Neo003 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Yeah right, Xbox natal is going to be same as NXE update. It will renew your 360 just as NXE did. Making a new console in less then 5 years! I don't think MS is that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 1up talking out of their asses again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 1up tard rumour to get some easy hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted June 13, 2009 MVC Share Posted June 13, 2009 Oh 1up, why even bother. MS said this will be used in some AAA tiles but not all of them! Natal isn't ready to do everything yet and it will take a while to coax over gamers who have grown up knowing the responsiveness of a controller (or keyboard+mouse) in games like an FPS. It has won over quite a number of people but MS won't spring this on the public for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDEAN Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Well the biggest hurdle for these motion controllers is they're coming out 3/4 years into a current life cycle, have absolutely no software catalogue to back their launch, and aren't included with every PS3/360 for devs equaling bigger financial risks. have you seen them getting natal to work with burnout paradise? you pretend to step on a paddle with your right foot, and hold an imaginary steering wheel in your hand... i say that Natal could come with a controller emulation software that goes into the xbox360's os ... you could map your different bodyparts to different functions of a controller, and get semi-intuinitive control... or better yet it could autodetect which games you are playing and load a profile for that game.... it probably wont have the full body simulation thats the trademark of Natal, but at least the possibility is there for the support of old games So the Xbox Natal might have more powerful GPU, faster drive or even Blu-ray and the rest of the stuff might be the same so you can use same accessories and stuff you bought and play old Xbox 360 games without problems. perhaps they could force a game to be rendered at a higher resolution , rather than upsampling from low-resolution rendered frames? there might be a risk of breaking something in the game graphics which depend on the absolute positions of the pixels and stuff, but im sure they could find a way around that... in order for natal to be the best (you walking into the room and automatically logging in etc..), your 360 would have to be on 24/7... my friends on his 4th 360 having it on pretty close to 24/7. does the xbox360 have any possibility of a 'sleep' function? and maybe a 'wake by camera' option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorwing Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Natal is an attachment for the 360 isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Natal is an attachment for the 360 isn't it? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmatik Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Did anyone read the actual blog? It says they belive it will be released as a standard console ALONG with an add-on for the 360. Makes perfect sense. People who don't have a 360, they can just by the Natal console. Those who do have a 360, we can just buy the add-on. That's all it is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Did anyone read the actual blog? It says they belive it will be released as a standard console ALONG with an add-on for the 360. Makes perfect sense. People who don't have a 360, they can just by the Natal console. Those who do have a 360, we can just buy the add-on. That's all it is saying. They will obviously release a bundle and that's as far as you can take it, not like they're going to super-glue the thing on to the 360. So there's two ways you can interpret that 1up article, either they are predicting the obvious or they are being mildly retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Well of course Natal will be integrated in the next console, but the next console isn't going to be for another few years. It would be extremely uncharacteristic and, frankly, stupid from a business perspective at this point to release a console next fall. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Integrate it into the console, so you are proposing we need to have a console smack dab in front of our TV for it to be able to pick up the movement? Natal is based on cameras and will need a full view of the body and I don't know a single soul who doesn't have their consoles tucked away under their TVs or hidden behind something to obscure the view. No matter how you look at it, wouldn't make any sense to integrate it - You need to be able to move it independently of the console. Yes, the design of Natal would probably change but it should always remain a separate unit you can move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Well of course Natal will be integrated in the next console, but the next console isn't going to be for another few years. It would be extremely uncharacteristic and, frankly, stupid from a business perspective at this point to release a console next fall.-Spenser if by 'intergrated' you mean the relationship between the Wii and its 'sensor bar' , then yeah i agree it will be intergrated... but it can be done with the current xbox 360's, you just need to plug it in and put it onto your tv or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 does the xbox360 have any possibility of a 'sleep' function? and maybe a 'wake by camera' option? umm yeah i just realized, it does... its part of the 'background downloads' feature surely if they can download in a low-power mode, they could implement a wake-by-camera function? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshBluebird Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Yeah right, Xbox natal is going to be same as NXE update. It will renew your 360 just as NXE did. Making a new console in less then 5 years! I don't think MS is that stupid. I hope your being sarcastic. Remember what happened with the orignal xbox. 4 years from launch to death. While I can't see it happening this time around, as the 360 is still on top of the PS3, it wouldn't suprise me that much realy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmatik Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Here's a thought: Microsoft is also introducing downloadable retail games. Optical drives take up a good portion of the console's size - if you take that out why couldn't you put the Natal interface on the console? If they pound a small 500GB hard drive in there... No matter what, it's all guesses anyway. We don't even know what the final Natal build will look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 13, 2009 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 13, 2009 have you seen them getting natal to work with burnout paradise? you pretend to step on a paddle with your right foot, and hold an imaginary steering wheel in your hand...i say that Natal could come with a controller emulation software that goes into the xbox360's os ... you could map your different bodyparts to different functions of a controller, and get semi-intuinitive control... or better yet it could autodetect which games you are playing and load a profile for that game.... it probably wont have the full body simulation thats the trademark of Natal, but at least the possibility is there for the support of old games Yea and it's a complete gimmick for something like Burnout Paradise. There's no contextual feedback and something like Burnout needs buttons. I can hardly think of one good AAA "hardcore" game that would be better off without a controller. Even Mario Kart on the Wii needs buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMELTN Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 agreed with everyone else.. Natal is an attachment, as the Microsoft guy said live himself at E3.. "Natal with work with any xbox360 we have sold in the past and any xbox we sell in the future" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copoboxx Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I really don't want a new xbox!!! I hope it doesn't happen :@ That's just being unfair and causing us to pay more... Why not just make it a camera.. I guess the current xbox wouldn't be performing as good as the new one and new games damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I really don't want a new xbox!!! I hope it doesn't happen :@ That's just being unfair and causing us to pay more... Why not just make it a camera.. I guess the current xbox wouldn't be performing as good as the new one and new games damn! Apply logic, read rest of thread, don't just read OP and post - Oh happy days :) One thing I really hope is high precision of Natal, especially for racing games. Yes it may be a more 'real' experience to have a wheel between your hands but I also want fun, that's what Natal brings. I would love to be able to just whip out my hands and take a car for a spin, sick of having to hook up all the leads, position the wheel and the pedals and finding the right position. You just need one of those metal stands which usually costs a fortune to have made or buy pre-fabricated, so having an actual wheel in front of the TV in the couch is unbearable - Just give me Natal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Yea and it's a complete gimmick for something like Burnout Paradise.There's no contextual feedback and something like Burnout needs buttons. I can hardly think of one good AAA "hardcore" game that would be better off without a controller. Even Mario Kart on the Wii needs buttons. well for some reason they chose that game to demo it at that Late Night With Jimmy Fallon show i dont think that you can say that you need buttons with absolute certainty , before you had the experience of playing without buttons... so far only a handful of people in this world have tried Natal, and for the rest of us its a huge unknown... being 'hardcore' implies being very experienced in something, and having no experience with Natal at the moment doesnt mean that there wont be hardcore experiences later on... remember when people thought that dance mats were gimmicky? Edited June 13, 2009 by carmatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manson_AAN Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I wonder what FPS's would be like if any. Like holding an imaginary gun and have some kid go "BOOM HEADSHOT" at every kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 13, 2009 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 13, 2009 well for some reason they chose that game to demo it at that Late Night With Jimmy Fallon showi dont think that you can say that you need buttons with absolute certainty , before you had the experience of playing without buttons... so far only a handful of people in this world have tried Natal, and for the rest of us its a huge unknown... being 'hardcore' implies being very experienced in something, and having no experience with Natal at the moment doesnt mean that there wont be hardcore experiences later on... remember when people thought that dance mats were gimmicky? With the amount of inputs for some of these games, IMO I can. I don't want to draw mouse gestures with my finger to have to correlate with boost, or the handbrake, or have to slowly/fastly move my feet to determine speed (360/PS3 buttons are context sensitive). Natal will work with unique software, not as a method to take over complex controls. You could implement it in some ways with Burnout and using a controller, but using it on it's own is not something I want to do for the length of a game like Burnout - Hundreds of hours potentially. That's not a comfortable relaxed gaming experience for me, playing Burnout Paradise for 100 hours flailing my arms and feet. It's something I'll do for 10-15 minutes, think ohhh that's cool tech, then ask someone to pass me the controller to seriously play Burnout for the next 2 hours. With the Wii the games I like most are the games I can sit down and play myself with some minor motion inputs. I do not play WiiSports myself, which is why the Wii has become a party console for me, with the occasional single player use any time a worthwhile game comes out. Dance mats are a unique genre of gaming, they aren't taking a game that works well with a controller and trying to remove that input method completely. The Wii took perfectly fine controls and modified them, it didn't completely remove them - As in motion controls mixed with actual controls, and even then the Wii makes a complete nuisance of itself doing that in some games where you get tired of having to swing a remote to swing a sword instead of just pushing a button. Putting Zelda aside, Okami is a perfect example. Worked awesome on the PS2, really enjoyable game, Wii port mapped the main attack to a Wiimote swing, I gave up playing after an hour as it's a pain in the ass. Unique software will sell Natal, not shoehorning a no control method into existing games that make heavy use of a controller. That's trying to reverse engineer working controls for the sake of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Well then, don't buy it - Simple as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 13, 2009 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 13, 2009 Well then, don't buy it - Simple as. Whats that got to do with anything? We're talking about Natal trying to replace control schemes for existing games. I said countless times unique software will sell natal, and that will sell it to me, not Burnout, things like Milo or other games that work great with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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