vastly insufficient compared to PC's running other operating systems.

In fact, none of those are true. a) I am not made of money; I work every summer when I don't have school to pay for the things I want. b) I know plenty about computers and am studying computer science. c) I have used Windows and various distributions of Linux extensively in different environments. d) No, I do not worship Steve Jobs. e) I, for one, do not like nor wish to have an iPhone. I was very happy with my Creative Zen before I lost it and went for a good deal on an iPod Touch. f) Some computers are better than others and the operating system is irrelevant to the efficiency of a computer anyway.

I also don't particularly understand the "x is the problem with Mac OS so y operating system is the solution" posts. One common input to x is gaming.

I might prefer Mac OS to other operating systems, but that is because it suits me better. I find Windows and Linux to be counterproductive for my needs. I actually really like the direction Windows 7 is headed and have it installed on my Mac as well. They all have their problems and each person will have their preference to the one that works best for them.

You cannot be seriously saying that neowin ISN'T Microsoft-oriented and pro-MS... While I do not have problems with it, I notice it in the general topics concerning mac's (the mac forums not so much) and in the gamer section, where the vast majority of the user base is pro MS and not-so-pro Sony...

I don't agree however that it has become a hostile environment - it's not deteriorated that much, thanks to the mods... nonetheless, some posts here and there are just pro microsoft without real arguments, but hey, what are you gonna do... it's called neowin for a reason...

I chose the name Neowin because when we started we only focused on what would become Windows XP. Our userbase and staff requested the broader spectrum of news reporting way back in 2001 and we've been covering Apple, Linux as well as Microsoft ever since.

The name of the site does not totally represent the focus, but it did stick. :p

Congratulations on being a prime example. Here, have a cookie.

Uh... How does that make me a Windows fanboy? It just seems that if you or anyone else is unhappy with how Neowin turned out... Then go somewhere else. There are boards that exist for Mac fans, just like there are boards that exist for Windows fans.

And, no, I don't think that Neowin exclusively caters to Windows fanatics. There are obviously more Windows users than Mac users, but I've never felt that any serious Mac topics have ever gotten derailed for any long period of time. (Again, because the moderation here is quite good.)

other more "apple" centric sites are horrible toward Microsoft users go there if you don't like this place, i go here because they have things from every spectrum of gadgets and technology. this place is the best site i've been on that isn't that one sided

I chose the name Neowin because when we started we only focused on what would become Windows XP. Our userbase and staff requested the broader spectrum of news reporting way back in 2001 and we've been covering Apple, Linux as well as Microsoft ever since.

The name of the site does not totally represent the focus, but it did stick. :p

Yeah, I remember when you guys published the site. I was reading your news for a bit before registering myself.

So far you've done a great job at keeping this site clean and diverse, keep up the good work.

Cheers

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