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+M2Ys4U    97
I'm not. I'm trying to get you guys to see that, even if Neowin was taken over by one-armed, one-eyed, flying purple people eaters, SO WHAT? Any results of that that you can imagine could have happened under the staus quo also. There are some people in this thread acting as if their constitutional rights have been infringed by not knowing the whole story.

Yes, to their shareholders. Neowin's shareholders are all aware of the situation, thank you.

Your posting manner has been unhelpful. It's not just the staff that invest their time into making Neowin what it is. This site is worthless without its members. Whether that's important enough to warrant disclosure is obviously contested, but that's irrelevant to the manner in which you've posted in this thread.

Perhaps people would be persuaded by your viewpoint if you didn't talk down to them.

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+Audioboxer    2,876
I'm not. I'm trying to get you guys to see that, even if Neowin was taken over by one-armed, one-eyed, flying purple people eaters, SO WHAT? Any results of that that you can imagine could have happened under the staus quo also. There are some people in this thread acting as if their constitutional rights have been infringed by not knowing the whole story.

I sincerely hope you aren't running any "large" business with a "substantial" user base.

Neither am I, maybe one day, but I cannot understand your negligence to understanding how change affects a community. No, Neowin members aren't paying for any produce (aside from subscriptions) so those in charge can do whatever the heck they want, all we have is words/suggestions/feedback to pass on and the logout button if we don't like the final outcome. However I have a feeling whoever is running this site, shareholders, 3rd parties or whomever has respect for the members that give the site popularity/growth and staff opportunities to visit events/deal directly with MS/Apple or whoever. If this site had 50 members I'm sure you wouldn't see these great opportunities to have MS outreach staff (?) posting along side the members.

If Neowin was bought over I wouldn't be expecting the full story, contracts, financial information, but I'd sure as hell like to know what the plans/changes would be before staff were changed around/resigning and changes being implemented overnight.

Not that any of that is happening, at least we aren't told of anything like that, but I carry on hoping you'll understand things better from a members POV.

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Fred Derf    217

Just to clear the air, Neowin is not being bought and there won't be any substantive changes to the site. Some of the people who have resigned have returned (as has been noted already in this thread). The advantage of not airing out all of the details is that it leaves room for further negotiations towards solving grievances. Neowin will still be here and with some luck, we'll be better than ever. /cue motivational music

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Subject Delta    108
I'm not. I'm trying to get you guys to see that, even if Neowin was taken over by one-armed, one-eyed, flying purple people eaters, SO WHAT? Any results of that that you can imagine could have happened under the staus quo also. There are some people in this thread acting as if their constitutional rights have been infringed by not knowing the whole story.

Ok, take all the members away and tell me what their 'shareholders' would have left? Seriously though as a former staffer, you should really set an example, instead you are basically flaming anyone who wants a little knowledge and basically acting as if your answers are the be all and end all of the entire topic.

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Miuku.    364
/cue motivational music

If it's Celine Dion, I'll be sorely displeased.

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ToneKnee    326
Just to clear the air, Neowin is not being bought and there won't be any substantive changes to the site. Some of the people who have resigned have returned (as has been noted already in this thread). The advantage of not airing out all of the details is that it leaves room for further negotiations towards solving grievances. Neowin will still be here and with some luck, we'll be better than ever. /cue motivational music

The members just need some porn, show them a few clips and they'll forget about this thread. :p

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h3xis    1

Holy ****, you guise, this is like

SERIOUS ****ING BUSINESS.

I'm tearing my hair out over the severity of this situation related to a message board.

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Yusuf M.    1,362

Whoa, this is getting a little too intense. :ermm:

The staff at Neowin have done a good job in the past at informing the community about changes to, well... the staff. This time, members noticed the changes before an announcement was made and a thread was made before the official announcement. If you could take the time and wonder why they didn't say anything right away, you'd come to the conclusion that the time for an announcement wasn't right.

Now how about a dose of good ol' clarification. :)

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Fred Derf    217
If it's Celine Dion, I'll be sorely displeased.

Well, I am Canadian so that means...

that I hate Celine Dion more than any of you.

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AbandonedTrolley    93
The members just need some porn, show them a few clips and they'll forget about this thread. :p

Where's Rappy when you need him!

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tiagosilva29    952

All this mess was because of me.

Some moderators wanted to pardon my warnings and blocked profile. Others opposed.

Rappy was killed in the heat of the argument. Yay!

If it's Celine Dion, I'll be sorely displeased.

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Satchmo Bevins    0
Holy ****, you guise, this is like

SERIOUS ****ING BUSINESS.

I'm tearing my hair out over the severity of this situation related to a message board.

There, there.......hush now, it'll be ok.

Just go to your happy place. :|

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ATGC    40

epic.

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spenser.d    1,100
Holy ****, you guise, this is like

SERIOUS ****ING BUSINESS.

I'm tearing my hair out over the severity of this situation related to a message board.

Heh. +1

Seriously guys, I love neowin, it's probably my most visited website behind facebook, but this thread is ridiculous. So a staff shake-up occurred, big deal. That really doesn't affect your ability to post and have discussions with the other members on this board, which is why neowin is so great. If it were to have an adverse effect on that, well, the door is wide open.

At the end of the day, it's an internet forum. Some of you are acting like it's some sort of personal relationship that's going sour.

-Spenser

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+Gary7    7,380

It is none of my business or concern what the management of Neowin does with it's staff.

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+Audioboxer    2,876
Heh. +1

Seriously guys, I love neowin, it's probably my most visited website behind facebook, but this thread is ridiculous. So a staff shake-up occurred, big deal. That really doesn't affect your ability to post and have discussions with the other members on this board, which is why neowin is so great. If it were to have an adverse effect on that, well, the door is wide open.

At the end of the day, it's an internet forum. Some of you are acting like it's some sort of personal relationship that's going sour.

-Spenser

Excuse us for caring about a site we've spent countless hours on and made some good friends (especially us gamers who interact with members on here outside of Neowin).

It's not about wanting to leave or not leave (at least for me), I have no intentions of leaving unless the GH gets axed (not a hint for you mods :p ).

I already quite clearly said it's a bit of a shock when many long time staff members you know well resign. And in my situation I've seen the mod who's pretty much spearheaded the GH for the past few years along with the other active gaming staff, DirtyLarry, resign, and also Munky who just made the news staff (that's not of a disservice to all the other GH staff, you know what I mean, DL has had to trench through a lot in that place!). Those guys love their games, love this site and the GH community (most days ;) ) and were from my POV super pumped about doing the gaming podcast and having a good time with the new gaming news focus. Although I'm led to somewhat believe Neowin is axing the gaming news staff focus now...

I think some of you who come in to say "shutup" do it to the wrong members sometimes... and that is incredibly annoying when you just want to work on some communication and understanding with staff. Stop painting some of us up to be idiots, when we're not. I have no intentions to leave, I love this site, all I've done in here is try to get some better communication that the staff have already admitted wasn't laid out well at first. Anything over that and I and others will tell you ask the people who've resigned themselves, the staff forum isn't ever going to be open for public dissection, that is not sensible.

We have our answer now thanks to the uppers, and it's a suitable answer, but understand how we got to that answer - By asking for better communication. Will that make future issues be handled better? Probably, and that's of a credit to the board.

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spenser.d    1,100
Excuse us for caring about a site we've spent countless hours on and made some good friends (especially us gamers who interact with members on here outside of Neowin).

It's not about wanting to leave or not leave (at least for me), I have no intentions of leaving unless the GH gets axed (not a hint for you mods :p).

I already quite clearly said it's a bit of a shock when many long time staff members you know well resign. And in my situation I've seen the mod who's pretty much spearheaded the GH for the past few years along with the other active gaming staff, DirtyLarry, resign, and also Munky who just made the news staff (that's not of a disservice to all the other GH staff, you know what I mean, DL has had to trench through a lot in that place!). Those guys love their games, love this site and the GH community (most days ;)) and were from my POV super pumped about doing the gaming podcast and having a good time with the new gaming news focus. Although I'm led to somewhat believe Neowin is axing the gaming news staff focus now...

I think some of you who come in to say "shutup" do it to the wrong members sometimes... and that is incredibly annoying when you just want to work on some communication and understanding with staff. Stop painting some of us up to be idiots, when we're not. I have no intensions to leave, I love this site, all I've done in here is try to get some better communication that the staff have already admitted wasn't layed out well at first. Anything over that and I and others will tell you ask the people who've resigned themselves, the staff forum isn't ever going to be open for public dissection, that is not sensible.

Please re-read my post. I'm not telling you to shut-up, nor am I telling you to leave. I said if there were adverse effects on how we interact in the forum, then we can choose to leave. What I'm trying to get at is that this staff shake-up really does not affect us members in any way as far as posting and interacting on the forums, so I'm not sure why some of you are demanding explanations and such from the staff. Yeah, it's nice to be informed, sure, but it's not really necessary in this case. I care about the site too and I think the staff is great, but what happens between them isn't always our business.

-Spenser

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+Gary7    7,380
Please re-read my post. I'm not telling you to shut-up, nor am I telling you to leave. I said if there were adverse effects on how we interact in the forum, then we can choose to leave. What I'm trying to get at is that this staff shake-up really does not affect us members in any way as far as posting and interacting on the forums, so I'm not sure why some of you are demanding explanations and such from the staff. Yeah, it's nice to be informed, sure, but it's not really necessary in this case. I care about the site too and I think the staff is great, but what happens between them isn't always our business.

-Spenser

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+Audioboxer    2,876
Please re-read my post. I'm not telling you to shut-up, nor am I telling you to leave. I said if there were adverse effects on how we interact in the forum, then we can choose to leave. What I'm trying to get at is that this staff shake-up really does not affect us members in any way as far as posting and interacting on the forums, so I'm not sure why some of you are demanding explanations and such from the staff. Yeah, it's nice to be informed, sure, but it's not really necessary in this case. I care about the site too and I think the staff is great, but what happens between them isn't always our business.

-Spenser

I think most of the explanations were requested before we knew the cause of the staff shake up. Which was only explained by Tom when he said it was internal issues between staff members. There's quite a lot of reasons that could cause staff to resign, that's what people were unsure of/worried about.

I wouldn't say we were demanding anything, that's a bit unfair and again portrays us coming from an angle of ill intent (which is what riles many of us up when we have people pointing the finger and saying shutup - which I know you're not), aside from a few hot heads most of us were just asking for better communication and we got that in the end from talking to staff (Y)

But yeah I misunderstood some of your post.

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spenser.d    1,100

It's all good. It just seems this thread is way longer and more ridiculous than it really needs to be :p

-Spenser

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Joel    27
I think most of the explanations were requested before we knew the cause of the staff shake up.

So why does the cause matter? Everything stifler said is true.

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+Audioboxer    2,876
So why does the cause matter? Everything stifler said is true.

I've already said when moderators/admins offer good sensible communication it makes things run more efficiently, members don't panic as much and there isn't lots of baseless speculation. Or even more importantly if anything was to leak out members are going to be more understanding if they heard an honest overview beforehand of what the staff were dealing with than be told absolutely nothing to be faced head on with whatever private issue has gone public. The staff are an integral part of the forum, they're one of the most important outlets we have to communicate with the uppers and improve Neowin - Which is why members get more interested in issues surrounding staff than we would some of the other business decisions behind the scenes we would never have to hear about or know are going on.

You seem more hung up on "the cause" than most of us. The minute most of us got better communication from Tom W we were happy, yet you're still apparently telling people they shouldn't be in anyway getting "involved".

I have no idea why you're so defensive over this Joel, my condolences if you're frustrated/annoyed or whatever over what's gone on, but us members, most of us, don't mean any harm nor are we purposely seeking all the private matters that you may or may not have been involved in internally.

So please back down a little, it's becoming pretty disrespectful at times, none of the admins or mods are acting like you have, in fact they've been open enough to let this topic probably continue longer than it has had to, and did finally give us a clearer answer.

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ccuk    48
So why does the cause matter? Everything stifler said is true.

It matters because members are asking. This is a forum, not a multi million dollar corporate website with trade secrets. Reading this thread has been quite illuminating.

If anything is taken away from this debacle, I think that it's quite apparent that the staffing on this forum needs addressing top to bottom. Some kind of unification and coherency would be beneficial, because very few sing off the same hymn sheet resulting in confusion and upset members.

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+Frank B.    7,151

Joel: Your condescending tone towards members is/was quite frankly uncalled for. While I understand the point you're trying to make, there is no reason for you to talk down to members like you have in this thread.

As a former supervisor you ought to know better.

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Vice    1,593
It matters because members are asking. This is a forum, not a multi million dollar corporate website with trade secrets. Reading this thread has been quite illuminating.

If anything is taken away from this debacle, I think that it's quite apparent that the staffing on this forum needs addressing top to bottom. Some kind of unification and coherency would be beneficial, because very few sing off the same hymn sheet resulting in confusion and upset members.

Joel: Your condescending tone towards members is/was quite frankly uncalled for. While I understand the point you're trying to make, there is no reason for you to talk down to members like you have in this thread.

As a former supervisor you ought to know better.

+1 I agree with both Posters.

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