Phantom Helix Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I really feel the same way as you, I just can't believe it. I paid so much money for this outdated hardware that make me take it and return it to Apple. how long have you been a Mac owner? seems like not very long, look how long it took apple to start using mainstream processors like intel. and just because your the first out of the box with something does not mean you did it right or that its better than someone who does it later wich is a usual tactic of apple. and your mac is by no means outdated, ill buy it from you if you dont want it anymore, take what you piad and cut 30% and its sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabron Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 how long have you been a Mac owner?seems like not very long, look how long it took apple to start using mainstream processors like intel. and just because your the first out of the box with something does not mean you did it right or that its better than someone who does it later wich is a usual tactic of apple. and your mac is by no means outdated, ill buy it from you if you dont want it anymore, take what you piad and cut 30% and its sold I converted myself from Windows to Mac less than two years ago, and so far the experience has been great with my Mac and I enjoy a lot. But recently I want to play Blu ray movies in my iMac, I have the 24inch version. I don't really like the idea that I have only iTunes HD as the only solution for HD movies, first I have a slow connection, I am not going to spend hours downloading a HD movie. If I have the Blu-ray, I will just rent it or buy it the movie and not waiting years until a movie is downloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Helix Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Wow i feel sorry than, i have a decent connection a full hd movie only takes 2 hrs to dl, only thing is i want to watch BR on my mac to thats why i use bootcamp and windows cuz apple hasnt given up on the appleTV yet which i think is the only garbage device they make, at least the way it is now, ive been thinking of replacing mine with a Mac mini. the worst thing about appleTV or HD movies in itunes is that not all movies are HD and Some are ONLY on appletv and usually ONLY for rent, ive got a movie gallery 2 blocks from my house and they have blu-ray no way im gonna wait 2 hrs to dl a movie when i can walk 2 blocks in 5 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Mac's have the appropriate HDCP we are just waiting for the Player Software and Disc Drives from Apple. 3rd party developers won't supply us with Bluray software because no Mac's currently ship with Bluray hardware and the self-modding scene is not a big enough market within the Macintosh sub-market to make the development of Mac specific Bluray player software viable. As soon as Apple make the Bluray software available (Probably the next version of OS X after Snow Leopard) I will take the bottom off my 17" MacBook Pro and stick one of those Slot Loading Bluray Drives in it. It really sucks that Apple have not included Bluray but this is them all over they always launch something with tons of arbitrary limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted June 24, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 24, 2009 Mac's have the appropriate HDCP we are just waiting for the Player Software and Disc Drives from Apple. 3rd party developers won't supply us with Bluray software because no Mac's currently ship with Bluray hardware and the self-modding scene is not a big enough market within the Macintosh sub-market to make the development of Mac specific Bluray player software viable.As soon as Apple make the Bluray software available (Probably the next version of OS X after Snow Leopard) I will take the bottom off my 17" MacBook Pro and stick one of those Slot Loading Bluray Drives in it. It really sucks that Apple have not included Bluray but this is them all over they always launch something with tons of arbitrary limits. ^this... :) I believe the only issue is HDCP support, which has to be implemented as a complete path from the drive to the display. Without it the BRA won't give them the info on decryption. I'm sure the licensing and certification is fairly pricey, but I'm also sure Apple is working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) I honestly don't get why the topic starter is acting so surprised and angry about the fact that Mac OS X doesn't support Blu-ray. In 2007 it was already perfectly clear that Apple was reluctant at best (to put it mildly) to adopt the new medium and that it wouldn't come to its platform anytime soon. From what I remember the company already stated back then they had no intention to ship Macs with read-only Blu-ray support and that read/write capabilities wouldn't be incorporated until prices would drop significantly. With desktop Blu-ray burners at a retail price of around ?250 that time probably hasn't come yet. Let alone laptop sized ones suitable for the Mac mini, iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro. That said it would have been nice if Apple added full Blu-ray support to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. But I'm not a least bit surprised that this hasn't happened yet. Not to sound harsh, but you could have know what was to be expected when you bought your iMac. Edited June 24, 2009 by .Neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scratch 'n Sniff Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I honestly don't get why the topic starter is acting so surprised and angry about the fact that Mac OS X doesn't support Blu-ray. In 2007 it was already perfectly clear that Apple was reluctant at best (to put it mildly) to adopt the new medium and that it wouldn't come to its platform anytime soon. From what I remember the company already stated back then they had no intention to ship Macs with read-only Blu-ray support and that read/write capabilities wouldn't be incorporated until prices would drop significantly. With desktop Blu-ray burners at a retail price of around ?250 that time probably hasn't come yet. Let alone laptop sized ones suitable for the Mac mini, iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro.That said it would have been nice if Apple added full Blu-ray support to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. But I'm not a least bit surprised that this hasn't happened yet. Not to sound harsh, but you could have know what was to be expected when you bought your iMac. It also has to be said that the original poster does need to calm down - it isn't the end of the world. Go into any shop these days and the vast majority of computers are still be sold with DVD drives; those with BluRay are reader only and don't include BluRay writing ability. Apple is sitting in the middle where most people sit - what the original author is demanding support for something that is for all intents and purposes is a niche at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 ^this... :) I believe the only issue is HDCP support, which has to be implemented as a complete path from the drive to the display. Without it the BRA won't give them the info on decryption. I'm sure the licensing and certification is fairly pricey, but I'm also sure Apple is working on it. As I said previously Mac's have the appropriate HDCP support. We know they have this as you can boot in to Windows once you have a Bluray player inside the computer and watch Bluray movies (which requires HDCP from the GPU to the Display) Again all we need is the Software from Apple in OS X. Also something interesting to note, Apples HD stuff they sell on iTunes has in the past utilised HDCP to create a secure connection between there Unibody notebooks and external Displays over Display Port and some users were unable to watch the HD content on a TV when using a VGA cable with it warning them about a lack of HDCP. Bluray licensing is really not that much. I have seen Laptops on store shelves here for ?300 that come with Bluray. Apple selling notebooks at ?2,200 could certainly fit Bluray in there if their profits of 60% on each unit are to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protocol7 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Bluray licensing is really not that much. I have seen Laptops on store shelves here for ?300 that come with Bluray. Apple selling notebooks at ?2,200 could certainly fit Bluray in there if their profits of 60% on each unit are to be believed. Exactly. it's got nothing to do with licence fees. Apple want to sell "HD" digital content over iTunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Helix Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Exactly. it's got nothing to do with licence fees. Apple want to sell "HD" digital content over iTunes. They do plan to add blu-ray Data support in, mostly for backing those huge itunes libraries that some of us are accumulating ( mine is currently 561 GB ) seriously can you imagine backup up my library to DVD? or god even CD? *faints*, forget the expense what about the time it would take and once they do finally add-in blu-ray drives even if only readers you know customers will CRY playback support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabron Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 They do plan to add blu-ray Data support in, mostly for backing those huge itunes libraries that some of us are accumulating ( mine is currently 561 GB )seriously can you imagine backup up my library to DVD? or god even CD? *faints*, forget the expense what about the time it would take and once they do finally add-in blu-ray drives even if only readers you know customers will CRY playback support Its not that what Time Machine do?:blink:k: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_c_b Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Yea, I don't see Apple implementing BD for back up purposes, only if the video editing crowd starts to crow for it. They have Time Machine for backups and iTunes for HD content. This comes from a staunch BD fan with many movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant0r Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I honestly don't get why the topic starter is acting so surprised and angry about the fact that Mac OS X doesn't support Blu-ray. In 2007 it was already perfectly clear that Apple was reluctant at best (to put it mildly) to adopt the new medium and that it wouldn't come to its platform anytime soon. From what I remember the company already stated back then they had no intention to ship Macs with read-only Blu-ray support and that read/write capabilities wouldn't be incorporated until prices would drop significantly. With desktop Blu-ray burners at a retail price of around ?250 that time probably hasn't come yet. Let alone laptop sized ones suitable for the Mac mini, iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro.That said it would have been nice if Apple added full Blu-ray support to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. But I'm not a least bit surprised that this hasn't happened yet. Not to sound harsh, but you could have know what was to be expected when you bought your iMac. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted June 29, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 29, 2009 Damn it, so we (Mac users) are stuck with normal DVD's burners / players? :crazy: that's unbelievable, we paid premium for a system that can't use the latest technology in multimedia? That's bull****. Nice aint it?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perochan Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 just wait... apple will eventually comes out with blu ray player in the mac (hence the Toast burner program has the blu ray option........) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martog Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Unfortunately this is one of the reasons I no longer have an Apple laptop as they just don't cut it in terms of value compared to PC laptops now of days. I'm sorry but when I paid $2100 for my 18" HP with a T9600 2.8GHz, 4GB of RAM, dual 320GB 7200RPM drives, eSATA, SD/MMC/MS, MS PRO, XD, and blu-ray player with lightscribe, it is really a wonder how the higher end Macbook Pro's are even justified unless you don't mind not having some of the nicer things. Not to mention mine has a three year accidental warranty (things do happen Apple, please get with the times on accidently coverage, the major players have it in the pc market...).I mean an 'equivalent" Macbook Pro would've cost me $1500+ more and all I would have gained was a backlit keyboard (The newer model of mine has them), Mac OS X and battery life (I didn't buy the laptop for battery life..). I really love Apple, and wish I could have gotten a Macbook Pro with all that for around the same (even a few hundred more I would've paid) but until Apple plays catchup (they seem to do that lately, look at the iPhone in terms of features other phones had for years..) I just cannot justify the premium price for not such a premium set of features. Unfortunately if you want Blu-ray on your mac, prepare to get the external drive and a copy of Windows. At least the drives come with the playback software. I mean you could probably just load XP on there if the software plays blu-ray under XP. Going to be 2-3 years at least before Apple decided to adopt Blu-Ray. And honestly Apple does not have to license the software if a third party wants to step in and do it for them, basically bundle the drive with both a Windows and Mac blu-ray player software would at least make some people happy. Windows does not natively play Blu-Ray so I don't see why Mac OS X has to either, that's what third party developers are for. Unfrotunately they probably see the market too small to bother, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Helix Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Its not that what Time Machine do? :blink: Um NO. by default Time Machine ignores your iTunes folder, yes you can change that but obviously they did not intend time machine for that. and over time, time machine will begin to delete old backups, with a very large library if things get corrupted you may not notice untill it is to late and there is no longer good backup available. the best thing you can do when buy music and movies is listen to all music and watch all movies/tv shows/music videos as soon as possible and make sure they are all good from start to finish then backup them up on a CD/DVD/blu-ray and put them in a safe place period. just wait... apple will eventually comes out with blu ray player in the mac (hence the Toast burner program has the blu ray option........) Apple Doesnt make Toast, Roxio does and they know that there is blu-ray burners out there that work with Mac wether Apple puts in the support or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Um NO. by default Time Machine ignores your iTunes folder, yes you can change that but obviously they did not intend time machine for that. Since when? Time Machine makes perfectly fine backups of my iTunes Library by default. Haven't changed any settings or removed things from the ignore list:/:/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhapimp Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 just wait... apple will eventually comes out with blu ray player in the mac (hence the Toast burner program has the blu ray option........) but by then Red ray would be getting popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalx Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 but by then Red ray would be getting popular you do know dvd uses red laser... right ? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhapimp Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 you do know dvd uses red laser... right ? ;) i was going to say green ray but i couldn't make it into three letters to make it seem similar to blu ray plus it's a ray not an laser ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Helix Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Since when? Time Machine makes perfectly fine backups of my iTunes Library by default. Haven't changed any settings or removed things from the ignore list. :/ ok maybe i wrong, every fresh clean install of OS X i have dealt with always had the Itunes folder in the ingore list, maybe i somehow did that. but what about the rest of what i said there, thats valid is it not? plus it's a ray not an laser ... LOL now exactly where did you get that info from? Blu-ray Disc (also known as Blu-ray or BD) is an optical disc storage medium to supersede the standard DVD format. Its main uses are for storing PlayStation 3 games, high-definition video and data storage with up to 50GB per disc. The disc has the same physical dimensions as standard DVDs and CDs.The name Blu-ray Disc derives from the blue-violet laser used to read the disc. While a standard DVD uses a 650 nanometre red laser, Blu-ray uses a shorter wavelength, a 405 nm blue-violet laser, and allows for almost six times more data storage than on a DVD. Source on Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted June 30, 2009 Veteran Share Posted June 30, 2009 As I said previously Mac's have the appropriate HDCP support. We know they have this as you can boot in to Windows once you have a Bluray player inside the computer and watch Bluray movies (which requires HDCP from the GPU to the Display)Again all we need is the Software from Apple in OS X. Also something interesting to note, Apples HD stuff they sell on iTunes has in the past utilised HDCP to create a secure connection between there Unibody notebooks and external Displays over Display Port and some users were unable to watch the HD content on a TV when using a VGA cable with it warning them about a lack of HDCP. Bluray licensing is really not that much. I have seen Laptops on store shelves here for ?300 that come with Bluray. Apple selling notebooks at ?2,200 could certainly fit Bluray in there if their profits of 60% on each unit are to be believed. That's what I meant... In OSX, not the hardware:):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhapimp Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 LOL now exactly where did you get that info from? i guess i forgot to put /sarcasm plus i was talking about the (fictional)Red ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 ok maybe i wrong, every fresh clean install of OS X i have dealt with always had the Itunes folder in the ingore list, maybe i somehow did that.but what about the rest of what i said there, thats valid is it not? If you add a folder to the ignore list once those preferences will be remembered even after a clean install, as long as you use the same backup folder. From what I remember at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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