James Rose Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I searched around but could only find one real list of WPF apps ( channel9.msdn.com/Wiki/WPF/ApplicationPortfolio/ ) Does anyone else know of a listing of apps that take advantage of Win7 (or Vista) abilities? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 You're probably not going to see any real adoption of WPF until the fundamental problems with it is fixed and the majority of people have powerful enough hardware that they can devote 10x the resources to just displaying a GUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Also see bDule, Blu, Sobees, Witty and various other WPF Twitter clients. My friend has made Sprink, a WPF based Youtube desktop application as well. Check it out at redmondpie.com Thirteen23.com make awesome applications based on WPF now and then. They are the ones who made Blu. You can read a few reviews of Blu on my blog. They've got Blu 2.0 coming out as well, which will be awesome from what one its developers has told me. They've also got a WPF based last.fm player coming shortly. The possibilities that WPF provides, specially with .NET 3.5 SP 1's performance, are amazing. The UIs can be excellent and I think Blu is one of the best examples of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 The possibilities that WPF provides, specially with .NET 3.5 SP 1's performance, are amazing. The UIs can be excellent and I think Blu is one of the best examples of that. Shame that you're still going to have to wait for .NET 4 next year to get WPF to render acceptable text, finally bringing it in sync with GDI from the 1980s. Hallelujah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmanx21 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Where is the traffic gadget that used to exist? Seems they have recently removed it...dammit! I loved that gadget! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 @hdood 'Real Adoption'? Just because you don't know about WPF apps being used a lot, that makes it unreal? What nonsense! Your previous comment which has nothing to do with this thread's topic makes it obvious you're way behind times. You might be unable to run WPF apps on your Pentium 2, but then WPF was never designed for that. It had major performance issues to begin with but not anymore. The text issue you've brought up hasn't stopped anyone from making WPF apps and there are way more than you can even imagine, since you're so anti-WPF. And .Net 4 will be released later this year, NOT next year. If anyone is able to run Vista or 7, any WPF app will run fine for him. And there ARE a lot of WPF apps out there. @OP there was also a WPF NetFlix app by Thirteen23. Although they've seemed to have taken it off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 @hdood'Real Adoption'? Just because you don't know about WPF apps being used a lot, that makes it unreal? What nonsense! Your previous comment which has nothing to do with this thread's topic makes it obvious you're way behind times. You might be unable to run WPF apps on your Pentium 2, but then WPF was never designed for that. It had major performance issues to begin with but not anymore. The text issue you've brought up hasn't stopped anyone from making WPF apps and there are way more than you can even imagine, since you're so anti-WPF. And .Net 4 will be released later this year, NOT next year. If anyone is able to run Vista or 7, any WPF app will run fine for him. And there ARE a lot of WPF apps out there. @OP there was also a WPF NetFlix app by Thirteen23. Although they've seemed to have taken it off now. WPF Netflix has been replaced with new name called "drama"... that's what I think. The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Rose Posted June 19, 2009 Author Share Posted June 19, 2009 Thanks for a those. I'm stil surprised how few apps take advantage of this technology. I understand that it takes a decent system (graphics etc) but we're going on years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Thanks for a those. I'm stil surprised how few apps take advantage of this technology. I understand that it takes a decent system (graphics etc) but we're going on years now. It all comes down to the high system requirements, a very high level of complexity, the fact that it's .NET-based while most software is native (the biggest issue), and that it has a defective text renderer that in a worst case ends up looking like this on a user's machine (a recognized problem which has forced Microsoft to re-engineer it for .NET 4 after they discovered that it was completely useless when they wanted to use it for all of Visual Studio): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_dandy_ Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Your original post makes it sound like you're under the impression that you think WPF is a Vista/7 thing only. WPF works just fine on XP as well. It's a .NET technology, not something that is exclusive to/relies on "Vista abilities" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code.kliu.org Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 It had major performance issues to begin with but not anymore. Obviously, you have not tried the VS 2010 beta and compared its abysmal UI responsiveness to that of VS 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Rose Posted June 19, 2009 Author Share Posted June 19, 2009 Your original post makes it sound like you're under the impression that you think WPF is a Vista/7 thing only.WPF works just fine on XP as well. It's a .NET technology, not something that is exclusive to/relies on "Vista abilities" Yea, I can see how it would seem like that. I understand that WPF can be web based as well. I'm simply looking for windows apps that take advantage of this technology. My undestanding however is that to take advantage of the GUI candy you have to be running Vista/Win7. Am I wrong about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Yea, I can see how it would seem like that. I understand that WPF can be web based as well. I'm simply looking for windows apps that take advantage of this technology. My undestanding however is that to take advantage of the GUI candy you have to be running Vista/Win7. Am I wrong about that? WPF is available for XP as well, but the problem is that it's not just a toolkit anyone can use. It is only available from managed (.NET) code, which means you have to rewrite your software in a language like C# (and take a performance hit of up to 20%) or at least refactor your software so that the user interface is written in a managed language and then calls into your old native code. It's a bit of a mess, and there is no native version of WPF and there are no native equivalents to it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacificAk Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Obviously, you have not tried the VS 2010 beta and compared its abysmal UI responsiveness to that of VS 2008.have you tried Blend 2... its UI is made using WPF... been using it for some time now... i would say that even if i tried i would be hardpressed to make Blend 2's UI 'lag'...so the reason for VS2010's UI un-responsiveness could be - 1) (i'm betting on this reason to be true) its a BETA (as they are moving it's UI from C++/WinForms to WPF) 2) its a BETA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Obviously, you have not tried the VS 2010 beta and compared its abysmal UI responsiveness to that of VS 2008. You're so mistaken. VS 2010 is a BETA. READ BETA. And watever makes it obvious to you that I haven't tried 2010 Beta is plain dumb. I've been using it ever since it was released on MSDN Premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code.kliu.org Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 You're so mistaken. VS 2010 is a BETA. READ BETA. Very well then, in several months time when VS10 no longer has the "beta" excuse to hide behind, we shall see just how much of that can be attributed to the "beta" label and how much to WPF... :p In the meantime, the performance loss from the move to .NET (VS6->7) was never recovered, even after all these years, and it's highly unlikely that they can make a transition to WPF without taking a similar performance hit--there is no magic that you can work to avoid the tradeoff that is inherent in a technology like WPF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Hussain Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Very well then, in several months time when VS10 no longer has the "beta" excuse to hide behind, we shall see just how much of that can be attributed to the "beta" label and how much to WPF... :pIn the meantime, the performance loss from the move to .NET (VS6->7) was never recovered, even after all these years, and it's highly unlikely that they can make a transition to WPF without taking a similar performance hit--there is no magic that you can work to avoid the tradeoff that is inherent in a technology like WPF. I've always used Visual Studio on a powerful machine so I have no idea about the VS 6 -> 7 performance difference. But if WPF has a big effect on that, then blame Microsoft :p So far VS 2010 Beta has been working fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_dandy_ Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Yea, I can see how it would seem like that. I understand that WPF can be web based as well. I'm simply looking for windows apps that take advantage of this technology. My undestanding however is that to take advantage of the GUI candy you have to be running Vista/Win7. Am I wrong about that? Yes. I haven't delved into WPF myself, but as far as I understand it, the exact same library objects/methods/properties/etc is available across all OSes, so there's nothing you can get via WPF on Vista/7 that you can't also get on XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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