Rob2687 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 a mention about the few number of old ppl (councellors) in Zion was made.. i am wondering the total count - could it be 23? i do know i saw more female councellors than males ;) (16:7) a thought :) yea..i noticed that there were more female councellors there..if the numbers do match up i, i wouldnt be surprised cause the previous "One" had to make the same choice Neo almost had to make in choosing 23 people to repopulate zion. although there are a heck of alotta ppl in zion..i doubt all those people in zion could be a result of the 23 councellors..thats alot of :hump: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2687 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Oh by the way....When Neo, Morpheous and Trinity first go and meet Merovingian and Persephone.? The camera follows a women that is being led away from the table.? Neo notices and tries to look. Anyone know who she is?? Her purpose?? Blah, blah... Might be important for the next movie... I'll explain. Merovingian wrote a program which is a cake that woman eats. After the first bite she starts to feel something. You can see her getting hot. Then everything is shown in the code. Later you see an explosion inside her body - an orgasm. Nice program! LOL! Thats the whole purpose of it. To show how strong Merovingian is that he can write programs and manipulate (or make fun:Df :D) people. Anyway, I think that chick really liked it. Although, the two dudes beside her didn't seem to understand anyth:Dg :D That mystery woman is also the reason why Persephone helps Neo. Remember when Merovingian enters the castle with his goons and Persephone says something about him still having lipstick on him? He then wipes his mouth with his hand. It was lower down if you know what I mean :laugh:ugh: And when she kills the 1 of the 2 guys sitting there watching TV with the silver bullet and crap..she tells the 2nd guy, he can find Merovingian in the ladies room..IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackol Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 a mention about the few number of old ppl (councellors) in Zion was made.. i am wondering the total count - could it be 23? i do know i saw more female councellors than males ;) (16:7) a thought :) yea..i noticed that there were more female councellors there..if the numbers do match up i, i wouldnt be surprised cause the previous "One" had to make the same choice Neo almost had to make in choosing 23 people to repopulate zion. although there are a heck of alotta ppl in zion..i doubt all those people in zion could be a result of the 23 councellors..thats alot of :hump: the rest of population did not necessarily come from the councellors.. they could have freed ppl from the matrix remember, morpheus telling lock that in the past 6 months we have freed more ppl than in the last 6 years ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I've been reading through all the posts here and here's my take, someone tell me if I'm right or not. It's a matrix within a matrix. The Architect tried numerous times to make a matrix correctly, the first time it was two perfect and the second time it was also lacking something. So he created it a third time with a flaw built in and made it so he could assimilate information from this flaw, Neo. Once he gets the info from Neo, Neo choose the next 7 people to start Xion in the inner matrix and everything start over again. This has happen 6 other times. So what happens now, does it just start all over again? Was there something different about this version of Neo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2687 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 yea...Neo can feeel the love or something so hes different err..yah... So he chooses not to reset the matrix and begin again with 23 ppl to repopulate..instead he dooms mankind by taking the other door. He goes through the door back into the Matrix to save Trinity but now Zion will be destroyed and the Matrix along with it killing off every human being....wait no...now im confuzzling myself.. if Zion gets destroyed cause Neo went through the Left door..then theres no more human resistance...so whats so bad about that for the machines? i think i am missing somethign again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 So love is what makes him different? Where in the movie did they hint this? What makes people sure the others before him didn't have love? So he choice the door that destroys EVERYTHING. All mankind now will die, correct? That is what the architect said, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2687 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 (edited) anyone notice the oracle down the "Red Pill" and say "I love candy" makes me wonder yea..i noticed it was red and when i looked at it, it was a pill shaped 'candy'.. maybe shes taking it so as a way to force her program to stay in the matrix or something The machines should just get a sentinel to run down to the basement and flip the switch on the fuse box and do a cold boot, reset the matrix and begin again...every couple thousand years in the Matrix..repeat step 1.. its that simple ;) Edited May 18, 2003 by Rob2687 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaudt Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 anyone notice the oracle down the "Red Pill" and say "I love candy" makes me wonder :&: I like candy :&: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Tom Servo - Neo's not a machine ... ? He's very much human ... the fact that his powers are due to an anomaly in the code doesn't mean that he is not human in the first place, and thus can bleed etc. I replied with that bleeding thing to someone that suggested he'd be a machine. It still don't like the idea that he could control the matrix from the real world without hookup, I wouldn't like a telepathic or telekinetic touch to that story because this would ridicule the stuff. I'm more hoping that the left door is an illusion created by the architect, and that he never left the matrix thru that door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaudt Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Tom Servo - Neo's not a machine ... ? He's very much human ... the fact that his powers are due to an anomaly in the code doesn't mean that he is not human in the first place, and thus can bleed etc. I replied with that bleeding thing to someone that suggested he'd be a machine. It still don't like the idea that he could control the matrix from the real world without hookup, I wouldn't like a telepathic or telekinetic touch to that story because this would ridicule the stuff. I'm more hoping that the left door is an illusion created by the architect, and that he never left the matrix thru that door. He never did leave the Matrix through that door - he returned to it to save Trinity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdiaz2day Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I dunno when I am gonna see this, but, I hope I see it soon... :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 He saved Trinity, then they stand in the ship discussing about the situation, then it gets blown up by squiddies etc blah. I mean that part. I'm expecting a somewhat weird story in revolutions, because I didnt like how he could see the future at the beginning and how he stopped the machines. He might have never left the matrix by the left door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaudt Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Well - in the bit with the sentinels he's back in the "real world", and he says "I understand" before he takes down the sentinels, and that's a reference to him understanding that he's different from the other five Neos, i.e. as the Oracle said (when she says "you made a believer out of me") and as is demonstrated when he chooses the left door whereas the other Neos chose the right door. I think the ship blowing up was set for two reasons, firstly for Neo to understand persay, and secondly when the ship blows up it's the first time we see Morpheus doubt the prophecy. It's an interesting last scene nevertheless, I wonder how it will be used in Revolutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kola Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 To whoever mentioned the fact that that Oracle helper dude was coded yellow, whilst everything else is green, so we presume all coded programs, like the Oracle and the Architect are yellow aswell. Perhaps this is like "read only" code that can't be changed by Neo, as we see he can change everything else. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Bah I just want to know why the machines went kaput at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaudt Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 To whoever mentioned the fact that that Oracle helper dude was coded yellow, whilst everything else is green, so we presume all coded programs, like the Oracle and the Architect are yellow aswell. Perhaps this is like "read only" code that can't be changed by Neo, as we see he can change everything else.Just a thought. I really like that idea and it makes a lot of sense! Thanks Kola ... especially since in the first movie Morpheus explains that in the beggining, a man was born inside the matrix who could change everything as he saw fit, and as the Oracle and Seraph, and the Architect don't appear to be part of the Matrix as they are machines I like that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xp1ode Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 well i just saw it again last nite and i must say i cant get enoff of it, seen it twice and still have some confusing parts, some parts becuase i know little about mithology and some of the other stuff the directors said, and second becuase alot of the thoughts flying around are very interesting and all kinda make sense. on another note i think that the movie was great, the highway scene is one of the best, and the part at the end when neo saves trinity from falling that was hot too. PS, one more thing someone had mentioned earlier that when agent smith gets into that guys body, and that guy is the only one found in the wreckege of Zion, someone said that the machines didnt kill him becuase they had reason. i dont agree with that i think his the one that started to destroy ships before the machines even got there, like that guy told morpheus almost at the end when neo is in a coma, he tells him that when the machines broke threw it was a slaughter becuase someone/something happened and 5 ships were destroyed before the sentinels got there. so my point is that, that guy thats in a coma at the end was the one that destroyed the ships and maybe tried hiding but could get away from the blasts and thats why he's in a coma... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h71y6 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Oh by the way....When Neo, Morpheous and Trinity first go and meet Merovingian and Persephone.? The camera follows a women that is being led away from the table.? Neo notices and tries to look. Anyone know who she is?? Her purpose?? Blah, blah... Might be important for the next movie... I'll explain. Merovingian wrote a program which is a cake that woman eats. After the first bite she starts to feel something. You can see her getting hot. Then everything is shown in the code. Later you see an explosion inside her body - an orgasm. Nice program! LOL! Thats the whole purpose of it. To show how strong Merovingian is that he can write programs and manipulate (or make fun:Df :D) people. Anyway, I think that chick really liked it. Although, the two dudes beside her didn't seem to understand anyth:Dg :D Nay. I think tronmaster meant to ask about a lady that were being "led" away from the table at a far corner. Not the lady who ate the cake. It was way before that and was when neo/trinity/morpheus sat on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrope Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 My Theory The traitor (assassin) guy is Agent Smith. I think that was him on the table at the very end. That means he is trying to kill Neo in the real world and in the Matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoCahill Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 It's a thread like this makes you understand why the movie is so great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 So love is what makes him different? Where in the movie did they hint this? What makes people sure the others before him didn't have love?So he choice the door that destroys EVERYTHING. All mankind now will die, correct? That is what the architect said, right? Can anyone answer my questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tronmaster Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Sure OPaul.... Not just love it is specific love. All the other previous One's had a general love for humanity. Thus they all chose to save humanity and RELOADED Zion with 23 people. This time Neo #6 has a specific love......Trinity. By choosing the left door, he is being somewhat selfish since the Architect indicates that humanity and Zion will be destroyed since they have a back-up that no longer requires the humans if necessary. But as the Architect says when Neo is about to leave....Neo has hope. Hope that he can save not only Trinity but Zion and all humanity. And to a degree Neo does....since the Architect said Neo couldn't save Trinity (but he did). And now in the real world because of Agent Smith he has the power to stop sentinels. A reload will never happen. This is all new territory a Revolution will happen in the next movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I seriously can not here the part where neo says "I Understand" when hes at the sentials all i hear him say is, "Wait, I can feel them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowBiz Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Please tell me !!! How spider machine stop working??? Ship shoot it???? Neo has power to stop it??? Smith stop it???? or Matrix on Matrix???? :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tronmaster Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Well the Wachoski Brothers indicating that there will not be a Matrix within a Matrix....a big cop-out if they did that. What I believe happen....is that the Architect is not lying there had been 5 Neo's before. All chose the right door thus saving humanity. Zion's population is destroyed BUT the machine portion stays. With Neo and the councelor talk I believe that the machines built the city of Zion not the humans. 23 people are allowed to escape from The Matrix and go to Zion....and everything starts again.... Since basically Neo was born within the Matrix, I believe he is part-machine, same goes for Trinity, Morpheous (basically anyone who was freed from the Matrix). He got infected by Agent Smith right before the big fight. When Neo goes back to the real world he has the ability to stop the sentinels by the method as the ships do with the EMP(?). But it took so much of his electrical power that now he is in a coma. Maybe....in Resolutions....Neo becomes more machine, they are hints that "Neo is a machine". The first Matrix, Morpheous ask Tank how he is doing and Tank says 10 hours straight...he is a machine." Throughtout Reloaded. The councelor indicates "good your still human" when Neo says he can't sleep. The Architect indicates that he is still human also... While Agent Smith becomes more human? I think at the end of Resolution we will see some sort of harmony between human and machine.....or if you go to C.H.U.D. website. There is a very radical idea with regard to higher mathmatics and how this is put in with the Reloaded storyline. If you guys can't find it...I can copy and paste and give credit to who it belongs too. Oh yea. I wasn't asking about the women with the orgasim. I was asking about the women they were leading away right when Neo, Morpheous and Trinity walk in....since it was a specific camera shot plus the showed Neo trying to look at her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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